2013 UFO ALIEN DISCLOSURE by Canadian Minister of Defense

Strong empiric evidence

Physical Evidence as in seeing, touching, taken pictures of (enough to be sure it is real or taken them myself), samples, etc..

As for the "do aliens exist?" part - I am pretty sure that there are aliens out there.. simple number games.

As for Aliens VISITING this planet?

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emp said:
Strong empiric evidence

Physical Evidence as in seeing, touching, taken pictures of (enough to be sure it is real or taken them myself), samples, etc..

As for the "do aliens exist?" part - I am pretty sure that there are aliens out there.. simple number games.

As for Aliens VISITING this planet?

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From Wikipedia:

Empirical evidence is a source of knowledge acquired by means of observation or experimentation.
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We have thousands of reports of people "seeing things". At which point does it become "empirical"? Or does it need to be observed numerous times by a "trusted" source, e.g. a scientists?

I also agree with existing vs visiting. I actually implied "visiting". And yes, it is a numbers thing.

Fermi paradox - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

By similar logic, if we have 1000s of people producing reports. What are the chances that ALL of them are wrongfully interpreted visuals or made up stories?
 
Sorry, if there are enough aliens around to create thousands of these reports...

Why do we only have grainy footage, out of focus, shaky handcam shots, black and white pictures, "alleged former CIA agents on the deathbed", etc, etc...

Proof by simple numbers of reports?

So take your pick

https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/burden-of-proof
https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/bandwagon
https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/anecdotal

Actually, take all of them.
Especially the burden of proof one - You think aliens visit the earth? Prove it.

Physical evidence - drag a fucking alien in front of a modern handycam in daylight at least.
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moltar said:
I am not saying the guy in the video is 100% and legit, I posted it for education and discussion reasons. However, I want to make one serious point.

What will it take, to convince you that aliens do exists? Now, we do not believe common people, because they are "cookey" and just "seeing things". We do not believe authority, because they probably have an agenda, and it is an "authority bias", so must not be true.

So the only valid option is to see one yourself. Now, if you do see one yourself. How can you be sure that it was a real thing and you weren't just hallucinating? How would you verify that to yourself? And then, how would you prove that to others? Would you even talk about it, or keep it mostly to yourself for not being labelled as "cookey"?

So, finally, I'll repeat the question: what will it take to convince you, that aliens do exist?
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Actual proof and not some bullshit story. Baffles my mind how people can lap this shit up as 100% fact. Where's the fucking evidence for a single damn thing that he just said.
 
still waiting for a UFO (with aliens inside) to go down in a populated area so that is finally confirmed they are visiting us.

Not likely to happen, these beings are probably thousands or years ahead of us and never ever make stupid mistakes when flying their ships.
 
emp said:
Another argument from authority, this time with some added ingredients for the conspiracy nuts.

"anonymous", "alleged CIA", "deathbed", "undisclosed location" etc..

How can you people OF ALL not recognize when you are being sold?

Marketing techniques 101 anyone?
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The morons eating this shit up aren't even marketers. They're wannabe keyboard jocks like Lukep.
 
Why not be open minded and just have no stand either way? It is the easiest thing to do really, not believe anything and have no opinion.

Only if we are in state like that can we observe without bias.
 
For me to believe it I need either a mountain of guys at least as high up as him screaming to the world that this shit if for real, or I need a body to be shown or a living one or some of this other worldly technology to be shown to us.

Really though why a cover up if it's real? If they have known about it so long, surely something concrete would been smuggled out. Plus it's the government, they aren't exactly efficient. So im still highly skeptical.
 
Cool, but not exactly surprising. To think we're alone in this universe is pretty bloody ignorant, and short-sighted if you ask me.

My only question is, why the hell are the aliens visiting us? What can we possibly offer them? Maybe I'm wrong, but I'm assuming us humans rank pretty low on the intellectual totem pole, compared to other species who have the capability of whizzing around the universe to visit us.

As for the people questioning the existence of aliens, really??? It's already very much fact that there's literally billions of planets out there, and you believe out of them all, there's just us? That's it? Come on, you can't possibly think that.
 
Haven't any of you seen the documentary District 9? The aliens are already here living in South Africa. They have camps for them.

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You guys talk about this like it's new's??? I bet most of you were not even born yet when this all started

Read up on ancient history here... Paul Hellyer - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

When the Liberals returned to power in the 1963 election, Hellyer became Minister of National Defence

On 3 June 1967, Hellyer flew in by helicopter to officially inaugurate an Unidentified flying object landing pad in St. Paul, Alberta. The town had built the landing pad as its Canadian Centennial celebration project, and as a symbol of keeping space free from human warfare....

In early September 2005, Hellyer made headlines by publicly announcing that he believed in UFOs.









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Kiopa_Matt said:
As for the people questioning the existence of aliens, really??? It's already very much fact that there's literally billions of planets out there, and you believe out of them all, there's just us? That's it? Come on, you can't possibly think that.
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Nobody is questioning the existence of aliens. I believe there is biological life outside of earth without a doubt.

I am merely skeptical of the fact that aliens visited us. It would be a very resource intensive journey and the aliens would be limited to traveling near the speed of light.

Also although life outside of Earth is probably pretty common, highly intelligent life forms that are capable of developing space craft that can travel near the speed of light is another matter.
 
bluechinagroup said:
Nobody is questioning the existence of aliens. I believe there is biological life outside of earth without a doubt.

I am merely skeptical of the fact that aliens visited us. It would be a very resource intensive journey and the aliens would be limited to traveling near the speed of light.

Also although life outside of Earth is probably pretty common, highly intelligent life forms that are capable of developing space craft that can travel near the speed of light is another matter.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alcubierre_drive
 
Considering the number of defense ministers that served in western countries (or whatever category may seem like a credible source), by the law of large numbers, OF COURSE there will be 1 guy who saw aliens....1 guy who saw loch ness monster, 1 guy who saw bigfoot, 2 guys who had virgin mary appear in front of them, 10 of them talked to god personally....
 
bluechinagroup said:
I am merely skeptical of the fact that aliens visited us.
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I'm kinda wondering why the hell they'd want to visit us too. Not to degrade us or anything, but we're hardly interesting, nor do we have much to offer.

bluechinagroup said:
It would be a very resource intensive journey
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We don't know that. Loads of scientists believe it's possible to bend space / time, and transport ourselves. 500 years ago, the thought of traveling to the other side of the world in a day was simply unimaginable. Pretty common place now.

bluechinagroup said:
Also although life outside of Earth is probably pretty common, highly intelligent life forms that are capable of developing space craft that can travel near the speed of light is another matter.
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There's billions of planets out there, and there's a good chance we're still just scraping the surface of what's actually out there. To peg us humans highly on the intellectual totem pole is pretty closed minded, and ignorant if you ask me.
 
bluechinagroup said:
Nobody is questioning the existence of aliens. I believe there is biological life outside of earth without a doubt.

I am merely skeptical of the fact that aliens visited us. It would be a very resource intensive journey and the aliens would be limited to traveling near the speed of light.

Also although life outside of Earth is probably pretty common, highly intelligent life forms that are capable of developing space craft that can travel near the speed of light is another matter.
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I think humans just can't believe in something that so far seems impossible. Remember only years ago everyone thought flight was impossible until someone came up with a way to fly. So it's just impossible until Nasa invents a solution.

However it's just a matter of evolution. It's not to far fetched that an intelligent life form, from another planet that has been living 100,000 years longer than us, would have developed technology that could easily allow them to travel in space with ease.

I just think space is too big, inifinite aparently. So if that's true and earth is like the size of a grain of sand in the ocean then really I don't see it as being that hard to believe.

@Matt: They might not be here for us. They might be here for resources. They might need sea water or gold or something we don't even know exists here. They might just be trying to socialize. Or maybe they know where we will be in a 1000 years and would rather us as an Ally. They might be trying to observe evolution and the impact that seeing ET's has on our world.
 
Kiopa_Matt said:
I'm kinda wondering why the hell they'd want to visit us too. Not to degrade us or anything, but we're hardly interesting, nor do we have much to offer.
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We must be quite a quagmire. On one hand we have a long history of brutality, violence and other terrible stuff. On the other hand we have a rich history of culture, invention, art, etc.

Also we made thriller
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Kiopa_Matt said:
We don't know that. Loads of scientists believe it's possible to bend space / time, and transport ourselves. 500 years ago, the thought of traveling to the other side of the world in a day was simply unimaginable. Pretty common place now
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The mainstream scientific view is that it's not possible to go faster than the speed of light. There are some theories (like one that was posted here) on potential loopholes around this limitation, but it is still highly resource intensive and problematic.

Kiopa_Matt said:
There's billions of planets out there, and there's a good chance we're still just scraping the surface of what's actually out there. To peg us humans highly on the intellectual totem pole is pretty closed minded, and ignorant if you ask me.
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I never said that there isn't life that is intellectually superior than us. I'm not disputing that, so stop putting words in my mouth. However intelligent life isn't nearly as as common as lower forms of life.

I'd say it's a safe bet that there's at least one or more highly intelligent forms of alien life that may be superior to ourselves. However I still doubt that they visited us, and I still stand by the fact that any kind of intergalactic journey is going to be highly resource intensive. Aliens aren't going to simply be visiting us for the fuck of it.
 
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