Samsung owes Apple a cool 1 billion

pocketrockets said:
Apple on the other hand continues to innovate on many levels and understands what people want and the technology needed for their ecosystem. They didn't just sit on their asses after dominating the mp3 player market. They saw opportunity with a music store that nobody else could figure out. Then to go into the mobile market which they had zero experience and completely disrupt that industry is incredible.
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Pa-lease. Apple doesn't innovate. Apple markets. That's their business. Making you want their piece of shit stuff.

First ones to do smart phones? Nope. Was the first iPhone the first smart phone with a huge ass screen? Nope. First ones to create a mobile OS? Nope. The first online music store? Sorry nope, wasn't the iTunes store. First mp3 player? Nope. It was their ability to make an mp3 player sexy that way key, not that it really did much of anything anyone else didn't do.

I still find it incredibly bewildering why other company can't out market Apple, it is really their only advantage. Make a sexy product, fire up the marketing hype machine, watch morons buy the shit out of it.
 


Rage9 said:
You're right, I guess I would. Easy to talk shit on this side.

Anyways to go with my, can't compete argument, posted today:



Worldwide market share for smartphones, a market dominated by Apple and Android - The Washington Post

This report paints a more narrow picture, but Android still has a hefty lead.
Two Thirds of New Mobile Buyers Now Opting For Smartphones | Nielsen Wire

Microsoft doing some cool stuff with tablets coming up here, so will be interesting to see how that shakes out.

I think that even though Samsung lost a cool Billion, Android owns so much of the market it's not going anywhere.
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compare handsets please, not android.
 
liams said:
It's ridiculous that Apple gets a patent on a rounded rectangle. Nobody is original, and everybody copies from everybody else. This is just Apple being a bully and proving it has the biggest cock on the block.

But regardless, Samsung still comes out ahead.

Yeah, they got hit with $1B fine. But they made much much more than $1B since the alleged infringement started? And more importantly, they've now dominated the Android marketshare, effectively relegating Motorola, HTC, and Sony to the sidelines, and which means they'll continue to make more relative to other OEMs not named Apple. HTC may go out of business now.

Plus, Apple has now woken up the sleeping giant. Google just sued Apple, using 9 non-design engineering patents acquired from Motorola, and is seeking to stop the import and sale of the iPhone 3GS, iPhone 4, iPhone 4S, iPad 2, iPad 3, iPod Touch, Mac Mini, Mac Pro, Mac Mini, MacBook Pro, and MacBook Air.
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Apple better pepper its angus. Big G has risen.
 
jsphfcll said:
what was your contract price? what is your strike?
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$10.53 with a $585 strike price.

pewep said:
Just out of curiosity dude, do you average a serious + growth per year? I've seen almost all of your videos on youtube and it seems like you win/lose 50/50. I may be completely wrong and please don't take it in a bad way.
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Here's the thing, I only got into option trading in June, so it's been about 3 months since I started. Every single month I'm leaning more and am several folds more experienced/knowledgeable compared to the previous month.

Overall, $125,000 of my capital has been placed into trading. Currently the portfolio is at $195,000. Three to four weeks ago when the markets started a heavy rally I went bearish going into the ECB and Fed Meeting. Nothing came out of those meetings so I stayed with a massive amount of QQQ puts. Well after digging my heels in for 2 more weeks without the markets dropping I finally sold out and realized close to $135k in losses. If it wasn't for this trade, the portfolio would be sitting at a much more attractive level right now.

So to answer your question, my success isn't 50/50; it's much better. Come Monday it will be looking even better and like I said, I'm getting better by the months.
 
Rage9 said:
Pa-lease. Apple doesn't innovate. Apple markets. That's their business. Making you want their piece of shit stuff.

First ones to do smart phones? Nope. Was the first iPhone the first smart phone with a huge ass screen? Nope. First ones to create a mobile OS? Nope. The first online music store? Sorry nope, wasn't the iTunes store. First mp3 player? Nope. It was their ability to make an mp3 player sexy that way key, not that it really did much of anything anyone else didn't do.

I still find it incredibly bewildering why other company can't out market Apple, it is really their only advantage. Make a sexy product, fire up the marketing hype machine, watch morons buy the shit out of it.
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Really? Marketing made Apple into the largest company in the world?

They spent $933M last year in advertising -- that is less than 1% of sales.
 
pocketrockets said:
Really? Marketing made Apple into the largest company in the world?

They spent $933M last year in advertising -- that is less than 1% of sales.
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Advertising spend <> Marketing.

Advertising spend is advertising spend.

Jobs was, above all, a total genius of a marketer, the was he repositioned apple was amazing... and all marketing. But now he's dead, and the marketing they've been doing since has been... meh.

Also, 1bn a tiny amount for Samsung - they're a much bigger company than Apple, measured by revenues. Samsung electronics alone brings 50% more in a year than Apple.

Samsung have already achieved what they set out to, which was to position themselves as a viable alternative to Apple. This patent loss is a minor hiccup.
 
amateursurgeon said:
Advertising spend <> Marketing.

Advertising spend is advertising spend.

Jobs was, above all, a total genius of a marketer, the was he repositioned apple was amazing... and all marketing.
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100% agree but the point I was trying to make was a company doesn't get to #1 in the world by marketing alone. It certainly will help get one there but only quality products will keep it there over time.
 
amateursurgeon said:
Also, 1bn a tiny amount for Samsung - they're a much bigger company than Apple, measured by revenues. Samsung electronics alone brings 50% more in a year than Apple.

Samsung have already achieved what they set out to, which was to position themselves as a viable alternative to Apple. This patent loss is a minor hiccup.
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$1B is pocket change for either company. It wasn't about the money but about defending the patents so Samsung can't continue to use them in the future (or at least pay $$ in licensing)

Based on this recent ruling, I'm as bullish on AAPL as I've ever been. This is a huge win for them and will likely help defend their market position and profit margins. Of course there will be appeals but those internal emails are pretty damaging evidence. Either way, Apple still has a TON of organic growth left in China and with the new iPhone/iPad/iPod products being released next month.
 
Rage9 said:
Pa-lease. Apple doesn't innovate. Apple markets. That's their business. Making you want their piece of shit stuff.

First ones to do smart phones? Nope. Was the first iPhone the first smart phone with a huge ass screen? Nope. First ones to create a mobile OS? Nope. The first online music store? Sorry nope, wasn't the iTunes store. First mp3 player? Nope. It was their ability to make an mp3 player sexy that way key, not that it really did much of anything anyone else didn't do.

I still find it incredibly bewildering why other company can't out market Apple, it is really their only advantage. Make a sexy product, fire up the marketing hype machine, watch morons buy the shit out of it.
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Apple doesn't 'Invent' they innovate. What made the iPod so successful? It was extremely easy to use, and even harder to not know how to use. Same with iDevices and iTunes store...Apple spends most of their time into design and user experience. They might not invent the actual technology, but they innovate the way it's used. No company has been able to keep up with Apple's design and innovation and that is why they're on top. It has very little to do with marketing, although Steve Jobs was awesome at creating a huge buzz around product launches.
 
Apple is done..sorry to break it to you. But seriously fuck companies that rely heavily on reputation with limited innovation. Further, fuck fanboys who buy these technologically inferior products because they want Apple's cock up their ass.
 
Patent costs are the new consumer taxes on products. Too many companies like Apple and Amazon just bully the patent system with litigation to get there way. What's next Apple you going to make a TV and say everybody copied you because it's rectangle or oh with rounded corners? If Apple would have made the the ipod round or triangle it would have done well because of the functionality inside. Time for some patent reforms.
 
ImagesAndWords said:
I couldn't agree more... Apple has got to be the most over-hyped brand in history.

At least Android sales are crushing the Apple phones and I hope that trend continues to where they completely take over.
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yeah... $40 dollar phones are crushing a $800 one. How surprising...
 
LOL, lots of Apple haters. Some of you guys have solid points.
But don't you realize it's not about who invented things first? It's about who makes things better. Sure, Apple products are damn expensive, but those fucking things work as they should. Have you ever used a Mac?. You just plug the damn thing and it works, you don't have to do anything besides connecting to the power line. Certainly there are some power users who feel limited, but they're a minority; why would a non tech-savvy guy want to be able to run a super complex script when all he needs is to read news and use Facebook?

Yes, Apple was not the first company to invent bad-ass stuff, but they're popular because they're products are good indeed.
 
This case is far from over.

Many people think Samsung has grounds for a dismissal, retrial, or sucessful appeal based on juror incompetence.

Everybody was surprised how quickly a verdict came back. Nobody expected 3 days. In fact, people were expecting it to take several days for the jurors to decipher the complex instructions given to them. Turns out, according to a juror, they didn't even bother to read them.

  1. The jury didn't bother with pesky things like the requirements needed to validate a patent. In fact, they decided to defer to the jury foreman's idea of what prior art and other requirements really meant, based on his personal experience.

    "We were debating heavily, especially about the patents on bounce back and pinch-to-zoom. Apple said they owned patents, but we were debating about the prior art [about the same technology that Samsung said existed before the iPhone debuted]. [Velvin Hogan] was jury foreman. He had experience. He owned patents himself. In the beginning the debate was heated, but it was still civil. Hogan holds patents, so he took us through his experience. After that it was easier. After we debated that first patent -- what was prior art --because we had a hard time believing there was no prior art, that there wasn't something out there before Apple.

    "In fact we skipped that one," Ilagan continued, "so we could go on faster. It was bogging us down." ...

    "Once you determine that Samsung violated the patents," Ilagan said, "it's easy to just go down those different Samsung products because it was all the same. Like the trade dress, once you determine Samsung violated the trade dress, the flatscreen with the Bezel...then you go down the products to see if it had a bezel. But we took our time. We didn't rush. We had a debate before we made a decision. Sometimes it was getting heated."
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  2. Based on juror interviews, they clearly awarded damages intended to punish even though the instructions (which they chose not to read) said that shouldn't be a basis for their final tally. Said the juror, the guy with the patent experience, "We wanted to make sure the message we sent was not just a slap on the wrist."

  3. In their rush to breeze through the list so that they could go home, the jurors somehow found that the Galaxy Tab family barely infringed (even though Apple and Samsung have been in court for months over it's design and Apple had already been determined to have had its patents encroached, pending appeal), and even one model didn't fringe at all. But that didn't stop them from somehow awarding $200,000 damages from it. A phone model, the Intercept, was also found not to infringe at all, but was somehow found to be worth $2,000,000 in damages to Apple. Worse, devices like the Epic 4G, with a cuved top and bottom, different button placements, and even a slideout keyboard found to infringe on Apple's design patents.
 
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