EPN is going to fuck us! QCP Preview Available

I'm not with pepperjam, but I'm sure this has to make up a marginal portion of their affiliates. I'm wondering how many people are with pepperjam JUST for the ebay platform??
 


I was looking for this thread today.

So for most of Sept, I was up about 15%~20%. Then the last two weeks, my revenue tailed off, and the gap started to close.

The last 3 days have been big for me. I'm setting a new monthly record.

But my QPC is now 14% underwater. If they don't carry over my last week of Sept performance into October, then that's just sneaky crap.

I think this QPC thing is just a way to shave, that they couldn't do before when the commission earnings were transparent.


First they came for the ACRUs and I did not speak out—because I was not earning from ACRUs;

Then they came for the CJ affiliates and I did not speak out—because I was direct with Ebay.

Then they came for the commissions and I did not speak out—because I thought QPC would work out.

Then they came for my account—and there was nothing left for me to lose.
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Ebay blows, every day more users quit using it. The reason you're making less money is because ebay is making less and need to make it up from somewhere. They've already increased percentage based fees and now they need something new to rape and murder.

Run to the hills!
 
posted by turbolapp:
I'm just waiting for everyone to get over the bitching phase and start talking strategy....seeing as this is wickedfire, I might be waiting a while.
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dingdingding

Checked mine; total income is down but I stopped using eBay as a serious income generator during their 2007-8 rounds of changes. This is not me claiming to be superior, but the idea of having faith in any program or company is just nutty. When AdSense started screwing around with my sites, I reduced my exposure to them first and then went about seeing what I could do to appease them. Same with eBay; when they started making weird changes a while back I started looking for alternatives right away, and then looked at what I could do with the "new and improved" EPN. Since then I've made some nice money off of EPN in aggregate but wouldn't miss the ongoing income if it dried up.

The minute some company from whom I'm getting paychecks starts shifting shit around and talking about how much the user experience will be improved for all or whatever other happy-go-fucky nonsense, I immediately start looking for alternatives.


Frank
 
It's starting tomorrow folks. Get ready to make some serious cash. (sarcasm..no charge)
 
guerilla said:
First they came for the ACRUs and I did not speak out—because I was not earning from ACRUs;

Then they came for the CJ affiliates and I did not speak out—because I was direct with Ebay.

Then they came for the commissions and I did not speak out—because I thought QPC would work out.

Then they came for my account—and there was nothing left for me to lose.
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I like it. The original is one of my favorite poems/essays/analogies (whatever you want to call it), btw.

I have to say though, Guerrilla, I've been surprised at your vocal discord with the changes within EPN. I've always thought your philopshy was more about capitlilistic 'may the best business model win' type thing. So if this works for EPN then good for them. And if it works for the affiliate then good for them, if it doesn't work for the affiliate, they need to either move along or change what they're doing. Adapt or die, right?
 
turbolapp said:
I have to say though, Guerrilla, I've been surprised at your vocal discord with the changes within EPN.

I've always thought your philopshy was more about capitlilistic 'may the best business model win' type thing.
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I don't see how that conflicts with what I have written.

Because of the poem? It is a parody.
 
guerilla said:
Because of the poem? It is a parody.
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No it wasn't from that post. I thought I remembered reading a post where you were pissed about the QCP and thought it a bad move on EPN's part. And while I"m not too happy about some of the changes myself for my own bottom line I can see how it is a gamble that *may* payoff for EPN. But of course now that I look back through this particular thread I don't see anything resembling what I thought. Figures. In fact you were totally going the Guerilla way in this post:

guerilla said:
Well, no point in staying pissed about this. Some bad competition will get wiped out, some people will move on, and it will be a little easier to compete.

I'm going to roll out some more niche sites in Sept for the holiday season, and then make a call on how involved I will be with EPN in 2010. Right now, my data is so screwy (made $13 in commission yesterday, value click shows revenue of $1.30 under new scheme) that I can't really ascertain what is going to happen to me.

We have to be honest. While cutting us down may hurt, at the end of the day, EPN might still be the best bang for the buck out of shopping affiliate programs, and so we'll just have to scale bigger and work a little harder to get ahead. It's not ideal, but no one on the internet has a 3 year plan, because no one knows what it will be like in 3 years.

Creative destruction. Sometimes you rickroll the internet, and sometimes the internet dickrolls you.

Back to work.
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So until I come across whatever post I was thinking of I'll retract my earlier statement.
 
turbolapp said:
No it wasn't from that post. I thought I remembered reading a post where you were pissed about the QCP and thought it a bad move on EPN's part.
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I do think it is a bad move. I think they are going to feed off their affiliates, by obfuscating and scaling down returns.

This move is strictly to help bail them out in the short term. That's a problem in big companies. They suffer from an agent/principal problem. Managers have an incentive to burn the future to maintain the present. If there is one thing I have learned in the last 3 years, it's to spot a deadman walking.

Anyway, I am going to keep competing. But I think, after watching sept's estimates, that this is a shell game, and I know the house wins those. So I am bearish on ebay until the stats show me something different.
 
First month I was -90%.

Sept I am -10%

Lets hope when the real month starts, I will make more... the problem is... are they even going to show commission stats anymore???
 
doubt it - to what advantage would it be for ePN to say "under QPN you made this, under the old commission model that made sense and people were comfortable with - that wasn't near as convoluted as this b.s. algorithm that we're using now - you would have made more"

maybe they'll show you sales that result from your transactions, but maybe not. unfortunate if they don't - that was always good for niche research.
 
Anyone seeing anything good with the start of this? How is this supposed to work? I'm getting clicks but don't see any $$$$ for it.
Are they getting rid of the ACRU's in this new system, or are they keeping it for now?
 
Pretty sure earnings will still be shown a day late just like before.
I believe ACRU's are 'supposed' to be merged into the overall QPC of the site or some bullshit...so, to answer your question, we won't see a dime from them.
 
Hey I made $18 bucks yesterday...yippeeeeeee. EPC $0.11 That's so much better than the $80-$100 a day I was normally making. My EPC when QCP was just in the testing phase was $0.24. Funny, now that QCP is live, it's already cut in half. Let's see if this gets any better as the month progresses.
 
Down to $380 from a normal $500-$600 range.

Didn't help that I made $4.18 on a site with 2 $130+ commission sales that day.

They're showing you how much they're fucking you. It's great.
 
Saw this on the EPN forums, re: thumbs up or down on QPC

I base my opinion on a number of determining factors and my own personal algorithm that will be assessed using a number of different factors, including but not limited to the long and short term value of the epn program in driving engaged and incremental funds to my pocket.
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lol

Two ways to look at this. Move on to other networks and products, or double down, assuming that many marginal EPN players will be driven out of the market and there is share to take over.
 
guerilla said:
Two ways to look at this. Move on to other networks and products, or double down, assuming that many marginal EPN players will be driven out of the market and there is share to take over.
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I have felt this way for a while. Really, that's the way to deal with this whole industry. Changes happen to our little paradigms- allow yourself a couple of days to stomp around and bitch. Then execute a plan of action which should incorporate something along the lines of shit or get off the pot.
 
Not sure if this has been brought up but on the phpBay forum there is a nice post that Wade wrote about a modified auction.php file that blocks bad referrals. phpBay Pro Support Forums

Curious if this approach would be beneficial for A2P as well.
 
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