At least when I make a censorship thread, I do that shit right. This on the other hand is some of the weakest shit I've ever seen.
WTF is up with the recent censorship here at WF?
- Thread starter eliquid
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Moderating BST is an almost impossible task. What a pool of shit.
That said: Mistakes are bound to happen.
Buyers come complaining from one side, and more than half the time they aren't even buyers, but whiny fuckfaces just browsing the section or scummy competitors.
Sellers come complaining from the others side, whining about scummy tactics from competitors, review beggers and copmplaining customers.
Both sides complain about the mods.
And the mods do all this without payment of any sort, so motivation to get into trouble for moderating THAT piece of shit is not stellar.
But the moment ideas like minimum post count for sellers, fees, or any of that sort are discussed - countdown to drama.
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That said: Mistakes are bound to happen.
Buyers come complaining from one side, and more than half the time they aren't even buyers, but whiny fuckfaces just browsing the section or scummy competitors.
Sellers come complaining from the others side, whining about scummy tactics from competitors, review beggers and copmplaining customers.
Both sides complain about the mods.
And the mods do all this without payment of any sort, so motivation to get into trouble for moderating THAT piece of shit is not stellar.
But the moment ideas like minimum post count for sellers, fees, or any of that sort are discussed - countdown to drama.
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I do, always. I posted here outing myself as the one who did the editing sounds just like manning up in my book.
He had never sold before in SBT to the best of my knowledge. It was a review of a paid service ago when he was a customer that was critical to the point that if he was selling at the time, we would have had serious issues.
This person, months later, decides sell a similar product. There was no malicious intent concerning the review but it did put him right behind the barrel of our threadshitting rule ... which isn't in place to handle situations like this, rather exists to require a professional courtesy amongst sellers. My solution solved all of this right up until this thread.
I haven't really started a thread in BST recently, but I'd prefer ads over a listing fee. Listing fees really limit the choice of services.
In staying with the "rule" that Erect gave me of "dont namedrop" that he posted above and also in my PM, which is a form of preemptive censorship in itself, I will try to make this as generic as possible to "protect" the seller in question.
The seller in question had a thread. They posted their service and it looked like a good service. They gave free reviews to I think 4 people. I posted I would like to buy said service after reviews. Seller had some buyers as well in their thread as they were posting their PP trans ID. Nothing negative from what I remember was even said or brought up in the seller's thread at all considering the sellers background here. I didn't stay up all night to watch this sellers thread, so unless someone questioned it after 10 posts on the thread then IDK.
Next morning when I am genuinely about to buy said service, I'm browsing BST and I come across THE EXACT SAME SERVICE. This time its from a NEW member on Wickedfire with 1 post, no iTraders, and 2 posts in their thread, once of which is from Erect.
Anyone that has been buying on WF for long enough knows people like Zingo have been banning people left and right for copying sales threads, bringing copied services from BHW/BLF, etc. How was I not to think this was someone that copied the other sales thread and threw it up the next morning? The fact Erect has posted in the thread (paraphrasing here) "This is not a new member, they made a new account to abide by our rules. He jumped thru a ton of hoops to make the BST a safer place" didnt sound to kosher to me though.. I mean, why even do this and why remove the good reviews they had too?
Can you tell me how exactly the seller followed WF rules by doing this service under a new name plz? What rule was broken that the seller had to use a new name to abide by the rules? Also, how did changing his name ( because that is all the seller did ) make the marketplace safer for all of us? ALL IT DID WAS HELP THAT SELLER, NOT WF AS A WHOLE.
I just dont see anywhere in the rules here where it says if you brake a certain rule, the solution is to get a new screen name, advertise the same service again, but get a mod to vouch for you.
Whats funny is you say they are well respected in their thread and that you give them a vote of confidence, but in my PM you sent to me you state
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The seller has trashed [removed] threads in the past, this is the clearest way for him to provide a competing service and still abide by our threadshitting rules."
So you respect and give a vote of confidence to to someone who knowing has trashed OTHER'S BST services? You even go so far as to give this person a clean slate for their own service by allowing them to do this same said service under a new name too? This person gets to threadshit on other peoples BST, but your doing everything you can to not let that happen on theirs?
I am not wanting for ANYONE to threadshit or steal from other members BST's. However, its pretty damn shady to hide someone's identity on this forum just so they can sell a service. I for one would like to know who the hell I am buying from, which is why on their new thread I posted "WTF, isnt this [removed]'s service?"
Jon, I would love to, but not sure what evidence you need or if this is going on even amounts to a hill of beans for you. I didn't pre-emptively make screen shots of threads before this happened or right when the change was made. But I do have my PM, what I am outing above and below, and other members have seen the thread, made comments, and are saying their posts were removed too.
^^ this. Letting users with bad reps here known for thrashing others BST to change their name and get a "vouch" from a mod here in no way shape or form helps/protects BST buyers. No one even said shit in their thread 10 or 12 post in, he had buyers, and had positive reviews... so how was the seller negatively effected by threadshitting? The point is like Erect pointed out in my PM to me, the seller has hurt other sellers threads in general and basically wanted a new clean slate to sell from so they themselves were not hurt by their own Karma.
^^ this.
The seller in question had a thread. They posted their service and it looked like a good service. They gave free reviews to I think 4 people. I posted I would like to buy said service after reviews. Seller had some buyers as well in their thread as they were posting their PP trans ID. Nothing negative from what I remember was even said or brought up in the seller's thread at all considering the sellers background here. I didn't stay up all night to watch this sellers thread, so unless someone questioned it after 10 posts on the thread then IDK.
Next morning when I am genuinely about to buy said service, I'm browsing BST and I come across THE EXACT SAME SERVICE. This time its from a NEW member on Wickedfire with 1 post, no iTraders, and 2 posts in their thread, once of which is from Erect.
Anyone that has been buying on WF for long enough knows people like Zingo have been banning people left and right for copying sales threads, bringing copied services from BHW/BLF, etc. How was I not to think this was someone that copied the other sales thread and threw it up the next morning? The fact Erect has posted in the thread (paraphrasing here) "This is not a new member, they made a new account to abide by our rules. He jumped thru a ton of hoops to make the BST a safer place" didnt sound to kosher to me though.. I mean, why even do this and why remove the good reviews they had too?
Can you tell me how exactly the seller followed WF rules by doing this service under a new name plz? What rule was broken that the seller had to use a new name to abide by the rules? Also, how did changing his name ( because that is all the seller did ) make the marketplace safer for all of us? ALL IT DID WAS HELP THAT SELLER, NOT WF AS A WHOLE.
I just dont see anywhere in the rules here where it says if you brake a certain rule, the solution is to get a new screen name, advertise the same service again, but get a mod to vouch for you.
Whats funny is you say they are well respected in their thread and that you give them a vote of confidence, but in my PM you sent to me you state
"
The seller has trashed [removed] threads in the past, this is the clearest way for him to provide a competing service and still abide by our threadshitting rules."
So you respect and give a vote of confidence to to someone who knowing has trashed OTHER'S BST services? You even go so far as to give this person a clean slate for their own service by allowing them to do this same said service under a new name too? This person gets to threadshit on other peoples BST, but your doing everything you can to not let that happen on theirs?
I am not wanting for ANYONE to threadshit or steal from other members BST's. However, its pretty damn shady to hide someone's identity on this forum just so they can sell a service. I for one would like to know who the hell I am buying from, which is why on their new thread I posted "WTF, isnt this [removed]'s service?"
Jon, I would love to, but not sure what evidence you need or if this is going on even amounts to a hill of beans for you. I didn't pre-emptively make screen shots of threads before this happened or right when the change was made. But I do have my PM, what I am outing above and below, and other members have seen the thread, made comments, and are saying their posts were removed too.
^^ this. Letting users with bad reps here known for thrashing others BST to change their name and get a "vouch" from a mod here in no way shape or form helps/protects BST buyers. No one even said shit in their thread 10 or 12 post in, he had buyers, and had positive reviews... so how was the seller negatively effected by threadshitting? The point is like Erect pointed out in my PM to me, the seller has hurt other sellers threads in general and basically wanted a new clean slate to sell from so they themselves were not hurt by their own Karma.
^^ this.
posted by -joe-:
People who aren't in a position to pony up $25 (or whatever) to advertise their services, are not good enough at their respective service to warrant handling my shit for me.
While it's true that a listing fee would tend to limit the number of consumer choice, how badly would you suffer if 75% of the linkbuilding services vanished? Most of them seem like garbage at first glance, especially given the huge influx of sellers from other, lesser forums that have migrated here over the last year and change.
Someone who genuinely knows what he's doing (at whatever service) and has a reputation as a participant in the forum (vs. just as a service provider) should have absolutely zero problem recouping any reasonable listing fee -- it's not a profit center for Jon, but a filter for everybody else. Newbie sellers with next to no posts, no rep, no formal or informal contacts with anyone else on the forum, who also can't even risk $25 on their own business, are fucking losers; you'd be insane to trust any of your money or any aspect of your business to them.
Frank
People who aren't in a position to pony up $25 (or whatever) to advertise their services, are not good enough at their respective service to warrant handling my shit for me.
While it's true that a listing fee would tend to limit the number of consumer choice, how badly would you suffer if 75% of the linkbuilding services vanished? Most of them seem like garbage at first glance, especially given the huge influx of sellers from other, lesser forums that have migrated here over the last year and change.
Someone who genuinely knows what he's doing (at whatever service) and has a reputation as a participant in the forum (vs. just as a service provider) should have absolutely zero problem recouping any reasonable listing fee -- it's not a profit center for Jon, but a filter for everybody else. Newbie sellers with next to no posts, no rep, no formal or informal contacts with anyone else on the forum, who also can't even risk $25 on their own business, are fucking losers; you'd be insane to trust any of your money or any aspect of your business to them.
Frank
I'm veering off and being stupid I guess, but given a choice from a random set consisting of, say --
Cancer
Great white shark
Running out of coffee
Hookers
Driving a Kia
Everything required by law to be built on PHPNuke from now on
And then finding out that the situation has changed, and now I can only pick between hookers and driving a Kia, I'm not going to bitch about my lack of choices -- and this analogy, however absurd, parallels the current state of BST pretty well in my opinion.
Frank
Cancer
Great white shark
Running out of coffee
Hookers
Driving a Kia
Everything required by law to be built on PHPNuke from now on
And then finding out that the situation has changed, and now I can only pick between hookers and driving a Kia, I'm not going to bitch about my lack of choices -- and this analogy, however absurd, parallels the current state of BST pretty well in my opinion.
Frank
I also want to say, I would have loved to have bought the service, Even with the users rep in the past, I keep things "business" if I see something that can help me with link building. I really didnt have big issues with the sellers rep or what they did in the past to others because the reviews they gave out were speaking for themselves.
However, when all this name changing and hiding of their past came to light, I saw it as hiding to other members who this seller was. Considering 10-12 posts into their old original thread I had not seen 1 negative post, I don't even think it was needed.
However, when all this name changing and hiding of their past came to light, I saw it as hiding to other members who this seller was. Considering 10-12 posts into their old original thread I had not seen 1 negative post, I don't even think it was needed.
I kind of feel the same way. If someone really needs to get something cheap done and are afraid that a $25 posting fee would limit new sellers because of the costs, there is always Fivvr and shit.
All the forums similar to WF pretty much have an "entry" limit to post a BST. BHW has it, BLF has it, Niche Choppers itself is not free to join, etc. The fact that WF has no limits pretty much just means we are the first place the losers hit as its one of their few choices to find a lot of buyers with no limits to posting a thread in BST.
Just implementing a 100 post min. AND at least 1-2 iTraders would cut it down a lot. Yeah, people are going to say people will abuse this and get around it, but we can all see the BS postings people do to bump up their post count and those people would get banned or dealt with anyone with their 1 line posts and shit. It would for sure limit all the real losers first.
I shut it down because I recognized the seller from a previous situation, when he was a buyer
WF as a whole is a weird concept ... like the glory of Rome ... but I'll try. It helps SBT remain civil when we don't let sellers rag on each other. I saw the problem and did what I could to fix it before it got out of control (enter eliquid).
Threadshitting sounds terrible, but it only applies when both parties are selling ... else it's a necessary review. When it's a buyer and seller, fair game ... 2 sellers reviewing, no way.
Great selective quoting BTW .. you missed the part where I said
Which is exactly why you got called an idiot and a drama llama, take your medicine.
as I pointed out to tarheel ... as a buyer, not a seller. Knowing what a review whore you've been in the past, would you like to never be allowed to sell any product you gave an honest review on?