Possibly The Most Important Science Breakthrough Happened Today
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The only over unity power source is Andrea Rossi - more bullshit comes out of him than material goes in. Every time he pitches this snake oil he breaks the second law of thermodynamics.
That people keep believing his crap, and giving him money - powers my reasons for being here. Sad, but good.
Bet you $10 from your next blood donor check that somehow the magic doesn't happen. Maybe it's be because of the Illuminati, or "too much negative energy" from haters - but it. will. not. happen.
In other bullshit news - the world didn't end on 11/11/11. Prepare for 12/12/12 buy [insert magical product here].
P.S. watts ain't a measure of energy - but then science isn't a strong point amongst his supporters. Now if we could just generate joules from stupid... hmmm, does fat burn?
They would if Rossi had proven it... But he won't on purpose. :thumbsup:Wouldn't the government have blocked this from appearing by now, Luke
At the moment, even the US Patent department says that any kind of room-temperature fusion at all is against the laws of physics, so no one is taking this seriously!
Those who would be blocking it (such as big oil, not the gov!) are enjoying what they are sure to be a major Fail parade, because the more who fail at something under lots of press the more they scare other scientists away from the field.
I know there's a slim chance that he's found a way around the laws of physics here... Don't worry, I'm not going to be heartbroken if he fell flat on his face soon, but I gotta say this: If he were for real, then he's going about it in the right way, using everyones' skepticism to his advantage to buy time.
The fact that he mortgaged his house to build that prototype speaks volumes... But in this world, raising your hand and saying you did something that will cost other people or corporations billions of dollars is always suicidal. So the choices of a smart person with his solution in hand were limited to: 1.) Do it this way, or 2.) Forget about it and go work on something else.
So here's hoping...
Okay where are we at here? Whats going on? Jet pack needs thruster nozzles rotated and a new fusion pellet.
Lets have the E-Cat update.
Lets have the E-Cat update.
Lots of stuff that is also not concrete.
There was a hilarious blog post one one of those Rossi-worshipping sites a week or so back where someone Named "Somyongai posting for Chan" said he recreated Rossi's design and it worked 100%... Sad thing is that tons of people believed him and no one there has any idea what 4chan is... Tons of people still beleive him right now and are reposting his "success." -Priceless.
I just saw today though that Rossi's second customer is in "the northeast USA" and he just returned from installing a 1MW reactor there, so he hopes that customer will come forward and tell the world it works soon... But he's not required to. :\
There was a hilarious blog post one one of those Rossi-worshipping sites a week or so back where someone Named "Somyongai posting for Chan" said he recreated Rossi's design and it worked 100%... Sad thing is that tons of people believed him and no one there has any idea what 4chan is... Tons of people still beleive him right now and are reposting his "success." -Priceless.
I just saw today though that Rossi's second customer is in "the northeast USA" and he just returned from installing a 1MW reactor there, so he hopes that customer will come forward and tell the world it works soon... But he's not required to. :\
Maybe he should team up with Dr. Burzynski to make a machine that cures cancer AND provides unlimited power.
Just watched the video at: How does an ECAT work?
What is interesting to me is that it ran self-contained (no external electricity) for over 3 hours. That is very hard to fake (not impossible but very hard).
If Rossi is out to scam anyone, he definitely is a very crappy con-artist. He really needs a good spin doctor on his team to sell this thing.
Btw, to all the first law of thermodynamics lovers .. something to pinpoint.
In the E-Cat, the nuclear force is being used to generate heat which is very different from a chemical reaction. The closest analogy I can think of is a typical nuclear reactor. At an overly-simpllified level, in a nuclear reactor, the uranium fuel decays which gives off gamma radiation that is used to heat water to create steam to move a turbine which (thanks to Tesla, btw) is converted to A/C using an A/C motor (going in reverse).
If the science of the E-Cat is correct, nickel plus a catalyst (perhaps palladium as Luke suggested) plus hydrogen is heated to an ignition temperature at which point the Nickel is converted to Copper. This 'alchemy' causes the release of gamma radiation which as mentioned above produces heat when the gamma radiation collides with heavy molecules. In the E-Cat, the gamma radiation most likely collides with a lead lined chamber which heats its up. The water is sandwhiched between the lead lining and the outer shell of the chamber and so it in turn is heated. The heated water exits as steam and is collected to keep the 'engine' running in a self-contained loop.
My heart is cheering for Rossi but my head is very skeptical. Time will tell.
JC.
What is interesting to me is that it ran self-contained (no external electricity) for over 3 hours. That is very hard to fake (not impossible but very hard).
If Rossi is out to scam anyone, he definitely is a very crappy con-artist. He really needs a good spin doctor on his team to sell this thing.
Btw, to all the first law of thermodynamics lovers .. something to pinpoint.
If (BIG IF) the device is working as Rossi eludes, we have matter begin converted to energy. Typically, we think of this happening as a chemical reaction, ie, more than one fuel sources being 'burned' to give off heat, etc. A very simple example is burning wood.
In the E-Cat, the nuclear force is being used to generate heat which is very different from a chemical reaction. The closest analogy I can think of is a typical nuclear reactor. At an overly-simpllified level, in a nuclear reactor, the uranium fuel decays which gives off gamma radiation that is used to heat water to create steam to move a turbine which (thanks to Tesla, btw) is converted to A/C using an A/C motor (going in reverse).
If the science of the E-Cat is correct, nickel plus a catalyst (perhaps palladium as Luke suggested) plus hydrogen is heated to an ignition temperature at which point the Nickel is converted to Copper. This 'alchemy' causes the release of gamma radiation which as mentioned above produces heat when the gamma radiation collides with heavy molecules. In the E-Cat, the gamma radiation most likely collides with a lead lined chamber which heats its up. The water is sandwhiched between the lead lining and the outer shell of the chamber and so it in turn is heated. The heated water exits as steam and is collected to keep the 'engine' running in a self-contained loop.
My heart is cheering for Rossi but my head is very skeptical. Time will tell.
JC.
Source?
If MIT has a working reactor today... Then it can be assured that the government and pals will know it works and the game will be up.
This is interesting; Rossi's got solid competition from some Ozzies: Is Rossi's E-Cat Yesterday's News? Australian Company Claims to have a Working Fusion Reactor at Oil Price
(Meaning it's cheaper & easier to make.)
UPDATE:
Fuck yeah.
Someone at the Department of energy, an assistant in the department of science, is Stoked about LENR and Rossi's device but can't seem to muster much attention for it in his department. (Sounds like he hasn't been let in on the conspiracy yet.)
Check out his response to an inquiry about ECAT here:
More “Helpful” E-Mails from the DOE | e-Cat Site
He even says:
I have heard of the Langley experiments before, but not that they were so successful. This is getting a bit more exciting!
BTW, I checked the DOE guy out, he exists.
Fuck yeah.
Someone at the Department of energy, an assistant in the department of science, is Stoked about LENR and Rossi's device but can't seem to muster much attention for it in his department. (Sounds like he hasn't been let in on the conspiracy yet.)
Check out his response to an inquiry about ECAT here:
More “Helpful” E-Mails from the DOE | e-Cat Site
He even says:
I have heard of the Langley experiments before, but not that they were so successful. This is getting a bit more exciting!
BTW, I checked the DOE guy out, he exists.
If only he was smart enough to see that it would take money to bring all of his amazing visions to reality. I suspect autism.
Another Update:
Rossi is saying he's in talks with Home Depot for Home-unit distribution in AUGUST OF THIS YEAR for ~$1,500 US. They will also be produced in the USA totally, "Creating many jobs here."
Podcast interview with Rossi himself saying so:
http://www.coldfusionnow.org/audio/2011-12-29-Andrea-Rossi.mp3
Summary article breaking this news:
Home Depot eCat $1.5K? |
One thing I didn't enjoy hearing in that podcast is how Rossi sounds waaaaay to naive about how the power companies will respond. The interviewer told him point blank that he's going to cost the power companies "lots of revenue" and asked how he will respond... Rossi sounded a little surprised and said 'I don't think we will cost them much, our power and theirs will work in concert...'
I understand that he doesn't want to talk about any negative ramifications of his product during early launch stages and all, but that sounds so naive I really do have to worry for the man's sanity.
So again, it's either:
A. Total scam, not too surprising given his background. or
B. The second coming of Tesla.
If Rossi is Tesla reincarnate, this time they won't take it so easy on him...
Rossi is saying he's in talks with Home Depot for Home-unit distribution in AUGUST OF THIS YEAR for ~$1,500 US. They will also be produced in the USA totally, "Creating many jobs here."
Podcast interview with Rossi himself saying so:
http://www.coldfusionnow.org/audio/2011-12-29-Andrea-Rossi.mp3
Summary article breaking this news:
Home Depot eCat $1.5K? |
One thing I didn't enjoy hearing in that podcast is how Rossi sounds waaaaay to naive about how the power companies will respond. The interviewer told him point blank that he's going to cost the power companies "lots of revenue" and asked how he will respond... Rossi sounded a little surprised and said 'I don't think we will cost them much, our power and theirs will work in concert...'
I understand that he doesn't want to talk about any negative ramifications of his product during early launch stages and all, but that sounds so naive I really do have to worry for the man's sanity.
So again, it's either:
A. Total scam, not too surprising given his background. or
B. The second coming of Tesla.
If Rossi is Tesla reincarnate, this time they won't take it so easy on him...
I have a feeling that it is a scam but I also feel like humanity is due for the next huge breakthrough that will further our evolution and society. I want to believe this so bad it hurts but I am trying to remain neutral on the topic so I dont sound like some crazy fanboy (lukep).