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DirSP said:
I think the reason with JTM enforcing the 1 product/landing page was that people were using 2 offers from different advertisers. One charged the credit card before the trial ended while the other waited until the end of the trial period. The one charged first might be fine but the one charged late might end up with a cancelled credit card. If you read some of the complaints, you will see that some advertisers are charging hundreds before the trial even ended. JTM coming back with the forced double offers is not a bad since they are somewhat more responsible than other advertisers.
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JTM was trying to follow the guidelines and control the use experience the best they could on their own

As a side note you can run any JTM offer at Copeac with any offer as the second, it doesnt have to be another JTM offer it just has to be an offer in the Copeac network. We are the only network JTM is allowing to do this due to our recent guidelines for advertisers and their enforcement.
 
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mkrongel said:
Everyone has some responsibility. A network and publisher has the responsibility to ensure the ads are truthful, call centers, merchant accounts are digging to deep in to the responsibility of the advertisers

It exists on all ends, the network, the advertisers, the publishers, and the media space the ad shows on. The network is in the middle to make sure both sides use common sense. The problem is this. as a network we make all advertisers follow guidelines based on common sense (we imposed guidelines on dec 24th, most pubs ran to the offers taken down yesterday). You as a publisher test it, the offer sucks but that new network started by some guy living out of his car has a killer offer which isn't compliant but it gives you the EPC you need so of course you run it. Now that you took over the ad space that a pub was running a compliant offer on, he now needs to go to that cool network too, and run the same shitty offer to compete with you because you raised bids by 20% due to the awesome performance of the shady offer. How long until the network doing the right thing is going to say F it and bring that advertiser back in to get your business?

Every offer in Copeac has to follow the following rules as of two weeks ago. If you see someone not following contact me so we can redirect them.

No up sells at all.
No use of countdown timers or only xx orders left language,
No use of celebrities without consent (this applies to pubs more),
Must respond to all BBB complaints,
Cannot rebill twice in a 30 day period,
Clear disclosure of terms in a 12 point font or larger within close proximity of the submit button. No confusing certificates which use satisfaction guaranteed language.

I will tell you, since making these choices some advertisers told us they will just work with another network not asking them to do this, and pubs have decided to work with those networks. In the end i know those helping bad advertisers wont be paid, and in a way i am happy some people hold out, since they will be the ones hit by large non-payment for the media ran and hopefully will be pushed out of the space

So unless EVERYONE makes a push in the right direction, one force cannot do it. I do know many networks want to make these same changes but are fearful of the loss they can take if others are allowed to bend the rules because they dont care about the long term

In the end everyone plays a role especially the publishers. you control the demand, if demand is pushing for a shady offer, then shady offer is what youll see.

If all the networks force their advertisers to follow simple common sense guidelines that prevents them from going to the dark side to get traffic and publishers dont support the shady offers this market might be around past Jan 10th.

Those who say Adapt, how can you adapt in a monopoly where the monopoly partner (Visa/MC) CEO's have made it a mission to clean this industry up or force them out of the market?
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I appreciate if you are doing so... Really appreciate....

Sam
 
mkrongel said:
So you're going to go through your 3000 offers and pull anyone not adhering to the same rules?

It only works if everyone does the same.
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Or more likely he's just sig spamming. Cuz that made no sense.
 
mkrongel said:
So you're going to go through your 3000 offers and pull anyone not adhering to the same rules?

It only works if everyone does the same.
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I believe he means he appreciates all the customers he's getting that prefer to work with scammier things.
 
"No use of countdown timers or only xx orders left language"

is that REALLY a serious issue that results in being non-compliant?
 
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j0hnny said:
"No use of countdown timers or only xx orders left language"

is that REALLY a serious issue that results in being non-compliant?
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Most of your posts have been completely useless and mindless drivel but I gotta admit this one hit close to home.
 
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j0hnny said:
"No use of countdown timers or only xx orders left language"

is that REALLY a serious issue that results in being non-compliant?
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FerrisHilton said:
Most of your posts have been completely useless and mindless drivel but I gotta admit this one hit close to home.
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Yeah is there a in depth reason for this? Is it just because it is a blatant lie and they [ftc] dont like that?
 
I'm especially interested in the countdown timers issue cause I know its a very popular feature of Smart Tools. But, more importantly really, I want to congratulate Mike for running a business that aims to maximize long term profits instead of just trying to scoop up a pile of money now and run.

You're a good guy, mkrongel.
 
j0hnny said:
"No use of countdown timers or only xx orders left language"

is that REALLY a serious issue that results in being non-compliant?
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I should clarify this. I say no timers, countdowns or just XX left if its not true, the advertiser needs to demonstrate that once the countdown is over, or once XX are sold the offer expires. It has no impact on conversions. Consumers are smart.

Most offers have gone up in EPC with full disclosure, consumers know, be honest and they will buy, trick them and they will see it and run away,

One of our colon offers conversions improved 17% overall, it would be about 1 - 1.5% better than before. The terms are in the middle of the page and to the left of the submit button. Our teeth campaigns went up as well.

Not all have gone up in conversions but thats something for the advertisers to work on.
 
mkrongel said:
I should clarify this. I say no timers, countdowns or just XX left if its not true, the advertiser needs to demonstrate that once the countdown is over, or once XX are sold the offer expires. It has no impact on conversions. Consumers are smart.

Most offers have gone up in EPC with full disclosure, consumers know, be honest and they will buy, trick them and they will see it and run away,

One of our colon offers conversions improved 17% overall, it would be about 1 - 1.5% better than before. The terms are in the middle of the page and to the left of the submit button. Our teeth campaigns went up as well.

Not all have gone up in conversions but thats something for the advertisers to work on.
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This is true. My own result has shown that not much difference between full disclosure campaign vs non-disclosure ones. I don't know how many affiliates read the complaints, but you will learn ALOT. The customers know what a free trial is and know they have to cancel within the trial period, but just that the advertiser wouldn't let them cancel. Some customers didn't even care about the charge and just want to cancel.
 
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