Peanut Butter - The Atheist's Nightmare

[King.]

Ummm. Then, why is it called the theory of evolution?

Do you also believe the earth is 10,000 years old and that we're the offspring of incest from Adam and Eve's children?

Evolution is no longer a theory, it's a fact. All because creationists and butthurt religious people call it a theory doesn't make it so. Maybe you should do some more research on the fact of evolution.

 

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Do you also believe the earth is 10,000 years old and that we're the offspring of incest from Adam and Eve's children?

Evolution is no longer a theory, it's a fact. All because creationists and butthurt religious people call it a theory doesn't make it so. Maybe you should do some more research on the fact of evolution.

I believe the Earth is probably 14 billion years old or so. Regardless of what I believe, I dont think some forum troll has the ability to declare the theory of evolution to be a fact and it be done. Which theory of evolution do you believe to be fact?

 

[writtenstyle]

I believe the Earth is probably 14 billion years old or so. Regardless of what I believe, I dont think some forum troll has the ability to declare the theory of evolution to be a fact and it be done. Which theory of evolution do you believe to be fact?

I'm quoting myself, LOL. ANyway, I should explain why I am a Christian who believes the Earth is as old as evolutionists believe it is. Why? Well, acccording to the bible, The Earth was created before Time. Therefore, the Earth probably is 14 billion years old or whatever.

Christians who say the Earth is only 10,000 years old have a weak understanding of the bible.

 

[LotsOfZeros]

creationists and butthurt religious people ....

Try sounding a little less butthurt when you call others butthurt.
Grandma dragged you by the ear to church every Sunday and now you're an angry little troll?

 

[jz1297]

Not for nothing, but the Catholic church is essentially the best fucking re-bill on the planet. If we could be making bank like them, we'd all be making crazy-ass peanut-butter videos.

 

[Supergeek]

^^ God, is that you? It's me Margaret.

God, is that you? It's me Margarine.

 

[Supergeek]

This thread is hilarious. Would read again.

 

[papajohn56]

Evolution is a fact. It's not a theory or a hypothesis. Anyone who denies this is religious and therefore ignorant. If you truly have faith in Christianity or any other jewish religion you by default deny science. The two are simply not compatible. The stories of moses and noah are scientifically implausible. If you respond by saying 'God did it' or start talking about the omnipotence of God then I've made my point.

This is pure ignorance of what science is. I've been formally trained in science (physics), was a researcher on multiple groups, and have done countless studies and lab work. Evolution is a theory. There is no such thing as a fact when dealing with theory. This means something better could come along eventually and replace it, just like the theory of Gravity. Evolution is the current "most plausible" explanation.

Accepting that evolution is a theory doesn't make you a fundamentalist. At one time, there was a theory that light travelled through a medium called Ether, and at the time it was the most plausible theory, and was widely accepted. Well this got shot to shit real fast with advances in quantum mechanics.

Did you know experiments are still done to try and verify or disprove gravity? Why should evolution be exempt from scientific process like this? If another, more plausible theory comes around, should we totally ignore it and say "NO THAT'S RELIGIOUS BULLSHIT".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gravity_Probe_B

Learn science, fuck off.

 

[King.]

This is pure ignorance of what science is. I've been formally trained in science (physics), was a researcher on multiple groups, and have done countless studies and lab work. Evolution is a theory. There is no such thing as a fact when dealing with theory. This means something better could come along eventually and replace it, just like the theory of Gravity. Evolution is the current "most plausible" explanation.

Accepting that evolution is a theory doesn't make you a fundamentalist. At one time, there was a theory that light travelled through a medium called Ether, and at the time it was the most plausible theory, and was widely accepted. Well this got shot to shit real fast with advances in quantum mechanics.

Did you know experiments are still done to try and verify or disprove gravity? Why should evolution be exempt from scientific process like this? If another, more plausible theory comes around, should we totally ignore it and say "NO THAT'S RELIGIOUS BULLSHIT".

Gravity Probe B - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Learn science, fuck off.

You are right, scientifically speaking, nothing can be a fact. However we are almost certain that we share a common ancestor, we have so much evidence and are so sure of this that we know it to be fact, even though scientifically speaking we know better than to say it to be 100% true.

The evidence for evolution, not just in humans but in all life, is just too great. If you're going to deny evolution as a fact then you might as well deny every other solid fact we have. And if you do that on principle you stay true to science, but that doesn't mean you consider it to be true.

For example it would be unscientific to say the spaghetti monster or any other made up deity is not 100% true, even though we know it is.

And I never said we are to deny any theory other than the evolutionary one. Why on earth would I dismiss another theory as 'religious bullshit' if it is grounded in science? But we don't have much of a debate at the moment when the only other 'theory' is the creationist one.

"Why should evolution be exempt from scientific process like this?"
It shouldn't! and it isn't! But the fact of evolution is unanimously agreed upon. Why on earth would we stop working on it now. We still have much to learn about it. But we are sure of evolution itself as we are of gravity and atoms. We don't talk of gravity and atoms as theory, so why do we then do it for evolution?

 

[amateursurgeon]

This thread is hilarious. Would read again.

Yep - I've always detested the political threads (mainly because I'm not from the US, so they don't make any sense to me), but this is highly entertaining.

What's best is how a debate over something small just blows over into all sorts of shit, and eventually turns to name calling. It's like a microcosm of how wars start.

 

[Eldarion]

Yep - I've always detested the political threads (mainly because I'm not from the US, so they don't make any sense to me), but this is highly entertaining.

What's best is how a debate over something small just blows over into all sorts of shit, and eventually turns to name calling. It's like a microcosm of how wars start.

Politics and religion are very similar and get people going. Never fails really. I was a christian for most my life then became an atheist a couple years ago. After the change I used to make a lot of videos about religion until I got most of it out of my system then calmed down. This was the last video I made about anything religious, some of you might find it a little funny as it has at least a little to do with IM. (sorry my voice sucks)

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u_V_Ash_qqE]YouTube - The Joy of Christ for only $80 a month![/ame]

 

[BluuueJammm]

Ummm. Then, why is it called the theory of evolution?

In science the word theory isn't used in the same way as it is in day to day conversation:
Scientific Laws, Hypotheses, and Theories - The Scientific Method

I believe the Earth is probably 14 billion years old or so. Regardless of what I believe, I dont think some forum troll has the ability to declare the theory of evolution to be a fact and it be done. Which theory of evolution do you believe to be fact?

The Earth is nowhere near 14 billion years old, although the universe is:
Age of the Earth - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

^^^ King. are you just pulling this info out of your ass.

You really think religion or belief in an afterlife is somehow a wall to advanced studies.
Survey: Most doctors believe in God, afterlife - Health - Health care - msnbc.com

Just in case anyone was in doubt as to the scientific consensus on this:
Project Steve | NCSE

 

[fm1234]

posted by Unarmed Gunman:

osted by turbolapp:

This is fucking ridiculous. I won't listen to any argument that doesn't use organic peanut butter.

But I thought choosy mothers choose Jif?

She hangs out here -- how choosy can she be?


/just sayin'

 

[Ar Scion]

In science the word theory isn't used in the same way as it is in day to day conversation:
Scientific Laws, Hypotheses, and Theories - The Scientific Method



The Earth is nowhere near 14 billion years old, although the universe is:
Age of the Earth - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia



Just in case anyone was in doubt as to the scientific consensus on this:
Project Steve | NCSE

Your theory argument is a red herring. Evolution could very well be called "the Law of evolution" if it didn't consist of so much speculation with only circumstantial evidence, rather than direct evidence to back it up.

I honestly think in your attempt to support science, you are being thoroughly religious in your blind defense of this aspect of evolution. Science is not your mother. It's a tool to understand the world around us.

 

[BradleyT2p2]

Atheism and evolution really aren't linked to each other -
YouTube - Evolution and Atheism - The Atheist Experience #665

Ummm. Then, why is it called the theory of evolution?

Evolution as theory and fact - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The scientific definition of the word "theory" is different from the colloquial sense of the word. Colloquially, "theory" can mean a hypothesis, a conjecture, an opinion, or a speculation that does not have to be based on facts or make testable predictions. However, In science, the meaning of theory is more rigorous. A theory is hypothesis corroborated by observation of facts which makes testable predictions. In science, a current theory is a theory that has no equally acceptable or more acceptable alternative theory.

 

[Mightier]

Your theory argument is a red herring. Evolution could very well be called "the Law of evolution" if it didn't consist of so much speculation with only circumstantial evidence, rather than direct evidence to back it up.

Maybe in the delusional world you live in where you desperately cling to this fantasy that evolution isn't real. Before you spout of your ignorance and try to pass it as a facade of intelligence, you should probably know, excuse my french, what the fuck you're talking about.

A scientific law differs from a scientific theory in exactly one way: A scientific law does not pose or provide a mechanism or an explanation of the phenomena it describes.

Hence, Netwon's Laws of motion are laws because they only describe the mathematical way objects tend to perform. The Theory of Relativity is a theory because it attempts to explain WHY those things move that way.

It has nothing to do with evidence, despite whatever misguided piece of shit books you've been reading and that Youtube University class you've been attending.

 

[Eldarion]

I don't bother debating evolution with theists because it's kind of irrelevant to theism in general. In christianity for example there are many who accept evolution and interpret genesis differently, most catholics do for example. I don't agree with it, I don't see how they can reconcile death before sin and the almighty power of their god with the use of evolution but whatever ya'know they do.

And for theists that don't accept evolution it's typically out of ignorance or in spite of evidence. For some no matter how much evidence there is they won't accept it, so again there is no real reason to debate it with them. For the ones that deny it out of ignorance some of them can come to accept it. No scientific theory can even be fully proven, there always has to be room for it to be falsified, a theory in science is something that contains many different facts. So while evolution can never be "proven" it can be "proven within a reasonable doubt". I recommend this short video series, it's 2 or 3 parts.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i1fGkFuHIu0]YouTube - Irrefutable Proof of Evolution- Part 1 (mtDNA, ERVs, Fusion)[/ame]

But again, I don't debate evolution because I don't see the point. I'd rather talk about things in the bible and stuff like that.

 

[BluuueJammm]

Your theory argument is a red herring. Evolution could very well be called "the Law of evolution" if it didn't consist of so much speculation with only circumstantial evidence, rather than direct evidence to back it up.

I honestly think in your attempt to support science, you are being thoroughly religious in your blind defense of this aspect of evolution. Science is not your mother. It's a tool to understand the world around us.

Evolution does have direct evidence to back it up:
Peppered moth evolution - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

There are plenty of other studies like this you can find, I would be interested in knowing what you thought was circumstantial here.

 

[nickster]

@King

You are completely off when you talk about Gravity and Evolution as FACT, listen to Papajohn he is 100% correct. Gravity and Evolution are currently the strongest THEORIES we have and are backed by a lot of evidence (which is why they are taught in schools), however theories come and go and are usually replaced by different theories when the previous ones were either disproved (usually) or when the evidence of the new theory outweighs that of the old (less likely).

When arguing against religion with science the use of absolutes is as ridiculous as their argument with faith.

 

[turbolapp]

This is pure ignorance of what science is. I've been formally trained in science (physics), was a researcher on multiple groups, and have done countless studies and lab work. Evolution is a theory. There is no such thing as a fact when dealing with theory. This means something better could come along eventually and replace it, just like the theory of Gravity. Evolution is the current "most plausible" explanation.

Accepting that evolution is a theory doesn't make you a fundamentalist. At one time, there was a theory that light travelled through a medium called Ether, and at the time it was the most plausible theory, and was widely accepted. Well this got shot to shit real fast with advances in quantum mechanics.

Did you know experiments are still done to try and verify or disprove gravity? Why should evolution be exempt from scientific process like this? If another, more plausible theory comes around, should we totally ignore it and say "NO THAT'S RELIGIOUS BULLSHIT".

Gravity Probe B - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Learn science, fuck off.

Agreed 100%.

Evolution is a scientific theory. With mountains of evidence to support the theory.

Creationism is a religious belief. With mountains of morons to support the belief.