Martin Grunin - Facebook Ads Fraud - Bank Fraud - mgrunin

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Good idea, fatbat.

Yeah, I'd like some internet punches, please.

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ceosam1991 said:
Could definitely see us kicking it together.
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Yeah it's mindblowing when someone seemingly decent turns out to be a crook.

But it's absolutely painful when an outright scammer is slowly becoming a usual sight in a community.

Fraud is the only thing you two have in common. Big business.
 
Scamming/committing fraud whilst simultaneously boasting and flaunting your personal brand online doesnt seem smart.

But he's obviously not dumb, defrauding anyone out of $350,000 isn't something that a dumb person could achieve.

Maybe very young and a big risk taker, perhaps a fantasist too. E.g. the fantasy about stock trading when in fact it seemed he is really just an amateur trader.
 
Its been said before but there are a LOT of you guys who aren't so squeeky clean. There are many scammers on here but most of you have your noses so far up their butt's you can't see it. Feasting on another persons misery is weak. Flame away..
 
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Its been said before but there are a LOT of you guys who aren't so squeeky clean. There are many scammers on here but most of you have your noses so far up their butt's you can't see it. Feasting on another persons misery is weak. Flame away..
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I've been thinking about this a lot since this thread popped up. WF'ers that have a good reason to be hating on Martin for this:

1) Anybody that bought accounts off him not knowing (or knowing and in denial) that they were part of a much bigger fraudulent exercise than violating the FB TOS.

2) Jon, because Martin ran his particular long con on his forum.

3) Anybody delusional enough to think that affiliate marketing is viewed in anything but a shady light by the mainstream (if they're even aware of it's existence) and that Martin's actions have somehow cast an ill light on their chosen profession of helping the needy and giving to the homeless, err selling shit to people online they probably don't need nor can they afford.

4) The rest of you. Who got conned. So fucking hard. You're mad at yourself because you didn't see through his bullshit. it was pretty obvious for anyone willing to be critical, ballers don't rent luxury automobiles, they buy them and stack them in their garage worth more than some 3rd world nations. Hi buddy!. That's just one of the many inconsistencies in his story that were right out in front if you took the time to look. But you didn't, you gulped that shit down like a bukkake shake at the Flying J and high fived him for another round. Marketers gonnna get marketed.


You're mad cuz you just got Eagled. Again. Keep buying that dream, ladies.

So keep hating on Martin because he personally injured you(r pride) by treating you like the Wickedfire version of a WSO. Stings don't it?

I've never spoken one word to Martin, he's neither friend nor foe. He set off my bullshit detector a long time ago and thus I'm neither surprised nor particularly vehement about the situation. I'll just be sitting here watching this social dynamic unfold so I can better craft my next sales thread. And making stupid memes. That don't involve fucking wrestlers. Jesus fuck, that horse is dead.

/rant from someone who slings rebills and doesn't have a moral high ground to cast stones from.
 
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"After i done proving my innocence to Facebook..."

He is 100% in denial. To sort that out with facebook was over in the second they moved that case to the court.

They collected some dozen different charges and issues and it costs a gay webmaster a few minutes and a standard web tool to find between him and one of the more serious charges a connection...

Its a sign how serious it is that he can't just say "yes, i was setting up that accounts but in good faith and that in the end facebook lost money was not my intention and facebook is part of the problem because they was lazy and it was too easy..."

Its all about that identity theft, fake domains and emails.
If they nail them with that he is out of arguments for any deal.
The court will count that and all the work he put in it as "criminal energy" and planed.

The "facebook is part of the problem because it was so easy to do that things, it was like an inciting agent for me..." argument is dead then because where is the easy part left by all that fake domains, emails and such?
That is how a judge and a court will see it, 100%.

That is why its so serious. And when you can proof just by nameserver that there is a connection... Oh boy.
 
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