My Conversation with Mark Karpeles of MtGox

you're higher than 15 hippies. that's so laughable its not worth discussing. and i thought lukep was the used car salesman....

"yes, they CAN NOT STOP IT."
"yes, they HAVE TO EMBRACE IT."

lol. its like cult shit with these bozos.
Instead of being a chickenshit and making childish accusations, why don't you do us all a favor and tell us exactly how they can stop an open source, distributed, decentralized network with strong financial incentives behind it?

They haven't been able to do so with Bittorrent, and the financial incentives aren't even there.
 


Instead of being a chickenshit and making childish accusations, why don't you do us all a favor and tell us exactly how they can stop an open source, distributed, decentralized network with strong financial incentives behind it?

I think bitcoin is doing that itself, to be honest. In order for bitcoin to go mainstream, I have to be able to convince my sister-in-laws to purchase their kid's Christmas presents with it. How the hell am I supposed to do that with all these thefts happening left and right?

For another example, after MtGox closed the next time I ended up on Skype with my mom, she actually asked me, "so, I guess this means you're out of work now, right?". She doesn't know anything about this stuff. She just seen that MtGox closed, so assumed that must mean bitcoin is finished, hence I'm out of work.

For bitcoin to go mainstream, we have to convince people like that to use it.
 
For bitcoin to go mainstream, we have to convince people like that to use it.
How many times do you need to be told that the software is catching up for this purpose?

It's like you think the largest bunch of VCs and Coders in the world haven't considered that this is an area of development that needs to be worked on.

You and I don't need to do shit to convince anyone; Coders need to make better apps, that appeal to more people. And I have every reason in the world to think that they will do so soon.
 
Instead of being a chickenshit and making childish accusations, why don't you do us all a favor and tell us exactly how they can stop an open source, distributed, decentralized network with strong financial incentives behind it?

They haven't been able to do so with Bittorrent, and the financial incentives aren't even there.

How about a major attack on the system. You think the Federal Reserve can't afford to throw a few Billion worth of computing power at it to disrupt the network?

Hell, they could even use their guys at alphabet soup agencies to create a botnet to do it cheaper.

How about the threat of incarceration for using bitcoins?

How about forbidding banks and financial institutions from handling bitcoin related transactions?

How throttling bitcoin transactions at the ISP level?

How about arresting mining rig selling companies?

How about creating their own fedcoin?

How about them launching a massive media campaign to associate bitcoin with terrorism (think a 9/11 attack supposedly funded by bitcoin= instant anti-bitcoin mentality from the population)

How about having ISPs blacklist bitcoin users? Airlines? Banks? Utility providers?

How about potato?

You are truly delusional to think this can't be stopped. If they haven't done so already, it is for reasons they aren't disclosing.

I will say you were right; I should have bought in at $2-4/bitcoin
 
How many times do you need to be told that the software is catching up for this purpose?

They better hurry, because a lot of that good press bitcoin received is quickly being wiped out.


You and I don't need to do shit to convince anyone; Coders need to make better apps, that appeal to more people. And I have every reason in the world to think that they will do so soon.

Like what exactly? Etherum, Mastercoin, Dark Wallet, colored coins, multi-sig signatures, contracts, a browser plugin to send bitcoin, a mobile app or two, what? None of those are going to make enough difference.

Here:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=466682.msg5156220

Very simple concept, although will admit a little tough to implement, but definitely within the realms of acceptable for the bitcoin community. It would have stopped many of these major thefts from occurring, plus would have forced exchange owners to be honest and prevented them from doing runners. I got one lousy reply.
 
marketing -2.0: lets be clear: lukep is a bitcoin salesman and nothing more. can we agree on that?
 
Hey luke, I don't know too much about BTC and haven't even bought any. But I've heard that everyone who has a BTC wallet on their computer has to take quite a while to download every transaction that's ever happened in the blockchain. Is this true?

Question then is.. if the whole world adopted BTC wouldn't that database become incredibly huge? Eventually wouldnt it be too large for home computers?

Once again maybe I don't know what I'm talking about and misunderstood something.
 
Bros, there are no problems at all with Bitcoin. Any problem that may exist will be solved within a few days, but really no problems exist. Anyone that says otherwise [insert anecdotes here]. Crashes mean nothing while partial recoveries mean everything.
 
They better hurry, because a lot of that good press bitcoin received is quickly being wiped out.
Awesome growth over 5 years isn't just going to fall off a cliff this month.


Like what exactly? Etherum, Mastercoin, Dark Wallet, colored coins, multi-sig signatures, contracts, a browser plugin to send bitcoin, a mobile app or two, what? None of those are going to make enough difference.
Nothing would make enough difference on its' own... But lots of improvements in different areas will do wonders.

The most user-friendly app I've seen so far is KryptoKit wallet. I just love how brain-dead simple it is to sit in your browser and detect all addresses on a page for you... It's not perfect yet, but surely you can see the advancement from the QT client to that one towards one that the mainstream can use, right?

Apple's Hive wallet has been described as 'mindlessly easy to use.' -I haven't tried it myself though, because fuck apple.

Other apps like ATM OSes & POS terminals are a bit further ahead.


https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=466682.msg5156220

Very simple concept, although will admit a little tough to implement, but definitely within the realms of acceptable for the bitcoin community. It would have stopped many of these major thefts from occurring, plus would have forced exchange owners to be honest and prevented them from doing runners. I got one lousy reply.
Lol, it has been often noted that despite hundreds of thousands of bitcoin users on bitcointalk, all the coders there are too busy to read your ideas. Nowhere is the need for coding skills more needed than on that board.

I think your idea has promise for security purposes, but your underlying premise is off. You started off assuming that "Being your own bank" explicitly means "Hosting your own copy of the blockchain." -Which is not quite right.

Yes, hosting a copy of the blockchain is a good idea, but honestly, if just the miners do it we'll be fine. There's still tens of thousands of miners... It's not like there's only one copy of the blockchain per pool.

The thing about bitcoin that makes you able to be your own bank is that with a bitcoin wallet of any kind, YOU have 100% of the control of YOUR wealth... Not some banker. The banker is removed by you sending your wealth to the person you are buying from, therefore you are indeed fulfilling the payment service of bankers.


marketing -2.0: lets be clear: lukep is a bitcoin salesman and nothing more. can we agree on that?
And where's my sales page then?

Technically I guess I've become an evangelist for the bitcoin economy... But of course I'm still an entrepreneur first.

Yes, I have a business that only accepts bitcoin. No I won't link it here.


Hey luke, I don't know too much about BTC and haven't even bought any. But I've heard that everyone who has a BTC wallet on their computer has to take quite a while to download every transaction that's ever happened in the blockchain. Is this true?
That was the case back in 2010 with the first wallet client. I've still got my QT client, but it's kind of unweildy to use as anything but cold storage... Lighter wallets like Multibit, Electrum, Hive, and KryptoKit (Among many others) all solve the blockchain size problem in different ways.

The Blockchain.info web wallet does not keep your private keys, so it *should* be as safe as a local wallet... Obviously it's very popular and there is nothing to download.


Question then is.. if the whole world adopted BTC wouldn't that database become incredibly huge? Eventually wouldnt it be too large for home computers?
Satoshi mentioned in his original whitepaper how to combat the future problem of a bulky blockchain. It's a good idea whose time hasn't come yet because we've got all these smaller fixes making it unnecessary so far.


Bros, there are no problems at all with Bitcoin. Any problem that may exist will be solved within a few days, but really no problems exist. Anyone that says otherwise [insert anecdotes here]. Crashes mean nothing while partial recoveries mean everything.
There's a whole strawman army in your trolly post here but I understand your concern.

You seem to think that today is the only day that matters though... No true bitcoiner gives a fuck about today, we've all got our eyes set on a world where everyone's payments are efficient. That's the promise of the bitcoin protocol, and we're only a few years away from realizing it fully.
 
Pardon if I don't fully understand the concept of the blockchain, but if miners are the ones that support the blockchain, what happens when it is no longer lucrative for them to mine?

When computing power doubles regularly, it makes sense to me. If computing power slows, it seems there is an issue.
 
In an argument always let the other person "save face". Luke is a nice guy, he's enthusiastic and has a vision.

He is just talking up his book. His BTC value won't be going up if he does not sucker more people into buying at these ridiculous prices...

True evangelists blind to all these glaring (but patently obvious) technology/system/regulatory limitations tend to lose the most when the crash comes.

Ignoring obvious problems usually does not end well... Unless he is just all talk here and plans to offload a bunch of coins for real money...
 
If this guy really is Satoshi he needs to leave the country. If this guy isn't Satoshi, he still needs to leave the country.
 
Instead of being a chickenshit and making childish accusations, why don't you do us all a favor and tell us exactly how they can stop an open source, distributed, decentralized network with strong financial incentives behind it?

They haven't been able to do so with Bittorrent, and the financial incentives aren't even there.

You're confusing stopping BTC and 'blocking' BTC to go mainstream.

It's one thing to stop the open source, holy grail of crypto currency from being used. It's a completely different thing to stop it go mainstream. By simply not letting businesses / corporations accept BTC, you're left with a minor underground part of transactions that in the end, nobody cares about anymore.

Ban businesses from accepting BTC. Ban / forbid the usage of BTC exchanges. Not even talking about ISP level or the darker side, taking off the network (not sure if technically possible, but given the resources the gov has, I'm tempted to think so). With the first two happening, BTC is losing about 99% of the value for the average joe customer already. If they decide to take this route, BTC will get back to what it was, an underground currency or exchange, whatever you name it.

But hey, maybe there'll be some BITCOCKS going mainstream just for adult areas of the web, who knows. I'd invest!

Again, BTC community and BTC going mainstream are totally different sides of the (bit)coin.

But anyways, I'm sure you'll put a positive spin on the possibilities to 'stop' BTC going mainstream listed by greenleaves and me.
 
Pardon if I don't fully understand the concept of the blockchain, but if miners are the ones that support the blockchain, what happens when it is no longer lucrative for them to mine?

When computing power doubles regularly, it makes sense to me. If computing power slows, it seems there is an issue.

Simply put, supply and demand. As the mining difficulty goes up, the less efficient miners are forced out of the market, as they no longer profit.

I'm not a miner, so I don't know about reality, but in theory, over the long term, mining should have a low profit margin, due to high levels of competition.

The major costs of mining are electricity and equipment. The big race in mining is slowing down now, as more capital has been pointed at developing mining hardware, we're gone from CPUs / GPUs (which are mass produced for consumers, but not that efficient for mining) to ASICs, which are custom made, efficient, but expensive to create.

There is no "big leap" that I can see beyond ASICs, beyond general manufacturing improvements, which will be a lot slower than previous advances.

It seems like an S-curve to me.
 
When countries say that Bitcoin is not a currency it is not a good thing, its them saying that they are not going to legitimise it by calling it a currency.

People not seeing that are very dumb and are jumping on every bit of bad news and trying to spin it.
 
Japan has said that Bitcoin is not a currency. ( Japan decides bitcoin is not a currency - The Wall Street Journal - MarketWatch )

If the US and everyone else does the same thing... isn't that a good thing because then it doesn't have to follow all of the crazy rules and regulations a normal currency would?
It'll be interesting to see how this plays out. Japan is still trying to figure out what to do with the future of bitcoins. They're not sure if they could somehow tax it and gain some govt revenue, or just leave it alone. At the moment it seems it's the latter.

“Any bitcoin transactions are taxable when they fulfill requisitions stated by laws on income tax, corporate tax and consumption tax,” the
government said in its statement, which came in response to questions over how bitcoins will be regulated. At the same time, the statement ruled out treatment of bitcoin as a currency or a financial instrument.

“Bitcoin are neither Japanese nor foreign currencies and its trading is different from deals stated by Japan’s bank act as well as financial instruments and exchange act,” according to a document released by Prime Minister Shinzo Abe’s cabinet.

It also said that banks won’t be allowed to offer bitcoins to their customers.
But the statement also suggested that the government remains uncertain over how to deal with bitcoin, which aren’t widely used in Japan even though Mt. Gox was itself the market leader with an 80% share of the trading at its peak.
So will they make it illegal for businesses to accept bitcoins as payment then? But if they allow businesses to accept bitcoins as payment, how will the revenues be taxed? Maybe it's a new hybrid commodity-that-can-be-used-for-payments. capital gains taxes then? :p :D :338: