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Here are my current stats w/ arbitrage

12.10.2006 8:05PM
202 clicks spent $12.57
125 clicks earned $29.68
profit - $17.11

I am averaging around $12-$18/day currently.

I have a few questions.
1) Is there a way to track each niche so i know if certain keywords are converting or not?
2) How many 1 pg sites does everyone create in a day?
3) What are other good programs other then 7search?
4) What's the most I can make in a month on PPC Arbitrage.
 


Started up my first automation of arbi yesterday. Generated 47 sites in a matter of 4 seconds :D

BUT.... still the big hurdle to me is how to speed up the process of creating the campaigns in 7search. I mean, it takes on average 5 minutes at least to set up each campaign with ad text, keyword list, bids, etc...

Even if I can generate 150 sites in 15 seconds, I still have to set up 150 campaigns in 7search. That's 150 sites x 5 minutes = 750 minutes = 12+ hours worth of nonstop campaign setup work!!! :(

How do you guys get around that? I saw that 7search provides some spreadsheet for mass submission, but it still requires that each site be set up first in order to have a "site id" - so this seems to defeat the purpose.

chrislingle - that time when you set up 150 sites and made $700 in the first 24 hours, how did you set up all the campaigns so quickly? You even used Adcenter as well. Do you have it automated somehow?

Just wondering how many keywords you were entering into 7search? It takes me more than 10 mins to input more than a few thousand due to the 500 word at a time limit.

you made 47 sites in different niches or all based on the same niche? I am assuming you aren't factoring in the time to do niche research :) What programs are you using for things?

Right now I am using Keyword Elite, and an article writing program. I would love to find something that does niche research for you (ie - goes through entire dictionary, finds stats per word, etc - all automatically...)

Just a note- one of my niches is for a certain food. I started losing money on it and I was quite pissed since it pays out well... my problem was from the fact that when I generated my list of 5,000 KWs, there were too many KWs w/ 'receipe' in it... people lookin for receipes will not Click though! At least they didn't in my page. I deleted out all 'receipe' related KWs, and changed my ad copy to reflect buying the food instead of just how great the food is.. hopefully it works!

Wanted to remind everyone to always think about what will get the people to click- if you are advertising for something people want information about, make sure you reflect that in your KW list and ad copy... same if it is a product that they want to buy, people looking for things like receipes probably won't click through the the vendor sites, but people looking to buy probably will!

I wanted to bring up the number of KWs everyone uses again...do you guys use highly targeted KWs, or just blanket tons of them related to your niche no matter how remotely? I personally have foudn that targeted KWs are better... but then again take much longer to generate KW lists! Thoughts?
 
Just wondering how many keywords you were entering into 7search? It takes me more than 10 mins to input more than a few thousand due to the 500 word at a time limit.
Well, I have yet to use a keyword list longer than 100 or so words. Why you ask? Simply because 7search too often gives me the message that many of my keywords cannot be added because they "haven't been searched in the last 3 months" (!) :(
I have tried to paste in 500 keywords and stuff, but almost every time it rejects most of them because 7search won't accept it. Very annoying. So, I have stuck with small keyword lists so far.

What I do however - is make sure that the number of searches for all the keywords in my list adds up to at least 100 000. I use my own spreadsheet for this, and take the search data from the 7search tool (7Search.com - Keyword Suggestion - Login)

you made 47 sites in different niches or all based on the same niche? I am assuming you aren't factoring in the time to do niche research :)
Those 47 sites were based around the same niche. The niche research is definitely the most time consuming when it comes to arbi, and yes - I have spent a LOT of time on it.

My current problem however though is this. With 7search, I seem to only find a keyword/niches that either...
a) ...has SUPER cheap bids, but abysmal monthly traffic.

b) ...has MASSIVE monthly traffic, but bids starting way too high and too much to be in the top #5

c) ...has cheap bids, AND decent traffic - BUT pays like crap with Adsense

What programs are you using for things?
For ppc research I use the 7search tool (as mentioned above). For cpc research, I use Keyword Country. Sometimes I use the Overture bid tool whenever Keyword Country comes up with nothing. For site generation I use YACG and SSEC. My first sites were also set up manually just using Dreamweaver and some hand-ripped content. ;)

my problem was from the fact that when I generated my list of 5,000 KWs, there were too many KWs w/ 'receipe' in it... people lookin for receipes will not Click though! At least they didn't in my page. I deleted out all 'receipe' related KWs, and changed my ad copy to reflect buying the food instead of just how great the food is.. hopefully it works!
Yeah, I mentioned this to someone in another thread. It's very important to check your keyword list for dud or irrelevant words. It's just gonna be a waste of money. Even more important the bigger lists you have. Especially if you had them generated somehow and use copy/paste blindly.


I wanted to bring up the number of KWs everyone uses again...do you guys use highly targeted KWs, or just blanket tons of them related to your niche no matter how remotely? I personally have foudn that targeted KWs are better... but then again take much longer to generate KW lists! Thoughts?
Again, I rather use shorter targetted lists than enormous lists with chances of irrelevancy. So I do really thorough research for each niche (maybe too much, lol) and make sure all my handpicked words make sense for that niche and my ad.

Despite all my hard work and research though, I am still barely breaking even. Here is my stats as of yesterday:

7search campaigns: 15 (for 15 sites)
7search clicks: 59
PPC spend: $11.24 (avg. $0.19)

CTR: 32%
Adsense clicks: 19
CPC revenue: $11.83 (avg. $0.62)

Profit: $0.59
:xomunch:

ROI: 1.05:1

So this is for 15 campaigns / 15 sites so far. I simply haven't had time to create campaigns for all the rest yet. On average, this is how much time I currently spend with arbi for 1 site / 1 niche:

Niche research; 15-30 minutes
Keyword gathering / filtering; 5 minutes
Creating and uploading the site; 5 seconds
Setting up the campaign / write ad copy; 10 minutes
 
7search campaigns: 15 (for 15 sites)
7search clicks: 59
PPC spend: $11.24 (avg. $0.19)

CTR: 32%
Adsense clicks: 19
CPC revenue: $11.83 (avg. $0.62)

I have the same issue. Some days i make a nice 3:1 sometimes even 4:1 The next day it will even itself out, same campain never touching the site.

The overall it goes back to 1:1.

1) Is there a maximum people are paying per click? I have been reading an 11 cent limit. I'm assuming these are on targetted words.

2) THE BIG QUESTION: Does everyone turn off context and Predictive Search?

No one has been able to answer that question for me. I have been checking my logs and the context traffic are from other MFA sites which have usually been non-clickers. My site was probably the 8th in a row and they got tired clicking and going nowhere lol.

3) What are the max keywords people are using per campain. I have tried both 5000+ on one page and 10 on one page. Same results.
 
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I have found that the more kw's I use, the worse my results. My last few arb pages were made w/ a list of over 5k kws... but man did the CTR on them suck ass. I went back through my list and deleted all non-relevent kw's my kw program kicked out... now I have less than 1k in those sites (all my old sites are targeted kw's - less than 500 per campaign- and their misspellings), lets hope the pages do better!
 
I have found that the more kw's I use, the worse my results. My last few arb pages were made w/ a list of over 5k kws... but man did the CTR on them suck ass. I went back through my list and deleted all non-relevent kw's my kw program kicked out... now I have less than 1k in those sites (all my old sites are targeted kw's - less than 500 per campaign- and their misspellings), lets hope the pages do better!
Hmm, you are wondering why your CTR sucks ass and then you say you had non-relevant keywords... This might sound weird, but did you ever thought that non-relevant keywords would lower your CTR? :)
 
I think you guys are worrying too much about niches .I just make a site for every single niche I can think of, get the KWs (automated) and load them into 7search.
I don´t care if they get only 3 clicks a months as long as it`s not losing me money.
Now, what would be really cool is to automate the confirming profit part.Right now I have to go to adsense and compare each channel to what each site spent in 7search.That sucks.
I`m reading up on how I might just write a script to pul what each site is spending on 7 search,comparing it to what it´s making on adsense and just output in green letters: "$xx profit" or red letters:"$xx loss!" for each site


Gave up on arbi when the Quality Score smart pricing crap happened. Just read this whole thread because I want back in... here goes nothing.
Correct me if I`m wrong but doesn´t this affect only those that are using adwords to send traffic to their arbi sites? I`ve stuck to the 2nd tier PPC engines and there`s been no problem...
 
One thing I dont understand. Why do payouts begin big the first few days then progressively get lower the long the page is up?

Should I be using dynamic pages (Mygen or YACG) so the adsense bot thinks the page is always new?
 
andyem, I don't have that problem, maybe because I have so many pages up that I would not know it but I don't think that happens and if it does do you really think there is a reason? do you think someone other than someone at google would know what it was and how to fix it? NO so stop worrying about it and keep working or quit!
 
andyem, I don't have that problem, maybe because I have so many pages up that I would not know it but I don't think that happens and if it does do you really think there is a reason? do you think someone other than someone at google would know what it was and how to fix it? NO so stop worrying about it and keep working or quit!

LOL. I wont quit over something like that but I know your using dynamic pages which would keep your pages fresh and may trick the bot into thinking the page is always a new page or one that is frequently updated.

The reason I worry about it is becuase sites that were making money are now breaking even. My pages dont change, my bid prices dont change and ctr doesnt change(always between 33-40%). I dont always want to have to go back and change pages again so they stast making money again. No way I'm the only one this happens to. Is there a quality score on pages with adsense which then will base the payouts on that??
 
The reason I worry about it is becuase sites that were making money are now breaking even. My pages dont change, my bid prices dont change and ctr doesnt change(always between 33-40%). I dont always want to have to go back and change pages again so they stast making money again. No way I'm the only one this happens to. Is there a quality score on pages with adsense which then will base the payouts on that??

andyem - I'm with you here... my CTR and PPC has remained constant until recently, when the CPCs now have been declining slowly but surely. Granted, about half of my sites use content scrapers, while the other half has static content. I guess it could be a fluke / random fluctuation too, so I'm not gonna jump to any conclusions quite yet.

I will soon put up a new set of sites and watch closely for any cpc drops there as well.
 
Same this has been happening to my sites as well. I also write the articles, so the content is original...

Also had another hint/tip- keep your stats up to date!!! When I was studying for a huge exam last month I let my stats go... just got them up to date since work was slow today :)

Looks like a site I didn't even pay attention to made about $1 day profit average last month... while a site I thought was doing well b/c of a decent CTR and high volume actually lost $20! If it wasn't for 4 sites which made a combined $200 net last month I wouldn't have made much money as the rest of my sites broke even... looks like I will be doing some work tonight to drop some sites, focus on bids in winners more!

Day by day looking doesn't do too much - I think I'm going to do this once a month (basically cut and pasting into and excel file and seeing the numbers) to see trends...
 
Damn eh. I'll try adding dynamic sites this weekend, I have been putting up manual pages for the last couple of months. I'll see what happens. Thx guys
 
Most of my sites have been actually going up in price, I am averaging about $1.50 a click on one of my sites for the last 2 weeks. Up from an average of about $0.47 for the month prior.
 
I think it's normal for your site to go up and down. My sites usually get $1 clicks and then drop to $.05 clicks then back up again.
 
Just finished the thread, set up a site (1 for now) and deposited some money in 7search. Lets see how I do :) The terms are only getting ~10k searches per month, so I worry about how many clicks I'll get, but at least I'm getting them dirt cheap.
 
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