2013 UFO ALIEN DISCLOSURE by Canadian Minister of Defense

I think this guy is mostly full of shit, there are marked changes in his 'testimony' from what he was saying in 2005. The "UFO Community" is really an industry where people who used to have some kind of government job can stand up and get paid to tell stories. They have been trying since 2005 to get this guy in their lineup. I'm surprised more people on here can't see the marketing going on.

It gets like this because you do have some folks who have interesting (not necessarily UFO) stories from their old jobs, but people will only pay to hear that story for so long, so new elements get added in over time so they can stay on the circuit.

You can identify one of their sites because it looks like it was ported directly from Geocities; for the same reason we used to have shitty design for adsense sites. They don't suck at site development, they split test the hell out of them. They will also get $5 shared hosting to host a podcast or even a live stream. When it goes down, people will say it was because so many people tried to hit it at once. Or that the CIA took it down.

They all generally stick to the same base narrative, and variations will follow whatever trend is happening at the time. The trend right now is about super-soldiers having some kind of secret war against the 'cabal' (as described in the Prison Break TV show), while occasionally taking a break from the action to report on their wordpress.com blog.
 


Every night, I pray to Sky Daddy for alien abduction and anal probing, every morning I wake up disappointed. Maybe tonight...
 
bodiddley said:
Hopefully they would allow for the fact (or at least possibility) that their "gods" were in fact ETs. Maybe then they'd have the sense to kill their cows for food and kill their caste system. Me rikey.

And one other possible benefit is that dumbass humans would focus less on their differences & actually have a chance to get along a little better

needless to say, the implications of an officially sanctioned disclosure would be widespread and profound..
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#1 the Hindu philosophy doesn't demand a belief in a god's actual physical and living body, since they are allegorical representations of facets of the universe. So there's still no need for your Daniken paleo-contact jive talk. Me rikey.

#2 You need to look up "syncretism" so you'd understand that that means that Hindu's have the longest track record for accommodating and absorbing other belief systems into their own, since there's no exclusionary claims going on anyways.

#3 if you are waiting on "officially sanctioned" anything you are waiting on lies.
 
mituozo said:
Argument from authority - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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People can be interested and/or "believe" something, without making an argument that there is available definitive proof of said thing.

If Obama stands behind a podium and says that aliens have visited earth, the world would become interested and most would believe him. If someone were to say that Obama's words are proof that aliens have visited, that would be an argument from authority, but someone saying "OMG, did you hear what Obama said?" would not be.
 
Kiopa_Matt said:
I'm kinda wondering why the hell they'd want to visit us too. Not to degrade us or anything, but we're hardly interesting, nor do we have much to offer.

We don't know that. Loads of scientists believe it's possible to bend space / time, and transport ourselves. 500 years ago, the thought of traveling to the other side of the world in a day was simply unimaginable. Pretty common place now.

There's billions of planets out there, and there's a good chance we're still just scraping the surface of what's actually out there. To peg us humans highly on the intellectual totem pole is pretty closed minded, and ignorant if you ask me.
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I readily concede all those points. However, the thought that these ridiculously advanced and intelligent beings are visiting our planet, purposefully staying hidden from the general population, but also somehow are in cahoots with the political leaders of the world, behind the scenes, is ludicrous. If extraterrestrial UFOs were actually visiting earth, everyone would know about them, or nobody at all would know about them.
 
LOL.

You people will GLADLY accept Sandy Hook being all "True". And you WERE NOT even there, you only HEARD the TV/news. You have ZERO proof of the real story, since you we're again NOT on the "Scene". Remember, you NEVER saw the schools inside camera footage of what really happened, so in short you were just "believing other people".

But when it comes to Aliens...

OH NO. Can't believe that until I get hard proof, I have to witness it myself, etc, etc. That guy and the thousands of other people talking about are lying, etc, etc.

....

Seriously? So much flawed logic.

People will believe whatever they want to, and come up with excuses for what they don't...
 
contract said:
LOL.

You people will GLADLY accept Sandy Hook being all "True". And you WERE NOT even there, you only HEARD the TV/news. You have ZERO proof of the real story, since you we're again NOT on the "Scene". Remember, you NEVER saw the schools inside camera footage of what really happened, so in short you were just "believing other people".

But when it comes to Aliens...

OH NO. Can't believe that until I get hard proof, I have to witness it myself, etc, etc. That guy and the thousands of other people talking about are lying, etc, etc.

....

Seriously? So much flawed logic.

People will believe whatever they want to, and come up with excuses for what they don't...
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It's entirely reasonable to have different standards of accepting a story depending on your past experiences.

If you tell me it's raining outside, I'd take your word for it. If you told me it's raining floppy cocks outside, I'd say "Bullshit" and want to see all those floppy cocks for myself.

I've seen violence and terrorism first hand so I'm less likely to question a school shooting. I haven't ever seen any UFOs or aliens.
 
But what's interesting...

If you go all the way back to 2004 to witnesses/reports.

You'll see stories of credible and non credible people describing the aliens in the same manner as people are today, nearly 10 years later.

.....

You would think if it was all some bullshit, there would a TON of variations over time. Because when people lie they tend to get the facts wrong. (ie. Aliens are purple, round and have red eyes). The story never changed if you dig into a bit, it's always been chalk-grey skin, short nose, tall larger than humans, holes in their ears that are flush against the skin, etc, etc. I could go on..

It becomes pretty clear who's just making things up, and who actually has a real idea or experience..
 
contract said:
LOL.

You people will GLADLY accept Sandy Hook being all "True". And you WERE NOT even there, you only HEARD the TV/news. You have ZERO proof of the real story, since you we're again NOT on the "Scene". Remember, you NEVER saw the schools inside camera footage of what really happened, so in short you were just "believing other people".

But when it comes to Aliens...

OH NO. Can't believe that until I get hard proof, I have to witness it myself, etc, etc. That guy and the thousands of other people talking about are lying, etc, etc.

....

Seriously? So much flawed logic.

People will believe whatever they want to, and come up with excuses for what they don't...
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Flawed logic indeed...
 
mkultra said:
It's entirely reasonable to have different standards of accepting a story depending on your past experiences.

If you tell me it's raining outside, I'd take your word for it. If you told me it's raining floppy cocks outside, I'd say "Bullshit" and want to see all those floppy cocks for myself.

I've seen violence and terrorism first hand so I'm less likely to question a school shooting. I haven't ever seen any UFOs or aliens.
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While I understand this, we are living in a MASSIVE universe. We know theirs other planets/stars/etc out there, and can prove it. The only thing we haven't proven is their is life outside of it with hard evidence.. But in reality, if our planet was able to produce life that's crazy to think we're the only place that can.

Not only that but we've taken trips to the moon in outer space. If we were able to do it, who's to say other's can't. We have proof that traveling in space is entirely possible.

There may be no "proof" of UFO's, but in reality we're flying around planes in the Sky, sending shuttles deep into outer space. So it's proven that you can fly, leave the planet, travel to another one, etc..

The only thing that people question about is the distance. If we can travel to the moon, it would be damn easy for another more advanced/longer lived planet to travel to the earth. Say they started 100 years before us, imagine how much better their technology would be.
 
contract said:
But what's interesting...

If you go all the way back to 2004 to witnesses/reports.

You'll see stories of credible and non credible people describing the aliens in the same manner as people are today, nearly 10 years later.

.....

You would think if it was all some bullshit, there would a TON of variations over time. Because when people lie they tend to get the facts wrong. (ie. Aliens are purple, round and have red eyes). The story never changed if you dig into a bit, it's always been chalk-grey skin, short nose, tall larger than humans, holes in their ears that are flush against the skin, etc, etc. I could go on..

It becomes pretty clear who's just making things up, and who actually has a real idea or experience..
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That could easily be chalked up to past stories affecting people's impressions of what they saw or the story they tell. If I wanted to make up a story about aliens, my description of them would also be grey, tall, slender humanoids.

Again, I'm only going by my own experiences here:

  • in my experience people will lie and make up stories to make themselves more interesting/popular or to fit in with other people who "believe" the same thing. people also believe crazy made up stories based on what other people have told them in the past (i.e. religion).
  • in my experience, I've never seen aliens or reasonable evidence of aliens.
For those reasons, I would need substantial proof that all those people aren't lying or just looney, before I could believe any of their stories.



contract said:
While I understand this, we are living in a MASSIVE universe. We know theirs other planets/stars/etc out there, and can prove it. The only thing we haven't proven is their is life outside of it with hard evidence.. But in reality, if our planet was able to produce life that's crazy to think we're the only place that can.

Not only that but we've taken trips to the moon in outer space. If we were able to do it, who's to say other's can't. We have proof that traveling in space is entirely possible.

There may be no "proof" of UFO's, but in reality we're flying around planes in the Sky, sending shuttles deep into outer space. So it's proven that you can fly, leave the planet, travel to another one, etc..

The only thing that people question about is the distance. If we can travel to the moon, it would be damn easy for another more advanced/longer lived planet to travel to the earth. Say they started 100 years before us, imagine how much better their technology would be.
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Agree with all this, in an infinitely large universe, everything that can exist does exist (in fact in an infinitely large universe, there's a 100% statistical chance that there's another *exact* copy of you if you go far enough). The trouble becomes both distance and time. The nearest "civilization" to us might have existed 3 billion years ago, or might come to be 2 billion years from now. Even if we were close enough in space and time, how would they locate us? Our most distant radio waves are barely 100 light years away, thats a miniscule distance!

The point isn't that it isn't possible, just that it's really really unlikely that they are here and it isn't SUPER obvious that they're here.
 
mkultra said:
I readily concede all those points. However, the thought that these ridiculously advanced and intelligent beings are visiting our planet, purposefully staying hidden from the general population, but also somehow are in cahoots with the political leaders of the world, behind the scenes, is ludicrous. If extraterrestrial UFOs were actually visiting earth, everyone would know about them, or nobody at all would know about them.
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Do you have access to the NATO and NORAD surveillance systems and satellites? I know I don't, but maybe the rest of the general public does, and I'm just missing out. Or do you have the resources to deploy quick response teams, and have helicopters with armed soldiers to fly out when an unidentified flying object lands somewhere?
 
Kiopa_Matt said:
Do you have access to the NATO and NORAD surveillance systems and satellites? I know I don't, but maybe the rest of the general public does, and I'm just missing out. Or do you have the resources to deploy quick response teams, and have helicopters with armed soldiers to fly out when an unidentified flying object lands somewhere?
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I believe in UFOs. I think there's departments of the US government and other governments that have classified aircraft that aren't readily identifiable, even to members of the airforce. I believe the government would readily lie about any classified aircraft or make up stories if need be. They certainly wouldn't say "oh don't scrabble the jets, that's just our secret new aircraft".

I believe that the idea of Aliens, 3 or 4 different speices, working hand in hand with the government and sharing technology with us (as stated by the gentleman in OPs video), is a fine science fiction story and nothing more.
 
bluechinagroup said:
I'd say it's a safe bet that there's at least one or more highly intelligent forms of alien life that may be superior to ourselves. However I still doubt that they visited us, and I still stand by the fact that any kind of intergalactic journey is going to be highly resource intensive. Aliens aren't going to simply be visiting us for the fuck of it.
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If there are super advanced life forms anywhere in the universe, they are probably very aware of the existence of other super advanced life forms in the universe. Since scarcity of resources must be problematic for lifeforms all around the universe, wouldn't it make sense to use super advanced alien technology to conceal your presence/resources?

Think about the technology we have today to observe our galactic neighbors. If there were other lifeforms capable of traveling here, it's impossible to imagine what other crazy technology they would have. Wouldn't it be in the best interest of the lifeforms living on whatever planet to use their technology to basically become invisible to whatever other lifeforms are snooping around the area looking for resources?

My point is, maybe they're not traveling from as far away as we might think. And, maybe we have an abundance of certain resources here that they are interested in. Maybe the demand for cats on their planet is like the demand for lobsters here.

Oh and why the hell would they want us to know they were here? Can you imagine if you traveled to some primitive ass world where lifeforms of the same species were killing each other all the time in massive numbers? Would you want to draw any attention to yourself?
 
avatar33 said:
To those who believe, no explanation is necessary.

To those who don't, none will suffice.

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I can make the same case to argue Santa Claus or Jesus are real too.

I think every skeptic would gladly eat their words if any *tangible* evidence was produced. You know, a rocket ship or a little green man in a government warehouse, or anything that scientists and news outlets could see first hand. Testimony from rednecks and blurry videos don't count, anyone can pull off some special effects these days.
 
If Aliens actually visited Earth, it would be VERY easy to prove without a doubt that they exist to the vast majority of people.

A combination of a few of these would satisfy me,

A peer-reviewed analysis of an unknown alloy or physical item that could only have been conceived by science and physics much more advanced than ours. One so advanced that it would require a new branch of physics or chemistry to even be explained in the first place.

Peer-reviewed scientific information regarding current phenomena that we are 50 years behind on.

Gigapixel photography of another planet, including some of species in a biopsy, including some tissue samples. All of which would be analyzed under peer review by unconnected scientific establishments around the world.

Other forms of data which couldn't be obtained with our current and even unknown technology here on Earth. Such as the entire contents of another planets equivalent to the internet being uploaded on our Earth servers for the entire public domain to observe, scrutinize and organize into a coherent system which we could learn from.

An autopsy of a deceased alien publicized fully, held in public for individual recordings, and containing doctors with great public records from all over the globe, also recorded and transmitted live in HD from multiple angles to remove the possibility of any editing.

Here's what doesn't do it for me,

People speaking.
 
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