Samsung owes Apple a cool 1 billion

mGrunin said:
If I'm not mistaken, they do expire ~ 16 years.

Edit: Also OP, here is a quote from The Wallstreet Journal on the fine "Among other findings, the jury at the U.S. District Court found that many of the Apple patents were willfully infringed by Samsung. That means that Judge Lucy Koh now has the discretion to triple Apple's damages award."

Edit: Unlike Samsung, Nokia actually tried to change up how the smartphone should look like:

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I think that Nokia looks awesome. I especially like the UI pic there. Thanks for enlightening me. I'm going to try one out next time I'm near a phone store.
 


(O_o) said:
thats Windows 8
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I've heard really good things about the Windows Phone UI. They were able to innovate and people I've talked to seem to like it. This is a direct contrast to Samsung.
 
Makes me just hate Apple more. Sure they can come up with some cool stuff but they can't compete so they just sue everyone.

Yeah I know some people are going to be like, but look at the comparison! I mean really come on here, before the iPhone the concept of a smart phone wasn't anything new. Before the iPad the idea of a tablet wasn't anything new.

Apples iOS, and I guess Android, borrow their design from from other operating systems. Are you trying to tell me Apple came up with the Icon? Icons have been on a multitude of desktops and various flavors of OS's as shortcut to run applications for eons now.

Are the other things like, pinch to zoom, or bounce back when you hit the end of image really wort a billion dollars or more? Not in my mind. Anybody could come up with and code that, and my point is it's such a minor feature.

The only place I see they might have a gripe is the shape of the phone itself. But again there had been similar phones with similar shapes before the iPhones release. Big deal you made a rectangle with rounded corners, such a look has been used by a lot of phones.

Also the more I dig in to it the less severe it really seems, here's the breakdown:

ACCUSED SAMSUNG PRODUCT AMOUNT AWARDED
Captivate (JX 1011) $80,840,162
Continuum (JX 1016) $16,399,117
Droid Charge (JX1025) $50,672,869
Epic 4G (JX 1012) $130,180,896
Exhibit 4G (JX 1028) $1,084,820
Fascinate (JX 1013) $143,539,179
Galaxy Ace (JX 1030) $0
Galaxy Prevail (JX 1022) $57,867,383
Galaxy S (i9000) (JX 1007) $0
Galaxy S 4G (JX 1019) $73,344,668
Galaxy S II (AT&T) (JX 1031) $40,494,356
Galaxy S II (i900) (JX 1032) $0
Galaxy S II (T-Mobile) (JX 1033) $83,791,708
Galaxy S II (Epic 4G Touch) (JX 1034) $100,326,988
Galaxy S II (Skyrocket) (JX 1035) $32,273,558
Galaxy S II Showcase (i500) (JX 1017) $22,002,146
Galaxy Tab (JX 1036) $1,966,691
Galaxy Tab 10.1 (WiFi) (JX 1037) $833,076
Galaxy Tab 10.1 (4G LTE) (JX 1038) $219,694
Gem (JX 1020) $4,075,585
Indulge (JX 1026) $16,011,184
Infuse 4G (JX 1027) $44,792,974
Intercept 4G (JX 1009) $2,242,013
Mesmerize (JX 1015) $53,123,612
Nexus S 4G (JX 1023) $1,828,297
Replenish (JX 1024) $3,350,256
Transform (JX 1014) $953,060
Vibrant (JX 1010) $89,673,957
Total: $1,049,343,540
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Jury awards Apple $1.049 billion in Samsung patent dispute ruling (updated) | The Verge
 
Rage9 said:
Makes me just hate Apple more. Sure they can come up with some cool stuff but they can't compete so they just sue everyone.

Yeah I know some people are going to be like, but look at the comparison! I mean really come on here, before the iPhone the concept of a smart phone wasn't anything new. Before the iPad the idea of a tablet wasn't anything new.

Apples iOS, and I guess Android, borrow their design from from other operating systems. Are you trying to tell me Apple came up with the Icon? Icons have been on a multitude of desktops and various flavors of OS's as shortcut to run applications for eons now.

Are the other things like, pinch to zoom, or bounce back when you hit the end of image really wort a billion dollars or more? Not in my mind. Anybody could come up with and code that, and my point is it's such a minor feature.

The only place I see they might have a gripe is the shape of the phone itself. But again there had been similar phones with similar shapes before the iPhones release. Big deal you made a rectangle with rounded corners, such a look has been used by a lot of phones.

Also the more I dig in to it the less severe it really seems, here's the breakdown:



Jury awards Apple $1.049 billion in Samsung patent dispute ruling (updated) | The Verge
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so why exactly smartphones and tablets were something uber stupid before the iphone and the ipad?

Why didn't anyone do what they did?

It's called a revolution.

It's one thing to prove a concept and another to put the theory in practice in an optimal way. Sorry, but Apple revolutionized the computing industry and everybody copied them. So you make a revolutionary product, other people copy it blatantly and you just sit in your corner and take billions of dollars losses of potential profit. What do you tell your investors? The board? That is a company and somebody is taking something from them.

The iphone and the ipad completely changed the computing landscape. I hope you don't tell yourself otherwise.

Also why the fuck do you say that they can't stay competitive? all ihpones were the best selling devices in their year, so...
 
Samsung could of really made a small effort to differ its product from Apple, they had this coming for sure.
 
It's ridiculous that Apple gets a patent on a rounded rectangle. Nobody is original, and everybody copies from everybody else. This is just Apple being a bully and proving it has the biggest cock on the block.

But regardless, Samsung still comes out ahead.

Yeah, they got hit with $1B fine. But they made much much more than $1B since the alleged infringement started? And more importantly, they've now dominated the Android marketshare, effectively relegating Motorola, HTC, and Sony to the sidelines, and which means they'll continue to make more relative to other OEMs not named Apple. HTC may go out of business now.

Plus, Apple has now woken up the sleeping giant. Google just sued Apple, using 9 non-design engineering patents acquired from Motorola, and is seeking to stop the import and sale of the iPhone 3GS, iPhone 4, iPhone 4S, iPad 2, iPad 3, iPod Touch, Mac Mini, Mac Pro, Mac Mini, MacBook Pro, and MacBook Air.
 
I think some of you guys are a little confused.. business is war.

Maybe Apple can't compete, maybe they are bullies, blah blah who cares. At the end of the day they have tons of money and they took them to court and they won. It might not be fair, but that's life and business.

If you owned apple I think you'd be looking at it a little differently.
 
momchil9 said:
Also why the fuck do you say that they can't stay competitive? all ihpones were the best selling devices in their year, so...
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Pretty much because they can, great you came out with a cool product. Android phones are doing it better, and cheaper than Apple is. The proof is in the market share and sales numerbs.

Apple will always be an over hyped product. They don't really compete on hardware, or hell, even functionality in some respects. They are control freaks. Unless they change their toon, they'll slowly be suffocated in much the same way RIM has been. I remember the days RIM dominated the smart phone market, now what? They got run the fuck over and the same thing is happening to Apple right now.
 
mpbiz said:
I think some of you guys are a little confused.. business is war.

Maybe Apple can't compete, maybe they are bullies, blah blah who cares. At the end of the day they have tons of money and they took them to court and they won. It might not be fair, but that's life and business.

If you owned apple I think you'd be looking at it a little differently.
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You're right, I guess I would. Easy to talk shit on this side.

Anyways to go with my, can't compete argument, posted today:

— Android (Google Inc.) — 104.8 million units, 68.1 percent share (46.9 percent a year earlier)

— iOS (Apple Inc.’s iPhone) — 26.0 million units, 16.9 percent share (18.8 percent a year earlier)

— BlackBerry (Research in Motion Ltd.) — 7.4 million units, 4.8 percent share (11.5 percent a year earlier)

— Symbian (mostly used by Nokia Corp.) — 6.8 million units, 4.4 percent share (16.9 percent a year earlier)

— Windows (Microsoft Corp.) — 5.4 million units, 3.5 percent share (2.3 percent a year earlier)

— Linux — 3.5 million units, 2.3 percent share (3.0 percent a year earlier)

— Others — 0.1 million units, 0.1 percent share (0.5 percent a year earlier)

Source: IDC.
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Worldwide market share for smartphones, a market dominated by Apple and Android - The Washington Post

This report paints a more narrow picture, but Android still has a hefty lead.
http://blog.nielsen.com/nielsenwire...new-mobile-buyers-now-opting-for-smartphones/

Microsoft doing some cool stuff with tablets coming up here, so will be interesting to see how that shakes out.

I think that even though Samsung lost a cool Billion, Android owns so much of the market it's not going anywhere.
 
mpbiz said:
I think some of you guys are a little confused.. business is war.

Maybe Apple can't compete, maybe they are bullies, blah blah who cares. At the end of the day they have tons of money and they took them to court and they won. It might not be fair, but that's life and business.

If you owned apple I think you'd be looking at it a little differently.
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I agree, and Samsung probably still came out ahead after this for copying Apple rather than making everything unique.

I think people in Washington should reform patents though because these patent wars are so counterproductive.
 
Rage9 said:
Unless they change their toon, they'll slowly be suffocated in much the same way RIM has been. I remember the days RIM dominated the smart phone market, now what? They got run the fuck over and the same thing is happening to Apple right now.
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RIM failed because the company didn't adapt and due to their outdated technology and closed system. Lack of innovation = death. They refused to focus on the consumer and wanted to milk the the business and government contracts forever.

Apple on the other hand continues to innovate on many levels and understands what people want and the technology needed for their ecosystem. They didn't just sit on their asses after dominating the mp3 player market. They saw opportunity with a music store that nobody else could figure out. Then to go into the mobile market which they had zero experience and completely disrupt that industry is incredible.

T-mobile is a sinking ship because they refused to carry the iPhone. Quite amazing that one phone can have that much of an impact. Apple is NOT going the way of RIM. Especially with $100B cash on hand.

See ya at $1k/share .. good luck bros.
 
Anyone think it is ridiculous that we can even patent minute things like tapping the phone or pinching, even tapping a phone number to make a call, etc?

Seems stupid to me.

Patents should be on something more tangible.

Another way that large corporations reduce competition and a free market.

Too bad Xerox didn't patent the Mac style UI.
 
mGrunin said:
I wish it hits $700, I would be sitting fat. I'm predicting a $680 open, $695 intraday high and $690 close. The hearing for the injunction will happen on September 20th.
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Just out of curiosity dude, do you average a serious + growth per year? I've seen almost all of your videos on youtube and it seems like you win/lose 50/50. I may be completely wrong and please don't take it in a bad way.
 
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