Martin Grunin - Facebook Ads Fraud - Bank Fraud - mgrunin
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Flawed Logic is flawed.
If a FB employee lost their job and their lively hood over extending the credit lines, you're okay with that? But if he scams someone for $10, you're not okay with that?
At what size does a company need to be where it's not a big deal to scam them? 150k/yr, 1m, 5m, 20m, 100m?
Grunin, I have a single piece of advice for you that will serve you for many years. You can even practice it in the clink.
The logic is fine. It's all perfectly fine even if they go bust or, say, die all together with their employees, a holy place is never empty, the throne is never vacant. They are not from my circle of people, I didn't promise them anyhing, don't have any obligations to them and didn't make any deals with them. Their success or failure won't affect me in any way. So their problems is their problems, and, while we are at, Martin's problems are Martin ones.
Hate to break it to you, but they been active here a long time. And not just to lurk.
These events have a humbling effect. Don't try to be someone you are not. Be happy with who you are bros. I just started going to the gym one week ago. I'm currently squatting the bar and using 15lb dumbbells.
Don't be afraid to start from the bottom guise, plz believe in yourselves.
Thanks for mcgrunin for reminding me to sharpen my eyes and see through the bullshit people portray.
Don't be afraid to start from the bottom guise, plz believe in yourselves.
Thanks for mcgrunin for reminding me to sharpen my eyes and see through the bullshit people portray.
That logic is sound....but it doesn't not coincide with your previous writing "Anyone who scammed his friends or partners with $10, or who, for example, sells 'get rich cheap' ebooks to noobs, or sells something like 'penguin proof' backlinks is in order of magnitude worse than the man this thread is about."
I'm not debating the ethics because like you, I don't care either way if it doesn't effect me. However, grandstanding on the ethics of a company vs. an individual is a gray area.
I guess it's a good thing this guy has a horse-sized cock to handle all of the man-pussy that's going to be at his disposal.
"Grunin said his parents know how much he makes and they're proud but his mother can be a little old fashioned and would have preferred he became a lawyer or doctor."
All of this was already covered before this thread was even started... starting with http://www.wickedfire.com/shooting-shit/180001-jp-grunin-10-000-100-000-6-months-10.html#post2186288 and progressing from there. Do we really need two Grunin threads?
edit: does he not look incredibly tiny in that Lambo up there?
edit: does he not look incredibly tiny in that Lambo up there?
Don't worry, baby. I'll be there weekly for our conjugal visits. Stay strong, my sweet poochoo bear.
There is coincidence. When someone does scams among people who are more or less similar to me this makes me a next possible victim. So I'm not going to have any deals with such people. If a person scams his clients or partners - it is bad to be his next client or partner. When he does this against big corporations only, especially in a foreign country - I'll care when I become a head of such corp (probably never). Until this that's the problem of the corporation and in no way I will care about this.
It is not, like, black or white, it is gray area as you rightly said.
I know, analogies are shit, but here's an analogy:
Who you fear the most - an aggressive crack addict from your neigborhood or a dictator who killed thousands or people, but in some lands afar?
I gave Martin Grunin the benefit of the doubt when he was going to do his $100,000 in 6 months challenge. I thought he was a grinder. I thought he earned his money by working hard. I was wrong. He is a cheater, a liar, and a scammer.
I only hope the little guy can correct his ways after he gets a nice judgment for Facebook's unpaid bills + attorney bills + damages, and possibly a short stint in a Federal Correctional Institution. I've had close friends who have had to serve time for white collar crimes - they have come out as better people. He's young enough that it won't ruin his life completely.
The moral of all of this is: Don't take shortcuts, kids. Are there ways to work smart and hard? Yes. Does getting rich take work? It does if you want it to last. If you try to game the system, take shortcuts, commit fraud, etc. - it may pay off short-term... But everyone gets their day. Today is Martin Grunin's day.
I only hope the little guy can correct his ways after he gets a nice judgment for Facebook's unpaid bills + attorney bills + damages, and possibly a short stint in a Federal Correctional Institution. I've had close friends who have had to serve time for white collar crimes - they have come out as better people. He's young enough that it won't ruin his life completely.
The moral of all of this is: Don't take shortcuts, kids. Are there ways to work smart and hard? Yes. Does getting rich take work? It does if you want it to last. If you try to game the system, take shortcuts, commit fraud, etc. - it may pay off short-term... But everyone gets their day. Today is Martin Grunin's day.
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