After Tomorrow No More Rebills

That 'guy' is the Mentor.


Ever considered the possibility that 'that kind of ROI and profit' exists BECAUSE they rebill like this? :party-smiley-004:

No dude, the ROI is pretty damn good so thats no argument. Its comes down to how greedy the company is. It takes money to maintain a business but some of these people just want it all.

Its one thing charging the customer with something they actually signed up, I am all over that, thats ok. But not letting them cancel, not taking care of the buyers is a whole other thing.

Of course if they are more customer concious we would'nt be able to get the $42 payout some give but it is hell of a frigging lot better than banks turning down on rebills, dont you think?

Hell I dont know man, but its just common sense that some companies need to get their act together. I dont own an acai brand, dont think I ever will get into that kind of venture, but at least some basic business principles should apply.
 


Don't CPA Networks have some responsibility to actually make sure there advertisers have Clear and legit TOS,Call Centers,and diverse Merchant Accounts. CPA Networks don't and never have allow certain scammy Pubs in there network. Why do they allow jerk off advertisers? They need to work on being more in-depth on approving advertisers. Then this type of stuff would not happen. I believe the CPA Networks need to take a stand and step up their game only allowing certain advertisers in there Network. CPA Networks brought this to the market by opening the doors for shady advertisers. Its not the responsibility for Pubs to review each advertisers. That's part of the freakin job of the Networks. What the hell I'm paying for

Everyone has some responsibility. A network and publisher has the responsibility to ensure the ads are truthful, call centers, merchant accounts are digging to deep in to the responsibility of the advertisers

It exists on all ends, the network, the advertisers, the publishers, and the media space the ad shows on. The network is in the middle to make sure both sides use common sense. The problem is this. as a network we make all advertisers follow guidelines based on common sense (we imposed guidelines on dec 24th, most pubs ran to the offers taken down yesterday). You as a publisher test it, the offer sucks but that new network started by some guy living out of his car has a killer offer which isn't compliant but it gives you the EPC you need so of course you run it. Now that you took over the ad space that a pub was running a compliant offer on, he now needs to go to that cool network too, and run the same shitty offer to compete with you because you raised bids by 20% due to the awesome performance of the shady offer. How long until the network doing the right thing is going to say F it and bring that advertiser back in to get your business?

Every offer in Copeac has to follow the following rules as of two weeks ago. If you see someone not following contact me so we can redirect them.

No up sells at all.
No use of countdown timers or only xx orders left language,
No use of celebrities without consent (this applies to pubs more),
Must respond to all BBB complaints,
Cannot rebill twice in a 30 day period,
Clear disclosure of terms in a 12 point font or larger within close proximity of the submit button. No confusing certificates which use satisfaction guaranteed language.

I will tell you, since making these choices some advertisers told us they will just work with another network not asking them to do this, and pubs have decided to work with those networks. In the end i know those helping bad advertisers wont be paid, and in a way i am happy some people hold out, since they will be the ones hit by large non-payment for the media ran and hopefully will be pushed out of the space

So unless EVERYONE makes a push in the right direction, one force cannot do it. I do know many networks want to make these same changes but are fearful of the loss they can take if others are allowed to bend the rules because they dont care about the long term

In the end everyone plays a role especially the publishers. you control the demand, if demand is pushing for a shady offer, then shady offer is what youll see.

If all the networks force their advertisers to follow simple common sense guidelines that prevents them from going to the dark side to get traffic and publishers dont support the shady offers this market might be around past Jan 10th.

Those who say Adapt, how can you adapt in a monopoly where the monopoly partner (Visa/MC) CEO's have made it a mission to clean this industry up or force them out of the market?
 
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Don't CPA Networks have some responsibility to actually make sure there advertisers have Clear and legit TOS,Call Centers,and diverse Merchant Accounts. CPA Networks don't and never have allow certain scammy Pubs in there network. Why do they allow jerk off advertisers? They need to work on being more in-depth on approving advertisers. Then this type of stuff would not happen. I believe the CPA Networks need to take a stand and step up their game only allowing certain advertisers in there Network. CPA Networks brought this to the market by opening the doors for shady advertisers. Its not the responsibility for Pubs to review each advertisers. That's part of the freakin job of the Networks. What the hell I'm paying for? And any Network says they arent paying cause advertisers screwed them well then your screw up need to review you advertisers better.


Thats what I was going to say. Like copeac, they should get rid of the advertisers that aren't compliant and what not.

Women lie, Men lie. Numbers don't lie.
 
Everyone has some responsibility. A network and publisher has the responsibility to ensure the ads are truthful, call centers, merchant accounts are digging to deep in to the responsibility of the advertisers

It exists on all ends, the network, the advertisers, the publishers, and the media space the ad shows on. The network is in the middle to make sure both sides use common sense. The problem is this. as a network we make all advertisers follow guidelines based on common sense (we imposed guidelines on dec 24th, most pubs ran to the offers taken down yesterday). You as a publisher test it, the offer sucks but that new network started by some guy living out of his car has a killer offer which isn't compliant but it gives you the EPC you need so of course you run it. Now that you took over the ad space that a pub was running a compliant offer on, he now needs to go to that cool network too, and run the same shitty offer to compete with you because you raised bids by 20% due to the awesome performance of the shady offer. How long until the network doing the right thing is going to say F it and bring that advertiser back in to get your business?

Every offer in Copeac has to follow the following rules as of two weeks ago. If you see someone not following contact me so we can redirect them.

No up sells at all.
No use of countdown timers or only xx orders left language,
No use of celebrities without consent (this applies to pubs more),
Must respond to all BBB complaints,
Cannot rebill twice in a 30 day period,
Clear disclosure of terms in a 12 point font or larger within close proximity of the submit button. No confusing certificates which use satisfaction guaranteed language.

I will tell you, since making these choices some advertisers told us they will just work with another network not asking them to do this, and pubs have decided to work with those networks. In the end i know those helping bad advertisers wont be paid, and in a way i am happy some people hold out, since they will be the ones hit by large non-payment for the media ran and hopefully will be pushed out of the space

So unless EVERYONE makes a push in the right direction, one force cannot do it. I do know many networks want to make these same changes but are fearful of the loss they can take if others are allowed to bend the rules because they dont care about the long term

In the end everyone plays a role especially the publishers. you control the demand, if demand is pushing for a shady offer, then shady offer is what youll see.

If all the networks force their advertisers to follow simple common sense guidelines that prevents them from going to the dark side to get traffic and publishers dont support the shady offers this market might be around past Jan 10th.

Those who say Adapt, how can you adapt in a monopoly where the monopoly partner (Visa/MC) CEO's have made it a mission to clean this industry up or force them out of the market?


I think that the major killer there is no upsells.
If you didn't have that on your list I bet a lot of the advertisers will stay on and adapt because that is a major source of the revenue.
There isn't anything wrong with upsells as long as they are done in a legitimate way. Hell, just about all online stores upsell with their "related products" page before checkout
 
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I think that the major killer there is no upsells.
If you didn't have that on your list I bet a lot of the advertisers will stay on and adapt because that is a major source of the revenue.
There isn't anything wrong with upsells as long as they are done in a legitimate way. Hell, just about all online stores upsell with their "related products" page before checkout

There is a huge difference between offering the consumer the option to opt in and buy related products and forcing them into $200/month upsells which they are informed of in size 6 gray text on a white background.
 
There is a huge difference between offering the consumer the option to opt in and buy related products and forcing them into $200/month upsells which they are informed of in size 6 gray text on a white background.

Thus, i said as long as they are done in legitimate ways. Such as on our system the upsells clearly display the price of what is added to the cart with no recurring billing, and they even see a sample of the receipt before they buy so they know exactly what they are being billed for. Of course what you stated is completely illegitimate, but up selling overall is fine as long as it is executed correctly.

A suggestion to copeac- The removal of upsells may reduce the amount they can pay you guys per lead, so you should limit the use of upsells by their content, not remove them overall
 
Hey Ruck,

What happened to you closing your blog?

"I’ve decided to shut down the C2M blog. Honestly it’s sort of a joke anyway. Every single one of the affiliate network blogs I’ve seen are complete jokes as well. When I look at them I cant help but to laugh uncontrollably."
 
I think that the major killer there is no upsells.
If you didn't have that on your list I bet a lot of the advertisers will stay on and adapt because that is a major source of the revenue.
There isn't anything wrong with upsells as long as they are done in a legitimate way. Hell, just about all online stores upsell with their "related products" page before checkout

Forced upsales are bad. Checkbox upsales or opt in up sales can be really good imo
 
Bottom line is these "type" of rebills are going bye-bye. No matter what anyone says the writing is on the fucking wall. There are too many forces coming down on this Attorney General,FTC,congress(i.e. upsells),Ad Networks,Visa and Mastercard,etc etc. This reminds me of the mortgage industry remember when you could buy a house with no money down, subprime loans, and negative option arm loans? What happened to all those companies like WAMU and Countrywide. Well just like that regulations happens. So the "good ol days" ain't going to be so good today. If things don't get a handle then Mastercard and Visa like i said month ago will fine merchant accounts and even pull the plug on them if they have these type of offers. So no way in hell is a merchant account going to run "these" type of rebills and risk their biz. Im sure way too many people have money riding on this gravy train but learn to "adapt" BUT in "OTHER VERTICALS" and you will not be so stressed out that's including the CPA,Pubs,and fly by night advertisers. Have a Great NEW YEARS!! Good Night and Good luck. God Speed!

This is just another cycle like incentive offer,email/zip submit,mobile offers, and rebills. Enjoy the ride another day another dollar :)
 
Hey Ruck,

What happened to you closing your blog?

"I’ve decided to shut down the C2M blog. Honestly it’s sort of a joke anyway. Every single one of the affiliate network blogs I’ve seen are complete jokes as well. When I look at them I cant help but to laugh uncontrollably."

HUR DUR

(Edit Getting flooded with donts, just post whenever) Ok so the blog is in turmoil, will possibly be used as a news source or something but dont expect much.


C2M Blog Is Closing | Convert2Media
 
Forced upsales are bad. Checkbox upsales or opt in up sales can be really good imo

this fucking exactly. Anyone ever heard of Godaddy? Yea I know most of you think they suck ass for reasons most consumers wouldn't care about, but they are the king of opt in upsells and I'd love to see their numbers on that shit.
 
I think that the major killer there is no upsells.
If you didn't have that on your list I bet a lot of the advertisers will stay on and adapt because that is a major source of the revenue.
There isn't anything wrong with upsells as long as they are done in a legitimate way. Hell, just about all online stores upsell with their "related products" page before checkout

Yes, I agree totally. I think it is ok to offer upsells, but I can see not wanting to have advertisers that make you negative option out of an upsell being a problem.
 
seriously everyone go back to college to get a degree so you can get a job cause affiliate marketing is dead