WTF is up with the recent censorship here at WF?

[eliquid]

^^ you forget to mention my review whoring were all honest reviews. Id like for you to find 2 that were not honest.

Just because I can jump into a thread before others and claim it and then write them as well, doesnt mean a would/could provide a bad service myself. At times I was contacted to do the review even before the BST was posted because I knew the seller or the seller hunted me down to do a review for them since I had also bought so many BST's. Also, there have been plenty of times I was not the reviewer, paid for the service, and was burned b/c there was no reviews.

Care to dig your hole a littler deeper Erect?

Also "I'm happy to answer any questions you may have but please do not turn this into a drama fest". hmm, all you wanted to do was keep me from exposing what you did and who the seller was ( nice try at damage control ), yeah like that is going to happen. I have no initial beef with the seller, but when you decided to jump in and censor the board for something that was not needed, then yeah I had beef with it.

Your going through a lot of trouble to protect this one person, why haven't you showed this much consideration for other sellers publicly?

"but I'll try. It helps SBT remain civil when we don't let sellers rag on each other. I saw the problem and did what I could to fix it before it got out of control (enter eliquid)" - hmm, all I did was enter the new post and ask "WTF - isnt this [removed]'s service?". This is a valid question since seller had 1 post, 0 itrades, and was the exact same service as someone else on this board. I think I have every right to ask WTF is going on before I buy a service.

You decide to then PM me and do some damage control to where I then posted in here. Take your lumps man.

 

[eliquid]

couldnt add to the above, so Ill add it here:

Also, I have reviewed many services on Wickedfire over the years. Gave my honest review of them, then opened my own service here as well that would have overlapped with some of the negative reviews I gave and never once had an issue on my sellers thread. I've caused some drama as well on this board before and never once did it bite me on my ass in my sellers thread. Also I never had to ask a mod to change my SN on my 3 BST threads either.

I took it like it was, expected to handle any situation that came up myself, and didnt need a mod to protect my service. Any guess what, I havent had a negative review from ANYONE in any of my 3 BST's. I for sure wouldn't ask for a clean slate from my bad Karma on this board just to sell my service though. people want to know who they buy from and want to know what kind of person they are sometimes. Giving users new SN to sell their services so their bad Karma doesnt effect them is just plain censorship.

 

[erect]

^^ you forget to mention my review whoring were all honest reviews. Id like for you to find 2 that were not honest.

... you gave an honest review on?

Nope, looks like I covered that

But you forgot to address my point and only try to spin it. If you ripped apart a different seller when you were a buyer, you got lucky because I can't see everything. This I saw and stopped it

Also "I'm happy to answer any questions you may have but please do not turn this into a drama fest". hmm, all you wanted to do was keep me from exposing what you did and who the seller was ...

Or ...you could have taken me at face value that I don't like drama and was trying to explain things to everyone in an open environment.

Everything isn't a conspiracy

Your going through a lot of trouble to protect this one person, why haven't you showed this much consideration for other sellers publicly?

You've been my only trouble, and it wouldn't be trouble if you had any intentions other than stirring the pot.

I've done what I can to keep the place clean for a while. You guys (and other moderators) have always had complete faith that I'm going to do the right thing. You yourself said that you've never had issues with me ... so why not man up and talk to the people you have problems rather running to cry wolf?

And hey, if you're truly not interested in drama ... you know where to send the reply

 

[nanexo]

Go BHW style and let people pay for stickies and banners here I would like one if ever being offered yet I know this wont be coming anytime soon.

That said this shit is shit none of you who complain are innocent of taking any advantage and I def. dont mean Eliquid alone. Erect your hiding a name but any moron could guess who your talking about especially since Elliquid quoted your line of the thread ( might be a good idea to edit it? ) Not that I care if its outted

Drama-douken!

+rep!

 

[eliquid]

Nope, looks like I covered that

But you forgot to address my point and only try to spin it.



Or ...you could have taken me at face value that I don't like drama and was trying to explain things to everyone in an open environment.

Everything isn't a conspiracy



You've been my only trouble, and it wouldn't be trouble if you had any intentions other than stirring the pot.

I've done what I can to keep the place clean for a while. You guys (and other moderators) have always had complete faith that I'm going to do the right thing. You yourself said that you've never had issues with me ... so why not man up and talk to the people you have problems rather running to cry wolf?

And hey, if you're truly not interested in drama ... you know where to send the reply

You don't like drama? then why the fuck are you a mod at WF and let drama happen every day here? Seriously? There is no limit to the "popcorn" post that sprout up every day here.

I don't see any open environment here when your hiding peoples names, preventing them from being spoke, changing their threads, and changing their screen names. AMIRIGHT?

Hey, you opened this can of worms. You went in and censored the board, you then jumped into this thread when I left it completely vague and generic with no names or footprints to you or the seller. You think its "more man" for me to PM you directly about this then talk about it on the board so no one here knows of the issue at hand and whats going on when they buy services from the seller in question? SERIOUSLY?

 

[erect]

Erect your hiding a name but any moron could guess who your talking about especially since Elliquid quoted your line of the thread ( might be a good idea to edit it? ) Not that I care if its outted

Yep, and now you see why I tried to address everyone directly. Me editing would just make the tears fall faster

That someone gave a bad review IS NOT harmful to the WF community ... it's very helpful. If that same person found what they consider to be flaws and reinvented the service to something that they think WF users would like ... that sounds like good business to me.

Free Market ++

enter eliquid to piss in everyone's cornflakes

 

[eliquid]

I agree with what you said above ^^. However if it is as simple as that, why the need to censor everything? things that make you go hmmm..

Why you so "proactive" all of the sudden with this 1 member. Everything else at WF is reactive, why not censor and edit once the so called prevailing threadshitting came to their BST? 10-12 post in, no one was negative and no one was threadshitting so I dont see the need for censorship.

Erect, you know you did wrong and you manned up enough to come in here and expose yourself within the first few post. You have my respect on that at least.

 

[erect]

Why you so "proactive" all of the sudden with this 1 member.

because I was the one who shut down his business enforcing the rules

Everything else at WF is reactive, why not censor and edit once the so called prevailing threadshitting came to their BST?

perhaps I'll react that way next time

10-12 post in, no one was negative and no one was threadshitting so I dont see the need for censorship.

You obviously don't understand what I'm talking about since the threadshitting wasn't on that thread, a simple PM would have explained everything.

Erect, you know you did wrong and you manned up enough to come in here and expose yourself within the first few post. You have my respect on that at least.

There's no wrong, it's a difference in opinion. You think I'm crooked and I'm trying to make order of the sbt chaos. I get you think you're baby jesus riding in trying to save all the members ... and if there was real corruption, you might be. If this were the case, contacting the moderators directly would have been the appropriate path. If you don't trust the mods/admins ... you should question why you spend your time here.

My actions weren't for protection, rather one to facilitate commerce for everyone. Trust me when I say there are 1000's of other ways I'd rather have spent that time.

At this piont, can you please write everything else you have to bring up in your next post so I can clear up any confusion. I don't have unlimited time to defend my position so lets wrap it up.

 

[guerilla]

Look at all the people not making money. Good job folks.

 

[eliquid]

There's no wrong, it's a difference in opinion. You think I'm crooked and I'm trying to make order of the sbt chaos. I get you think you're baby jesus riding in trying to save all the members ... and if there was real corruption, you might be.

My actions weren't for protection, rather one to facilitate commerce for everyone. Trust me when I say there are 1000's of other ways I'd rather have spent that time.

At this piont, can you please write everything else you have to bring up in your next post so I can clear up any confusion. I don't have unlimited time to defend my position so lets wrap it up.

And see, thats where your SOOOO fucking wrong but instead decided to abuse your powers as mod then actually think about the situation.

Like I said above, when I came into the thread the next day ( after you deleted everything even though there was no negative posts and changed his screen name and then vouched for him ) and wanted to PURCHASE their product and seen all post were deleted, all reviews were gone, the seller was now someone with 1 post and 0 itrades and was a different name, I posted:

"WTF isnt this [removed]'s service."

What part of the above would not confuse the fuck out of a buyer? Then to have you vouch for the guy of all things. Why wouldnt I think this was someone trying to resell or copy a service with no explanation of WTF happened. All I seen was a copied service ( at that time ) and a mod vouching for them... thats it.

From that point, you decided to AGAIN censor that thread when I asked what was going on in the thread, you then PM me, and ASSUME I was trying to cause problems BEFORE I even started this thread here.

You are the one that got it wrong. As someone about to purchase said product and even mentioned in the orig. thread I was going to after some reviews, WTF would I want to stir the pot on the provider? HMM?

Then when I go to buy and find a similar thread by some newbie forum member selling the same exact service and a mod is only saying "trust us on this", where did I lose my right to say WTF is this shit as a buyer about to drop $280?

So when I spoke my mind to find out by posting "WTF isnt this [removed]'s service" and you then DELETE that posting and PM me directly like I am trying to stir the pot, maybe your ass needs to think, gee this might confuse the fuck out of buyers and they want to verify this is the same orig seller and not some Fivvr wannabe joke copying and pasted service like 10 people a day do on Wickedfire already. Your vouch post by itself doesnt explain much really other then they are a respected member and you vouch for them ( even though they shit in peoples BST threads ).

I think you can see where I would lose some credibility in your words after that PM. I think you have done a fine job moderating the boards up to this 1 incident, but thats my thoughts alone.

Stop taking it personal dude. I don't think your crooked, but when you start censoring shit and then PMing people thinking they are trying to start problems when all they did was want to find out more and you have an attitude with them, then expect shit like this to happen. Just b/c someone wants to know whats going on and post that, doesnt mean they are after the seller in some negative way, especially when they are about to buy the product. The wrong thing to do is PM them with that attitude though.

 

[erect]

are you finished?

 

[eliquid]

are you finished censoring the board?

 

[eliquid]

I got my vent out...

Not going to update this thread anymore and I have too much to do also.

Erect, take it as you want, but truly I had no issues with you. Just next time dont assume someone is trying to do something negative when you do something like that again with a BST thread. A lot of us just want to know who we are dealing with and have been had seen the multiple copy and post sellers before. There was no way for me or anyone else to have known better before your PM anyways.

 

[Instrumentalist]

I'm going to have to go with liquid on this one. If there's a seller on BST, I would like to know as much as I can about the person I'm buying from. If they spent time on this board previous to selling a service, and especially if they were a thread-shitter, I would at least like to have the capacity to know about it. Isn't that what free market is about? If you fuck up, well then man up and deal with the consequences.

It's really not a matter of stopping a guy from making money, but rather it's whether or not this guy should be allowed to make money on WF.

 

[omgyams]

When I choose who to buy from, both itrader and post history become part of the basis for my decision. The thought of sellers being able to "erase" their history with the help of the forum mods/admins makes me nervous as shit.

 

[erect]

Like I said above, when I came into the thread the next day ( after you deleted everything even though there was no negative posts and changed his screen name and then vouched for him ) and wanted to PURCHASE their product and seen all post were deleted, all reviews were gone, the seller was now someone with 1 post and 0 itrades and was a different name, I posted:

What part of the above would not confuse the fuck out of a buyer?

From your perspective, I can see confusion ... which is why I PMd. And replying to the PM, like d3t0x did, would have answered all of your questions.

Furthermore, I requested the seller grab the users who had posted in the old thread to clear up confusion.

From the potentially 1000's of other potential buyers, your reply was confusing which is why it got removed and a PM sent. That's the perspective i was looking out for. Other WFers who had not replied to the original thread at all ... so like 99.99999999% of the world.

Then to have you vouch for the guy of all things. Why wouldnt I think this was someone trying to resell or copy a service with no explanation of WTF happened. All I seen was a copied service ( at that time ) and a mod vouching for them... thats it.

I clearly stated that I had not tried the service and posted the old user's itrader and post count because it's impossible to sell as a brand new user, as you're pointing out, because of the fivver and copycatters. I did thank him in the thread for doing his part and staying within our rules.

I'm not sure how my post would cause confusion, I was pretty clear. Curiosity maybe, but not conspiracy. I'm open to editing that if another mod feels my post stepped over any lines.

From that point, you decided to AGAIN censor that thread when I asked what was going on in the thread, you then PM me, and ASSUME I was trying to cause problems BEFORE I even started this thread here.

Actually, I assumed nothing. Was just stating facts, there was no ill will in the PM and I expected there to be short term confusion. I just wanted to make it clear to you what was going on. I included in the PM that you were correct and what the issue was.

Deleting "wasn't this xxxxxxx's service" was done to clear up confusion to future buyers and your questions were directly answered with an open invitation to get more info.

The original thread was deleted (not censored) after the seller decided to create a new account instead of not doing business here at all.

You disagree with how I handled it because you're in favor of letting every post stay exactly as it is, I get that.

On a side note: I appreciate the seller staying out of this thread. At least some of the integrity from my decision is still in tact. Although footprints have been shared with everyone.

You are the one that got it wrong. As someone about to purchase said product and even mentioned in the orig. thread I was going to after some reviews, WTF would I want to stir the pot on the provider? HMM?

Drama for the provider, nah. It's the wf mob drama I'm accusing you of because you came directly to post here instead of PMing ANY of the people involved.

And not to sound prophetic ... but can I call 'em or what?

Just b/c someone wants to know whats going on and post that

Yep, no problems here unless you were already given an avenue to get answers and just decided you'd rather hang the laundry publicly. That's drama and why i see pink and yellow when I think of you, not the questions you're asking.

Questions and answers were never my problem.

Feel free to PM me directly if you have any followup questions.

 

[DontStopWinning]

Hello to All.

I mean, I've been suspended/banned like 6 times on here.

I originally started and was doing legit business under the name "RrAiNeY" i think. A friend who's been a user here for years reccomded I try it.

After racking up several (10+ iTrader) business clients and getting positive feedback my account was banned for no reason. I didn't even make posts outside of business and I didn't do unneccesary bumping. I only responded to clients.

There was a post in this forum about "lets ban people we dont like" type stuff.... I assume I was banned because I was not part of this forums 'in-crowd' though I brought legitimate business to this forum.

Then after banned, i came back as "cBusiness". Again, i racked up reputable feedback and did good business, then I was banned again... NO REASON.

Registered again as "LikeLazarus" (humor for those illegitimate mods/admins here) and did the same thing. All good business feedback , quality services offered, and still I got banned.

The next accoutn I registered, I tried to flood the forum with a message about this so possibly an admin or somebody reasonable would read my messsages OR other REAL BUSINESS SAVVY members would agree there was an issue of unfair bans going on. Perhaps we are being banned because there's favortism in business OR some of your moderators dont want competition in a field they are selling?

Either way, i started putting more focus on other forums because of that and in talking to some of your veteran posters (not these guys who only been here 1 year), they agreed Your forum sucks now because of the mods/admins moreso than just the people posting so many things.

Either way. As you can see, i have a masked IP and you guys can't stop me from posting but honestly, it's BS.

I did not do anything to cause a ban and only averaged like 2 posts a day at my peak (so i wasn't overposting).

Your mods/admins need to be changed and that is just a fact.

Zingo or whatever his name is, banned me for no reason. And it was almost as if, the 'wolf pack' of your admins/mods hated me after that. Eventhough they had no REAL REASON to why I was previously banned.

I never had 1 negative feedback.
I never posted anything negative commentary wise until I kept getting attacked.

That's not good business ethic. That's not good for the growth of any biz forum with legitimate business people .

You have 1,000 LEGITIMATE BUSINESS PEOPLE who are only going to log on this forum and speak by PM.

You have 300-400 on here who will post and rant childlishly all day and some of those are now admins/mods.

Your forum is becoming the joke of the affiliate world slowly but surley. Think I'm lying, just make some posts in the membership only forums.

The only reason peopel pay to go in the members-only affiliate forums is because WickedFire has become such a poor place to communicate and find quality business associates that dont behave like a bunch of bad-mouthing internet junkies.

PS: Please dont delete and ban me. I have a screen shot at this point since 'proof' is requested by Jon.

 

[erect]

If they spent time on this board previous to selling a service, and especially if they were a thread-shitter, I would at least like to have the capacity to know about it. Isn't that what free market is about? If you fuck up, well then man up and deal with the consequences.

It's really not a matter of stopping a guy from making money, but rather it's whether or not this guy should be allowed to make money on WF.

Agreed 100%

But ... they weren't a seller at the time and the thread shitting was just a bad review when they were a buyer of someone's competing service months ago.

Very few on the board would have ever noticed or remembered ... but if someone did, then I'd be guilty of not backing up what I consider to be the most important rule at wickedfire to keep the peace in SBT

Rock << me >> Hard Place

But I was only stuck there because I remembered it. I could have easily ignored it but I didn't.

So I told him no, he couldn't sell that here because prior posts would have made them guilty of threadshitting. And the rest is, as the story goes, is history.

It's really not a matter of stopping a guy from making money, but rather it's whether or not this guy should be allowed to make money on WF.

That's the judgement I made, this person has not caused any problems other than the blowback from that review to the best of my knowledge. He is selling a different enough product that I considered it not ripping off the other one. Also, there were months between between the incident and when this sales thread was launched.

Throw that on top of this user's willingness to play by the rules. In the best of my judgement, there was nothing intentionally wrong done by the seller so we pursued alternative courses.

That's my crime

 

[JCash]

I thought this would be about the real shady stuff the mods pull for their buddies and service providers, not be a tldr squabble about a stupid bst rule.

 

[zxcvb]

Freedom of the press is reserved for people who own one. If you don't want your words deleted from the internets, put them on your own site.

I thought this would be about the real shady stuff the mods pull for their buddies and service providers, not be a tldr squabble about a stupid bst rule.

Now, where did I see your avatar before? Hard to figure out with that mustache.