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It cost more than warrior forum :( LOL keep going admin, you planned to became millionaire with in 10 days. you rocking :)

you dickhead Jon don't give a fuck to this money and if he used to give why the fuck he DID NOT publish ads for bunch of hungry companies begging to publish their ads here?
 
Not to point any fingers, but there were ppl that didn't get effected by this which I personally think is bull shit!

Yeah, whats up with unlocked ( not closed ) sales threads in the BST still running strong with new posts as of today but they are not on a new thread for their service?

I see several old BST treads running fine right now and didnt have to close down and start a new thread...
 
Let's

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we have to protest. Really
 
Why am I not surprised that people who have been making thousands of dollars a month selling services on here, taking full advantage of there being NO cost until now and from this place having the least amount of fraud and scams than all other forums combined, are suddenly up in arms about having to pay anything.... If you don't agree or like it, go to any of the other places that exist and sell there. No one is stopping you, trust me on that.

I never once claimed that this is the only place that you need to sell or buy at. Nor will I ever, because I absolutely believe that there is not one place that is the end all be all place to buy and sell on the internet.

If the model we have now doesn't work out, we'll change it and adapt to the market so that we can make it work first for us from a time and resource perspective and then from a market perspective, all the while, within our means.

There are plenty of really big and expensive solutions I could apply here that would make this section bigger and better than anything in existence today. But I'm not willing to make that type of investment on my own. The amount of work, effort, and cash alone make it a daunting task. If the point of WickedFire was to make us money and nothing else, then the choice would be quite clear and that's the route I'd go. But its not. Nor will it ever be. Instead, I alluded to partnering with another, much more in-depth and professional third party service that I know of that can do just that, but also compliment our goals here and yours too. However, unfortunately for you guys and perhaps us a bit, that partnership is not absolutely inked yet. They have to accommodate us, and in order to do so, they need to make certain changes to do so. The day that they are ready to roll, that is the day it will be available here and things will really change. Their focus is purely to be a buying and selling platform and nothing more or less. They are neutral from the buyers and sellers, just like we are neutral here from all business between affs and networks and advertisers and everyone else.

Back onto this topic here, stop complaining. If you sell something and you really can't make over $100 a month from it, then this place is not for you. For everyone else that sees how this is a good deal and realizes how they can actually increase their sales volume and revenue and at the same time reduce the friction that fraud, previews and defaming from their competitors here causes.

Its not a perfect solution, and it wasn't supposed to be. Remember that. If you work WITH us then that type of environment helps everyone. If your goal is to sell bullshit and then bitch about how bad we are, then there are so many options elsewhere to choose from and you don't belong here. But if you realize that this is a good plan, and can respect the change, then you are going to certainly continue making money while providing a good business service.

For everyone else who disagrees, tell your God, because he's handling customer support right now for the people who just want to voice their stupid thoughts. I'm sure he has nothing better to do than address your opinions and concern.
 
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I see this as a nail in the coffin for WF. Seriously, I love WF and bought way more services than I can remember. I sold some, but I primarly a buyer here. Here are problems I see ahead, if you care to know:

# The fee is too high for South East Asian providers. Many of which I have seen fab providers at really low prices.
>> $5 is reasonable and enough to turn away most of junk we've seen here. Plus it helps new starters, new ideas with small pockets...etc.

# Closing the thread within 10 days will effectively kill the quality score of the service. Some services take around 20-30 days, without including late delivery. If that's closed or the scammer run away, they can start a new one and scam even more, especially with a new service.
>> Keep the thread as long as there is interest from anyone other than OP and have a recurring monthly payment in place.

# Closing existing threads just sucked - big time. What happened to existing orders? people waiting? money spent? those who don't want start paying for a new thread?
>> Open active threads.

Just trying to get over the latest Panda and now this.:eek7:

Why not...

10 days - $15
1 month - $35
3 months - $100
6 months - $150
lifetime - $250

If you buy the lifetime, your probably legit, no?

Bumping: Every 5 posts = bump or Normal Bumping (if people are talking about it, it's probably popular - make it so the OPs posts can't bump his/her own thread)
Threads: Close when membership ends, to reactivate that specific thread you just buy a new membership

The current system won't get rid of scammer, who ever thought that is a fucking idiot. All it will do is raise peoples prices and increase scammers. You will start seeing BS threads like "1,000 Google + Dripped over 90 days" of course after 10 days, the thread closes that scam fuck gets his money and opens a new thread to repeat, after doing that a couple times, leaves or makes a new account with a new BS service. You would think I am talking about Wa....Forum... at this point...

What about people that have services like mine that are legit, but take up to 90 days? I have seen others that can take up to a month and more. Why would people take the risk on services like ours? That is all it would be in a the end, a huge risk.

This 10 day solution is genius and opens the gates for:

1) hit-and-run 10 day threads. 9 days of lovely reviews and from 10th on no renewal, collect payments and run away with the cash.

2) fake reviews. Providers will come up with pre-reviews etc. and fuck on the 10 days just to get some reviews in by guys they know. Well done.

3) kill new providers with cheaper services. Think what's happening in Greece is tough ? Take a look on India next week.

4) more work for admins who don't give a fuck as they don't get paid - guaranteed some threads will take longer to open than they stay open due to work overload.

5) killing reviews in the thread - best way to mix up the shit with the good stuff

Seriously this is probably one of the biggest mistakes ever made here on WF in my opinion. Closes the gates for both clients and providers for solid business / reviews / getting well reputed threads.

Now I am getting worried!
 
Yeah, whats up with unlocked ( not closed ) sales threads in the BST still running strong with new posts as of today but they are not on a new thread for their service?

I see several old BST treads running fine right now and didnt have to close down and start a new thread...

JB, totally guessing here but it looks like threads started in the last 10 days are live, older ones are not? Again, just a guess. I have no insider knowledge.
 
I agree to pay the fee. Even if it's 100$/month, but, WHY THE THREADS HAVE TO BE CLOSED EVERY 10 DAYS?

That's the only thing we don't get it. Let us pay 100$/month, but leave the threads as they are. Never close them. Some services even have 15 days TAT, what should they do?



Why am I not surprised that people who have been making thousands of dollars a month selling services on here, taking full advantage of there being NO cost until now and from this place having the least amount of fraud and scams than all other forums combined, are suddenly up in arms about having to pay anything.... If you don't agree or like it, go to any of the other places that exist and sell there. No one is stopping you, trust me on that.

I never once claimed that this is the only place that you need to sell or buy at. Nor will I ever, because I absolutely believe that there is not one place that is the end all be all place to buy and sell on the internet.

If the model we have now doesn't work out, we'll change it and adapt to the market so that we can make it work first for us from a time and resource perspective and then from a market perspective, all the while, within our means.

There are plenty of really big and expensive solutions I could apply here that would make this section bigger and better than anything in existence today. But I'm not willing to make that type of investment on my own. The amount of work, effort, and cash alone make it a daunting task. If the point of WickedFire was to make us money and nothing else, then the choice would be quite clear and that's the route I'd go. But its not. Nor will it ever be. Instead, I alluded to partnering with another, much more in-depth and professional third party service that I know of that can do just that, but also compliment our goals here and yours too. However, unfortunately for you guys and perhaps us a bit, that partnership is not absolutely inked yet. They have to accommodate us, and in order to do so, they need to make certain changes to do so. The day that they are ready to roll, that is the day it will be available here and things will really change. Their focus is purely to be a buying and selling platform and nothing more or less. They are neutral from the buyers and sellers, just like we are neutral here from all business between affs and networks and advertisers and everyone else.

Back onto this topic here, stop complaining. If you sell something and you really can't make over $100 a month from it, then this place is not for you. For everyone else that sees how this is a good deal and realizes how they can actually increase their sales volume and revenue and at the same time reduce the friction that fraud, previews and defaming from their competitors here causes.

Its not a perfect solution, and it wasn't supposed to be. Remember that. If you work WITH us then that type of environment helps everyone. If your goal is to sell bullshit and then bitch about how bad we are, then there are so many options elsewhere to choose from and you don't belong here. But if you realize that this is a good plan, and can respect the change, then you are going to certainly continue making money while providing a good business service.

For everyone else who disagrees, tell your God, because he's handling customer support right now for the people who just want to voice their stupid thoughts. I'm sure he has nothing better to do than address your opinions and concern.
 
Why am I not surprised that people who have been making thousands of dollars a month selling services on here, taking full advantage of there being NO cost until now and from this place having the least amount of fraud and scams than all other forums combined, are suddenly up in arms about having to pay anything.... If you don't agree or like it, go to any of the other places that exist and sell there. No one is stopping you, trust me on that.

I never once claimed that this is the only place that you need to sell or buy at. Nor will I ever, because I absolutely believe that there is not one place that is the end all be all place to buy and sell on the internet.

If the model we have now doesn't work out, we'll change it and adapt to the market so that we can make it work first for us from a time and resource perspective and then from a market perspective, all the while, within our means.

There are plenty of really big and expensive solutions I could apply here that would make this section bigger and better than anything in existence today. But I'm not willing to make that type of investment on my own. The amount of work, effort, and cash alone make it a daunting task. If the point of WickedFire was to make us money and nothing else, then the choice would be quite clear and that's the route I'd go. But its not. Nor will it ever be. Instead, I alluded to partnering with another, much more in-depth and professional third party service that I know of that can do just that, but also compliment our goals here and yours too. However, unfortunately for you guys and perhaps us a bit, that partnership is not absolutely inked yet. They have to accommodate us, and in order to do so, they need to make certain changes to do so. The day that they are ready to roll, that is the day it will be available here and things will really change. Their focus is purely to be a buying and selling platform and nothing more or less. They are neutral from the buyers and sellers, just like we are neutral here from all business between affs and networks and advertisers and everyone else.

Back onto this topic here, stop complaining. If you sell something and you really can't make over $100 a month from it, then this place is not for you. For everyone else that sees how this is a good deal and realizes how they can actually increase their sales volume and revenue and at the same time reduce the friction that fraud, previews and defaming from their competitors here causes.

Its not a perfect solution, and it wasn't supposed to be. Remember that. If you work WITH us then that type of environment helps everyone. If your goal is to sell bullshit and then bitch about how bad we are, then there are so many options elsewhere to choose from and you don't belong here. But if you realize that this is a good plan, and can respect the change, then you are going to certainly continue making money while providing a good business service.

For everyone else who disagrees, tell your God, because he's handling customer support right now for the people who just want to voice their stupid thoughts. I'm sure he has nothing better to do than address your opinions and concern.

I hope that it will work and we should accept it,as Jon has mentioned that if it will not work then they will modify it.
 
Ok here is my opinion(if it matters):

Good idea to start charging, gets all the rif raf out. But someone did not think this through. Starting new threads? Whats that about? Simple, pay a monthly fee to post ads, say $30/month and pay per bump of $5-10 per bump. Solves the $ issue and you dont have to start new threads all the time. And 10 days is way too short for anyone to do real sales.

JMO but if this does not change I cannot justify doing things over and over and over like re-posting the same thread when all we should have to to is pay to bump it up.

Thanks
 
Still don't get it.. You say you don't need the money you make from this but still you don't like the idea of a one-time fee.. It would make everything much easier and still weed out the one day sellers
 
Well looks like I won't be doing business here anymore. I understand charging for threads, but $36 for 10 days? C'mon that's ridiculous.

I personally think it should be $10 per thread, and it goes for at least 14 days or 30 days, and only members with X amount of posts should be allowed to make BST threads.
 
Or just make it a subscription. Hell, make it $200/month and leave the threads open for as long as the owner continues paying.

Not that many people are complaining about having to pay a fee. They're mostly concerned about having to make new threads every 10 days. It turns SBT into a classified ads section.

WF rocks. :)
 
Well looks like I won't be doing business here anymore. I understand charging for threads, but $36 for 10 days? C'mon that's ridiculous.

I personally think it should be $10 per thread, and it goes for at least 14 days or 30 days, and only members with X amount of posts should be allowed to make BST threads.
It's fine the way it is.

Oh yeah, it's working too guys. The shit service providers seem to be leaving.
 
No one gives a shit about the money.

All we're asking for is to retain the sales history, feedback, bookmarks, etc. that keeping a thread alive would allow.

The whole point of this was to remove the garbage, locking threads every 10 days makes the garbage look exactly like the established sellers that have their shit together.
 
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