Malaysian Airlines Boing777 Shot Down Near Shakhtersk Donetsk oblast Ukraine

I agree with you, but my point is, all airlines should be responsible for flying over certain war torn countries, doesn't matter how high in the sky you are And Now, FAA is telling most airlines to stop flying over that zone, so I guess Oops is in order.

There's a major civilian air corridor over Ukraine (for routes from Europe to Asia and Australia), and they all use it because it saves fuel.

Turns out BA were the only ones who had halted using that corridor - Virgin Airways, Lufthansa, KLM, Delta, Air France, have said they are re-routing flights from today - which implies they were using it before and there were other planes up there when this happened.

Malaysian Airways were just bloody unlucky it was one of theirs and not the others. They're jinxed or something. Or under pressure to save fuel costs no matter what.

And yes it would be nice if airlines were responsible and avoided conflict zones and voluntarily went the more expensive route to avoid this kind of thing. But they have shareholders and customers who don't or won't understand. That's why flying BA is more expensive than flying Virgin and customers choose Virgin. All parties (the airlines and the customers) only act responsibly when a) a disaster like this occurs and they are trying to reassure customers or b) when governments issue a no-fly order.

I think Ukraine had a no-fly order over Crimea, but not this area.

The fault is not the airline's - it's the Ukrainian govt for not issuing a no-fly and the Russian rebels for being murderous half-wits
 


Holy shit. 280+ innocent lives lost in a blink because a hawkish asshole pressed the "FIRE" button.

Only 280 innocent lives? Talk about basement dweller status...

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...lest some, in their hypocrisy, forget. This is certainly an unfortunate tragedy though, and the truly sad thing is that politicians somewhere, somehow will use this as an excuse to extinguish even more lives.
 
Holy shit. 280+ innocent lives lost in a blink because a hawkish asshole pressed the "FIRE" button.

Crazy isn't it?

Even crazier... 280 could look like a very very very small number if an even bigger "fire" button is pressed.

Seems like the world gets crazier and crazier. Only thing that makes sense is $$$.
 
There's a major civilian air corridor over Ukraine (for routes from Europe to Asia and Australia), and they all use it because it saves fuel.

Turns out BA were the only ones who had halted using that corridor - Virgin Airways, Lufthansa, KLM, Delta, Air France, have said they are re-routing flights from today - which implies they were using it before and there were other planes up there when this happened.

Malaysian Airways were just bloody unlucky it was one of theirs and not the others. They're jinxed or something. Or under pressure to save fuel costs no matter what.

And yes it would be nice if airlines were responsible and avoided conflict zones and voluntarily went the more expensive route to avoid this kind of thing. But they have shareholders and customers who don't or won't understand. That's why flying BA is more expensive than flying Virgin and customers choose Virgin. All parties (the airlines and the customers) only act responsibly when a) a disaster like this occurs and they are trying to reassure customers or b) when governments issue a no-fly order.

I think Ukraine had a no-fly order over Crimea, but not this area.

The fault is not the airline's - it's the Ukrainian govt for not issuing a no-fly and the Russian rebels for being murderous half-wits


It's not that easy to change a civil air path, especially on an over-crowded sky like middle Europe. That zone is the interchange path between the gateway North-South and West-East, thousands of airplanes a day.
 
It's not that easy to change a civil air path, especially on an over-crowded sky like middle Europe. That zone is the interchange path between the gateway North-South and West-East, thousands of airplanes a day.

Oh look, we have fuckin Air Marshall Carlin over here.
 
And MH370 is yet to be found yet. What a disastrous year for MAS, that's a over 500 fatalities in a timeframe of around 3 months.

It is not a no-fly zone, an Indian airline and Singaporean airline were inside a 25km distance radius during that incident.
 
Russia Today Anchor Resigns, Admits To Spreading 'Lies' For Putin

Firth spoke to Press Gazette about the moments that led to her decision to leave. She described what it was like at the network on Thursday after news broke of the Malaysian Airlines plane crash in Ukraine, suspected to have been shot down by pro-Russian separatists.

“Yesterday when the story broke you get the kick in your stomach when you’re going to get the facts and it’s this huge story,” she said. “And I walked into the newsroom and they were running an eye-witness account of God-knows who the person was blaming the Ukrainian government, and it is such a volatile situation.”

Firth said that if she was "asked to burn the facts and not tell the truth" then she would "be a goner."

"And so I’m gone," she said, adding, "it's not a nice organisation either."


Russia Today Anchor Resigns, Admits To Spreading 'Lies' For Putin
 
Russia Today Anchor Resigns, Admits To Spreading 'Lies' For Putin

Firth spoke to Press Gazette about the moments that led to her decision to leave. She described what it was like at the network on Thursday after news broke of the Malaysian Airlines plane crash in Ukraine, suspected to have been shot down by pro-Russian separatists.

“Yesterday when the story broke you get the kick in your stomach when you’re going to get the facts and it’s this huge story,” she said. “And I walked into the newsroom and they were running an eye-witness account of God-knows who the person was blaming the Ukrainian government, and it is such a volatile situation.”

Firth said that if she was "asked to burn the facts and not tell the truth" then she would "be a goner."

"And so I’m gone," she said, adding, "it's not a nice organisation either."


Russia Today Anchor Resigns, Admits To Spreading 'Lies' For Putin

Too bad more US news anchors won't do this...

Why does this happen NOW?

More attempts to discredit...
 
Um... Why did fly over ukraine?

Scam to start a war IMO

Because:

“Fifteen out of 16 airlines in the Association of Asia Pacific Airlines fly this route over Ukraine,” Malaysia’s transport minister Liow Tiong Lai said Friday. “European airlines also use the same route, and traverse the same airspace.”

You're such a commie simpleton. "Scam to start a war"? Wtf?
 
Um... Why did fly over ukraine?

Scam to start a war IMO
They have been shoot down by mistake probably. But things are getting complicated when we take into account skills necessary to actually use that rocket launcher called BUK. If it was a BUK, it needs skilled operators to use it.

Sure, Putin could have supplied separatists with a skilled crew. For sure RF spec ops operating in that area and some of them knows well how to use it, or at least are able to train anyone to do it. There is no way that simple farmer could just launch this rocket. And here is the biggest problem.

If the guys who did this were well trained, they surely knew that target is actually a civilian plain (system helps to recognize the targets). So, why would RF train separatists to shoot down a civilian plane? (or did it themselves). There is no business in this for them. It would just make EU and US more angry. Putin is not asking for the war with West because he knows what the outcome would be.

So maybe Ukrainian gov did that? That makes more sense actually because they have a business in getting rid of separatists. Potentially they could do this to get proper help from EU and US. But on the other hand, they are simply not capable of designing and executing such operation without help from outside (not at this moment at least).

Another option is that West (EU and US) prepared the entire operation. Why would they did that? Well, US and EU is in a heavy dept (as you very well know). And there is no way to fix it in on a "normal" way of doing things. Only big war is a great occasion to get rid of dept and get new zones of influence (same thing did Adolf 76 years ago).

If that scenario is real then we know that US and EU is going to make a "bigger" war this time... with RF. This is the worst scenario possible. So let's hope that those fucks operating BUK just made mistake or were too drunk to see what they are shooting at.
Of course, all of this assuming it was actually a BUK system.
 
I'm witching now Polish news and they have just published a set of new "recorded" talks. It all looks like BS to be honest. Initially I thought that Putin is the bad guy but, now I think it's the opposite. The best question I can come up with is... Who had the most interest in destabilizing Ukraine? Putin? No. (taking into account that actual boarders don't count these days rather economical zones).
 
I'm witching now Polish news and they have just published a set of new "recorded" talks. It all looks like BS to be honest. Initially I thought that Putin is the bad guy but, now I think it's the opposite. The best question I can come up with is... Who had the most interest in destabilizing Ukraine? Putin? No. (taking into account that actual boarders don't count these days rather economical zones).

both have interests in destabilizing Ukraine, both the EU and Russia.
cheap resources, and slaves is what is beneficial to all of them, speaking in your language.