Prices double For New Thread. 77$ Matters :(



I have a general understanding that it wasn't ever "allowed", just that the rule wasn't mentioned very clearly. Right?

Yeah, you must have missed that, it was in the small print right next to where it said NickyCakes wasn't allowed to drop pixels on WF users to collect data for a future product launch. derpity derp derp derp.

Jeebus, I'm going to take Danke's words of wisdom at face value and quit responding to you, I'm not sure if you're being purposely obtuse or just aren't that smart, either way good luck bro.

If you offer quality, you'll get the quantity (in orders). The price increase will simply filter out the lower quality link building providers...

All the BST BUYERS should paypal Jon $100 right now as a preemptive thank you, this change will drastically cut down on penguinized sites.

Unless...
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...the smaller variety of link services makes it easier for Matt & the boys to track...
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In theory it's a good idea, but then you just have all the same low-baller shitty services in one section.
So? As a buyer, sometimes I prefer the services from people in third world countries. They're generally more down-to-basics, and cheaper. The first world people, however, know about branding, not just the basic thing of building links to sites. So then you get services like OnTheWayUp's, where it's a package you can build yourself from other services for a third of the price, but because he gave it a pretty name, it then becomes one of the most popular services out there. I think there are one or two things I don't like going with the third world on (think blog networks, quality social bookmarks, new types of link the seller discovered, Web 2.0s where you need to show them to clients) but the third world suits me just fine for the bog standard blog comments, get-the-job-done web 2.0s, article submissions & cheap social bookmarks.
Just make it a rule. You can only have a thread in one of those two sections. More than one? Ban.
Agreed.

And then don't have any moderators taking care of the shitty section. No dispute battles, none of that. Let it be a warzone. Let them all cannibalize each other, arguing in threads, copying each other's services, etc... until it dies. Then just delete it...

... or better yet. Just don't have it at all lol
I think it'd need more moderation than the quality section, but I'm sure if necessary, a few moderators could be found.
 
Just make it a rule. You can only have a thread in one of those two sections. More than one? Ban.

And then don't have any moderators taking care of the shitty section. No dispute battles, none of that. Let it be a warzone. Let them all cannibalize each other, arguing in threads, copying each other's services, etc... until it dies. Then just delete it...

... or better yet. Just don't have it at all lol

This already exists. The second section is called "Digitalpoint"
 
So? As a buyer, sometimes I prefer the services from people in third world countries. They're generally more down-to-basics, and cheaper. The first world people, however, know about branding, not just the basic thing of building links to sites. So then you get services like OnTheWayUp's, where it's a package you can build yourself from other services for a third of the price, but because he gave it a pretty name, it then becomes one of the most popular services out there. I think there are one or two things I don't like going with the third world on (think blog networks, quality social bookmarks, new types of link the seller discovered, Web 2.0s where you need to show them to clients) but the third world suits me just fine for the bog standard blog comments, get-the-job-done web 2.0s, article submissions & cheap social bookmarks.

Where is the line drawn about what is allowed in the "shitty" section? Separating the shit from the good in the BST is like trying to find a needle in a haystack right now, there are only a few services that IMO fall into the $77 section if you're splitting them up. All that having a separate section available does is enable shitty services to keep being sold.
 
Top quality vendors will only gain from this. Also a chance for new vendors to prove themselves, as the competition has lowered.

And, at the end of the day, this is Jon's domain.
 
I am just pointing to his swift change in stance when it comes to "embrace or die".
There has been no change in stance. We were paying thousands to advertise here in 2010. At the time, Josh even rationalized it as "paying back to WF for the success we had" because the ROI wasn't there.

Have you paid thousands of dollars to WF?

You're not the first guy to hate on the webinars. A lot of losers who don't contribute fuck all, who don't build relationships with people, like to complain and whine about someone else doing something good.

I have maybe made $200 from that "list" that I would not have made otherwise. But what if I had built the list and got 1000s of emails, then turned it into $100,000?

Forget Jon's stance for or against @WF for a moment, are you seriously telling me I need to feel bad about building content, giving people my time, and being able to generate sales?

I've said before that you're on the wrong forum because you have a peasant (scarcity) mentality. You just don't fucking get it. We're here to market and make money.

Take a cue from the other posters here. If you want to be a small minded third world socialist, go fucking do it somewhere else. I'm not the only person tired of your crap.
 
If you offer quality, you'll get the quantity (in orders). The price increase will simply filter out the lower quality link building providers...

I'll disagree here. Order quantity certainly goes to the low-cost providers. I can show data and harp on the benefits of content and link source quality all day long, but the fact is I'm only going to attract clients with higher budgets.

There is a ton of lowball services on here that do higher volumes at lower prices. Interested to see if the price change moves some out.
 
If people are cut rate buyers, they were probably never good customers anyway. There are guys like Ly2 who will buy a $5 fiverr gig 50 times or he will pay $1,000 for some higher end content marketing.

But in those cases, he buys the fiverr gig not because it's a deal but because that's what the service is going for.

Yeah, selling up market has lower volumes.

But do you really want to do more work at lower prices? I wouldn't.
 
I plan to open a sales thread later tonight and the price doesn't matter. This will immensely weed out the cheap low quality sellers.
 
Would be cool if there was an upsell for a thread where you pay even more to have the thread remain on page one or something like that. I would buy if there was. Also $77 is not a lot since your offer should make you much more if you're not retarded or offering crap.