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In the last couple of days the ecat world has been brimming over with a reversal of optimism. You'd think after that film posted above, people would be jumping out left right and center saying "hey, looks like LENR is for real," wouldn't you? Well a few of the little guys did, but the big newsfolk went quite the other way.

I checked that Forbes reporter that was so optimistic daily to see if he reported on the film above. I even sent him the link to it a few days ago anonymously because I really wanted to see his response. So did he like it?

Apparently not. He immediately posted this outright crap and then this utter tripe over the last few days instead!

Here's the gist of his new attitude:
Turncoat at Forbes said:
I don’t disagree that there may be some extremely interesting effect these researchers are seeing and that they attribute to what they believe is a low energy nuclear reaction but these researchers are not yet able to reliably reproduce the effect and therefore can’t produce a testable theory that explains the effect they may be observing.
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He basically just says that LENR may be a repeatable test that can be done in a lab but he doesn't see any reason to think it has real-world application or promise. (He compares it to laboratory superconductors.)

Worse, the owner of the Film posted above, Dr. Zawodny, sort of recanted his position too! After his film was a raging success on youtube, hoardes of people said across teh blogosphere that "Nasa endorses LENR" and that must have pissed Zawdony's boss off enough to chew him a new one...

The result is this sad blog post on his personal blog full of corrections to the film that runs at about 5 TIMES as many words as the film.

...Usually when you run a correction for something, 5 times the words is a tad bit... Overkill. For those interested, here's the gist of it:

Dr Zawodny said:
As for what people are trying to read into this video, specifically my use of the word “demonstrated”, it is my professional opinion that the production of excess energy has been demonstrated when the results of the last 20+ years of experimentation are evaluated. There has been a lot of work done in the past 20+ years. When considered in aggregate I believe excess power has been demonstrated. I did not say, reliable, useful, commercially viable, or controllable. If any of those other terms were applicable I would have used them instead. If anything, it is the lack of a single clear demonstration of reliable, useful, and controllable production of excess power that has held LENR research back. As a non-technical piece aimed at the general public, my limited media training has taught me that less information/detail is generally better than more. I did not produce or direct the video. While I saw the video before it was released, I did not learn of it’s release until the email started pouring in Thursday morning.

There have been many attempts to twist the release of this video into NASA’s support for LENR or as proof that Rossi’s e-cat really works. Many extraordinary claims have been made in 2010. In my scientific opinion, extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. I find a distinct absence of the latter. So let me be very clear here. While I personally find sufficient demonstration that LENR effects warrant further investigation, I remain skeptical. Furthermore, I am unaware of any clear and convincing demonstrations of any viable commercial device producing useful amounts of net energy.
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This is, again, the guy who MADE the film above in my last post, and the following slide presentation:

http://ecatsite.files.wordpress.com/2012/01/zawodny_nasa_grc_092211.pdf

(That's a great history of LENR/cold fusion for anyone who wants to catch up to the history & science of it.)

Anyway, what a reversal, eh? You can literally point to the moment in time they went from being openly excited, huge advocates of LENR to being pessimistic and overly careful, despite having no reason to do so. Both just in the last few days.

All of this may sound just a little wishy-washy to the ordinary reader, but to a long time Ron Paul supporter this string of events is downright FAMILIAR. It's all too obvious to me that Big Oil has finally started playing this game.

It's time to see someone like Rossi go missing, have a change of heart, get assassinated, or have a Julian Assange-style sex scandal and wind up behind bars.

Jesus Fuck. :throwup:
 


Not had time to go through some of the stuff you posted, but it seems to me that Dr Zawodny just feels he had his view misrepresented, lol at him using the exact same quote that I used earlier in this thread:

"In my scientific opinion, extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. I find a distinct absence of the latter."
 
CERN talking a lot about LENR

News has been slow lately but one (minor) headline that has been passed around this week made me stop and think:

CERN, the world's undisputed #1 Nuclear Physics lab, is holding a conference on LENR.

In fact, when I went to the site to verify the news, a search shows that they are actually storing/displaying a fair amount of Papers there about LENR!

So let this sit in a minute. If LENR, which is what its' proponents refer to as 'cold fusion,' is anything close to a hoax, then why is it being seriously discussed and studied by the planet's premier group of scientists in that area, who is additionally sharing their website with various scientific papers on the subject?

I've said it before but it seriously bears repeating: Rossi may be naive or unable to deliver... But LENR itself is 100% REAL.
 
lukep said:
News has been slow lately but one (minor) headline that has been passed around this week made me stop and think:

CERN, the world's undisputed #1 Nuclear Physics lab, is holding a conference on LENR.

In fact, when I went to the site to verify the news, a search shows that they are actually storing/displaying a fair amount of Papers there about LENR!

So let this sit in a minute. If LENR, which is what its' proponents refer to as 'cold fusion,' is anything close to a hoax, then why is it being seriously discussed and studied by the planet's premier group of scientists in that area, who is additionally sharing their website with various scientific papers on the subject?

I've said it before but it seriously bears repeating: Rossi may be naive or unable to deliver... But LENR itself is 100% REAL.
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From my vague following of this thread, it seems no repeatable peer reviewed experiments, or the theory to back it exists. Arent you therefore relying on faith?
 
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mattseh said:
From my vague following of this thread, it seems no repeatable peer reviewed experiments, or the theory to back it exists. Arent you therefore relying on faith?
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WTF Faith? Your memory is very vague indeed.

I'm relying on not one but two Scientists at NASA Langley that have gone way out of their way to spread LENR. CERN here is waving quite a big clue around too.
 
lukep said:
WTF Faith? Your memory is very vague indeed.

I'm relying on not one but two Scientists at NASA Langley that have gone way out of their way to spread LENR. CERN here is waving quite a big clue around too.
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You just proclaimed it 100% real, scientists talking about its potential doesn't make it real, where are the widely repeated experiments, producing results that are predicted by specific theories?
 
mattseh said:
You just proclaimed it 100% real, scientists talking about its potential doesn't make it real, where are the widely repeated experiments, producing results that are predicted by specific theories?
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In NASA's lab. They tested that shit so much that they even compared energy output of LENR-powered rockets to conventional Nuke-fission powered rockets! (LENR Won, btw.)

Go read the post with the Movie in it a page back, about 10 posts up.

Consider this why you are reading about it: Nuclear physicists have shown that more than two forces exist. No one contests that much, right? So why do people think that Fission and Fusion are the only two things we can do with atoms to derive energy?
 
lukep said:
In NASA's lab. They tested that shit so much that they even compared energy output of LENR-powered rockets to conventional Nuke-fission powered rockets! (LENR Won, btw.)

Go read the post with the Movie in it a page back, about 10 posts up.

Consider this why you are reading about it: Nuclear physicists have shown that more than two forces exist. No one contests that much, right? So why do people think that Fission and Fusion are the only two things we can do with atoms to derive energy?
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Lay out the proofs, show how it can be used, lay out the costs for the initial tests.

Do this and I will get the funding.
 
REIMktg said:
Lay out the proofs, show how it can be used, lay out the costs for the initial tests.

Do this and I will get the funding.
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What do I look like, your personal research assistant? :p

Go meet the head scientists at Langley or the authors of any of those 8 papers on the CERN site; better yet go to the meeting @ CERN next month... I'm sure someone other than Rossi, the Greek guys (Deflakion) or the Ozzies will do so. Eventually one of these guys is going to make something production worthy.

...Just in time for Obama to use a drone on them. :crying:
 
noveltysystems said:
1 MW E-Cat Cold Fusion Device Test Successful

Today is set to be the start of a new era of cheap power, as a new type of low-cost nuclear reactor goes live in front of an audience of scientists and media representatives in Bologna. Once the mystery customer who commissioned the device has confirmed that it really is producing one megawatt, they'll pay the developer, Andrea Rossi.
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Andrea Rossi is a fucking free energy nutjob. Nothing of substance
 
lukep said:
In NASA's lab. They tested that shit so much that they even compared energy output of LENR-powered rockets to conventional Nuke-fission powered rockets! (LENR Won, btw.)

Go read the post with the Movie in it a page back, about 10 posts up.

Consider this why you are reading about it: Nuclear physicists have shown that more than two forces exist. No one contests that much, right? So why do people think that Fission and Fusion are the only two things we can do with atoms to derive energy?
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This sums up my thoughts on the NASA video nicely: Cold Fusion: NASA Says Nothing Useful - Forbes

You are still contending that there is hard proof, for your assertion that it's 100% real to hold up, but I just can't find it.
 
^FFS, that idiot at forbes even used the words "Cold Fusion" in the title!

LENR IS NOT COLD FUSION. It's something new, speculated to be the "weak" nuclear force of atoms being harvested. NASA SAYS SO.

How obvious does he have to be to show you that the dumbass forbes blogger is trying to slander LENR & Rossi?

Go back up and read the post about Bushnell and view his slide show. He's not split on this issue at all; he's telling all departments at NASA to start implementing LENR as their main power source throughout everything they do... And that's Langley's Chief scientist.

I'll believe Langley's Chief scientist over some blogger anyday.
 
I'm getting really tired of this Soap-opera shit with Rossi.

He was offered $1 Million USD today to redo a test by some rich Australian and Rossi turned it down flat. He called this attempt to force his hand "Clownerie" and said he didn't need the money.

In my mind this is dubious and leaves us with exactly two options...

A. Despite LENR Being lauded by NASA scientists, Rossi himself is scamming us, and the purpose for only taking pre-orders is so that he can get everyone's money at the same time before his disappears.

B. Rossi is actually very smart and knows he's 1 step away from being assassinated, so he's trying to appear like it's option A above to throw off big oil and any others who would not like to see LENR take off soon.
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In both cases he'd be annoyed by the offer from the Ozzie today to tip his hand... Which would account for his tone.

But what bugs me is that Rossi has said repeatedly that he's gone to the US to install or do testing with MIT and the state of Mass, both of which would obviously tip off the US Guv to the workings (or not) of the ecat.

For all of that to be congruent, then Rossi would HAVE to both:

1. Fear big Oil.

2. Not fear the US Government at all... like a naive little peasant. (And he's worked for the Carter administration before so that's doubly sad.)

This is just not adding up for me... I'm going to have to give up on Rossi & the ECAT at this point. In all probability this is a Scam. ;(

....LENR is still real though. WAY too many scientist saying so. CERN certainly wouldn't be doing what they are doing if it weren't, so the only question is when LENR can be brought to production.
 
Really, how much could it possibly cost to duplicate his experiment or create a LERN / eCat to test?

Really, how much?
 
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