How to Make SURE to Not raise an Atheist
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What's weird is all my friends who are supposed Atheists all started off at a Christian/Catholic school.
Wow, Rusky, is this the best you've got?
You posted two articles and neither had any percentages, numbers or data of any kind in them. They didn't even mention the sample size! (Perhaps he 'scientifically' just polled his mom? Or the U-Nebraska Bible Study class?)
The first article was just a summation of the second article.
The second article said that this Schwadel dude is publishing this "work" in "a forthcoming edition of the journal Review of Religious Research."
Because, you know, all scientists worldwide read that one with baited breath...
Further, his "findings" are all laughable in that you simply can't draw these kind of conclusions from asking people questions. No amount of polling could draw such conclusions, it's seriously piss-poor science!
If you'd like to argue the point that Education doesn't kill religion then you're going to need to source the best science journals known, like Nature... Not some guy reporting for a religion+science journal!
Surely even you can see how there might be a conflict of interests there???
Its a secular social study. Dont be an idiot, natural science isnt the only source of all knowledge.
Uh huh.
Hmm. Problem is, I'm not aware of any other sources of knowledge that only call something a "fact" when it has been tested and re-tested until smart people all over the world can form a consensus about it.
Next to that, all other sources of knowledge aren't worth a spit into the wind.:xomunch:
You're a smart guy, you dont actually believe this. Science cant test whether something is right or wrong. There are other social aspects of life, I wont turn to natural science for.
There are exceptions to this, but I've found most people I know who are devout Christians and who grew up in a devout Christian household are the biggest sheeple I know.
Correlation doesn't mean cause and effect, and I think in this case, it is not that Christianity caused them to be sheeple, but rather the fact that they are sheeples caused them to unquestionably follow their parents religious beliefs. And this is probably true across most religions.
Correlation doesn't mean cause and effect, and I think in this case, it is not that Christianity caused them to be sheeple, but rather the fact that they are sheeples caused them to unquestionably follow their parents religious beliefs. And this is probably true across most religions.
Looking forward to when later in the thread you reverse your stance on this.
Let me get you started...
Art.
Flattery will get you nowhere.
So you are saying that you can't use science to test if something is correct or false?
You must have meant to say: "Across the board" or "Every Time." right?
Assuming so, (Because only a raving mental case would assume it's impossible to Ever prove something true or false using science) then I have to admit that yes, there are some things in life that HUMANS can't use science to prove things true or false YET.
Who's to say there isn't an advanced alien race that can take abstract concepts like emotion, social situations, or art and find a way to properly boil them down to mathematical or other core functionality and solve those problems using science?
We're limited by our tiny, immature brains. Science isn't.
I'd hold my breathe if I were you...
Even Artwork of any form could be proven good or bad or true or false using science if people can agree on all of the various criteria that makes a piece of artwork good, bad, true, or false.
Problem is, they don't.
So it's not that art CAN'T be proven one way or another using science; it's that MAN is flawed and simply doesn't know what he or she wants.
I realize that may sound like a cop-out but if you think about it, and what I said to Rusky just above, you'll get it; our brains just can't turn everything around us YET into the core components we need to measure to do science with.
Take music, for instance.
You're likely aware that music is extreamly mathematical. Pretty much every part of a song, from the rythym to the pitch to the chord structures etc, can all be expressed mathematically.
Knowing all of this, it is true that we haven't yet been able to write a "hit" mathematically alone... Yet. My music composition professor in College told me he expects for some software to be written soon though that could do just that.
So we're close. We just need time to develop our brains more and we will eventually be able to apply science to ANYTHING and it will be able to PROVE anything true or false.
Yes, even concepts like jealousy or homosexuality.
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3oGFogwcx-E]Microsoft Songsmith Commercial - YouTube[/ame]
Combine autotune with something like this. also:
All Linkin Park songs look the same - Hometracked
Why even use a software when the formula is so simple. lol.
Flattery will get you nowhere.
So you are saying that you can't use science to test if something is correct or false?
You must have meant to say: "Across the board" or "Every Time." right?
Assuming so, (Because only a raving mental case would assume it's impossible to Ever prove something true or false using science) then I have to admit that yes, there are some things in life that HUMANS can't use science to prove things true or false YET.
Who's to say there isn't an advanced alien race that can take abstract concepts like emotion, social situations, or art and find a way to properly boil them down to mathematical or other core functionality and solve those problems using science?
We're limited by our tiny, immature brains. Science isn't.
I'd hold my breathe if I were you...
Even Artwork of any form could be proven good or bad or true or false using science if people can agree on all of the various criteria that makes a piece of artwork good, bad, true, or false.
Problem is, they don't.
So it's not that art CAN'T be proven one way or another using science; it's that MAN is flawed and simply doesn't know what he or she wants.
I realize that may sound like a cop-out but if you think about it, and what I said to Rusky just above, you'll get it; our brains just can't turn everything around us YET into the core components we need to measure to do science with.
Take music, for instance.
You're likely aware that music is extreamly mathematical. Pretty much every part of a song, from the rythym to the pitch to the chord structures etc, can all be expressed mathematically.
Knowing all of this, it is true that we haven't yet been able to write a "hit" mathematically alone... Yet. My music composition professor in College told me he expects for some software to be written soon though that could do just that.
So we're close. We just need time to develop our brains more and we will eventually be able to apply science to ANYTHING and it will be able to PROVE anything true or false.
Yes, even concepts like jealousy or homosexuality.
Gotta agree with this. Just because we don't completely understand how our brains break down abstract ideas like beauty doesn't mean it isn't possible to.
You do realize there is no such thing as "religion", right? All that anyone has in this world is a set of beliefs - belief in how the world started, belief in whether there's a God, belief in whether homosexuality is morally right/wrong, belief in whether war is necessary or not.
The atheist proudly stating his belief that there is no God, that the universe started with a big bang(which was started by what?), is just the same as the child stating his belief that unicorns exist, the fanatic stating his belief that 72 virgins await him, the Christian stating his belief that Jesus was the son of God, the leftist stating his belief that blacks are victims, etc...
It's all just beliefs. "Religion" is nothing more than a package of beliefs that fits into your larger belief perspective. The only thing that matters is whether or not your beliefs coincide with the truth. So the only thing that really matters is whether you know what is real and true in this world, whether you understand reality as it is, not as you wish it to be.
Atheism is nothing if not a parasitical set of beliefs that does nothing but contradict every tenet of Christianity. It doesn't actually stand for anything. That's why so many find it such a pathetic "philosophy"; it's such a transparently obvious attack on Christianity that you might as well call yourself anti-Christian since that's the only rhetoric they traffic in anyways.
Why is there no anti-atheist philosophy? There is, it's called Christianity. Christianity came first, atheists came second like the desperate young sibling who earnestly wanted attention, so they attempt to slobber up whatever ideological leftovers there are.
Everyone already knows that at a certain point, you can't disprove OR prove the existence of God. And yet atheists' entire existence revolves around that 100% certainty that God doesn't exist, that the universe just "happened", that there is no higher power than mankind, our lives are ultimately meaningless, that we live within the constraints of time and yet time itself had no creator(a logical impossibility).
Is there anything more sad than an atheist? Somebody struggling for attention, someone whose bleak views on reality, besides being pathetically disturbing, are so inaccurate as to cause them understandable mental issues including depression? And the saddest part is, they live in a lie of their own choosing?
And so they lash out. Since their entire "belief system" or "religion" is nothing more than tearing down the truth that Christianity revealed to the world, adherents of this faith are morally obligated to attack the "evil" ones, i.e. Christians. Since they don't actually stand FOR anything, and since their entire philosophy revolves around being AGAINST something, they literally have no choice but to attack, and attack, and attack Christianity.
There's literally nothing else they can do. And yet they feel a sense of righteous fulfillment when they consume their holy sacrament, perform their religious duties, and attack the nonbeliever.
How utterly sad and pathetic. What a wasted life.
The atheist proudly stating his belief that there is no God, that the universe started with a big bang(which was started by what?), is just the same as the child stating his belief that unicorns exist, the fanatic stating his belief that 72 virgins await him, the Christian stating his belief that Jesus was the son of God, the leftist stating his belief that blacks are victims, etc...
It's all just beliefs. "Religion" is nothing more than a package of beliefs that fits into your larger belief perspective. The only thing that matters is whether or not your beliefs coincide with the truth. So the only thing that really matters is whether you know what is real and true in this world, whether you understand reality as it is, not as you wish it to be.
Atheism is nothing if not a parasitical set of beliefs that does nothing but contradict every tenet of Christianity. It doesn't actually stand for anything. That's why so many find it such a pathetic "philosophy"; it's such a transparently obvious attack on Christianity that you might as well call yourself anti-Christian since that's the only rhetoric they traffic in anyways.
Why is there no anti-atheist philosophy? There is, it's called Christianity. Christianity came first, atheists came second like the desperate young sibling who earnestly wanted attention, so they attempt to slobber up whatever ideological leftovers there are.
Everyone already knows that at a certain point, you can't disprove OR prove the existence of God. And yet atheists' entire existence revolves around that 100% certainty that God doesn't exist, that the universe just "happened", that there is no higher power than mankind, our lives are ultimately meaningless, that we live within the constraints of time and yet time itself had no creator(a logical impossibility).
Is there anything more sad than an atheist? Somebody struggling for attention, someone whose bleak views on reality, besides being pathetically disturbing, are so inaccurate as to cause them understandable mental issues including depression? And the saddest part is, they live in a lie of their own choosing?
And so they lash out. Since their entire "belief system" or "religion" is nothing more than tearing down the truth that Christianity revealed to the world, adherents of this faith are morally obligated to attack the "evil" ones, i.e. Christians. Since they don't actually stand FOR anything, and since their entire philosophy revolves around being AGAINST something, they literally have no choice but to attack, and attack, and attack Christianity.
There's literally nothing else they can do. And yet they feel a sense of righteous fulfillment when they consume their holy sacrament, perform their religious duties, and attack the nonbeliever.
How utterly sad and pathetic. What a wasted life.
You sure have us all figured out HB! Sounds exactly like every atheist I know...
Or not.
But thank you for that view of how you see atheists. It makes me smile brightly to see how wrong you are, once again!
Or not.
But thank you for that view of how you see atheists. It makes me smile brightly to see how wrong you are, once again!
You do realize there is no such thing as "religion", right? All that anyone has in this world is a set of beliefs - belief in how the world started, belief in whether there's a God, belief in whether homosexuality is morally right/wrong, belief in whether war is necessary or not.
The atheist proudly stating his belief that there is no God, that the universe started with a big bang(which was started by what?), is just the same as the child stating his belief that unicorns exist, the fanatic stating his belief that 72 virgins await him, the Christian stating his belief that Jesus was the son of God, the leftist stating his belief that blacks are victims, etc...
It's all just beliefs. "Religion" is nothing more than a package of beliefs that fits into your larger belief perspective. The only thing that matters is whether or not your beliefs coincide with the truth. So the only thing that really matters is whether you know what is real and true in this world, whether you understand reality as it is, not as you wish it to be.
Atheism is nothing if not a parasitical set of beliefs that does nothing but contradict every tenet of Christianity. It doesn't actually stand for anything. That's why so many find it such a pathetic "philosophy"; it's such a transparently obvious attack on Christianity that you might as well call yourself anti-Christian since that's the only rhetoric they traffic in anyways.
Why is there no anti-atheist philosophy? There is, it's called Christianity. Christianity came first, atheists came second like the desperate young sibling who earnestly wanted attention, so they attempt to slobber up whatever ideological leftovers there are.
Everyone already knows that at a certain point, you can't disprove OR prove the existence of God. And yet atheists' entire existence revolves around that 100% certainty that God doesn't exist, that the universe just "happened", that there is no higher power than mankind, our lives are ultimately meaningless, that we live within the constraints of time and yet time itself had no creator(a logical impossibility).
Is there anything more sad than an atheist? Somebody struggling for attention, someone whose bleak views on reality, besides being pathetically disturbing, are so inaccurate as to cause them understandable mental issues including depression? And the saddest part is, they live in a lie of their own choosing?
And so they lash out. Since their entire "belief system" or "religion" is nothing more than tearing down the truth that Christianity revealed to the world, adherents of this faith are morally obligated to attack the "evil" ones, i.e. Christians. Since they don't actually stand FOR anything, and since their entire philosophy revolves around being AGAINST something, they literally have no choice but to attack, and attack, and attack Christianity.
There's literally nothing else they can do. And yet they feel a sense of righteous fulfillment when they consume their holy sacrament, perform their religious duties, and attack the nonbeliever.
How utterly sad and pathetic. What a wasted life.
Corrected your post, welcome.
You do realize there is no such thing as "religion", right? All that anyone has in this world is a set of beliefs - belief in how the world started, belief in whether there's a God, belief in whether homosexuality is morally right/wrong, belief in whether war is necessary or not.
The Christian proudly stating his belief that there is a God, that the universe started with a God(who created the God?), is just the same as the child stating his belief that unicorns exist, the fanatic stating his belief that 72 virgins await him, the Atheist stating his belief that Jesus was not the son of a God, the leftist stating his belief that blacks are victims, etc...
It's all just beliefs. "Religion" is nothing more than a package of beliefs that fits into your larger belief perspective. The only thing that matters is whether or not your beliefs coincide with the truth. So the only thing that really matters is whether you know what is real and true in this world, whether you understand reality as it is, not as you wish it to be.
Christianity is nothing if not a parasitical set of beliefs that does nothing but contradict every tenet of reality. It doesn't actually stand for anything. That's why so many find it such a pathetic "philosophy"; it's such a transparently obvious attack on free thinking that you might as well call yourself anti-rational thought since that's the only rhetoric they traffic in anyways.
Why is there no anti-atheist philosophy? There is, it's called Christianity. Atheist(before the modern day term) came first, Christianity came second like the desperate young sibling who earnestly wanted attention, so they attempt to slobber up whatever ideological leftovers there are.
Everyone already knows that at a certain point, you can't disprove OR prove the existence of God. And yet Christians' entire existence revolves around that 100% certainty that God exist, that the universe was just shit out by God, that there is a higher power than mankind, our lives are subservient, that we live within the constraints of time and time itself had a creator(a logical impossibility).
Is there anything more sad than an Christian? Somebody struggling for attention, someone whose bleak views on reality, besides being pathetically disturbing, are so inaccurate as to cause them understandable mental issues including depression? And the saddest part is, they live in a lie of their own choosing?
And so they lash out. Since their entire "belief system" or "religion" is nothing more than tearing down the truth that critical thinking revealed to the world, adherents of this faith are morally obligated to attack the "evil" ones, i.e. free, logical thinkers. Since they don't actually stand FOR anything, and since their entire philosophy revolves around being AGAINST something, they literally have no choice but to attack, and attack, and attack "non-believers".
There's literally nothing else they can do. And yet they feel a sense of righteous fulfillment when they consume their holy sacrament, perform their religious duties, and attack the nonbeliever.
How utterly sad and pathetic. What a wasted life.
Atheism predates Christianity. Ancient Greek philosophers questioned the existence of “the Gods” as well as the religious teachings of their time.
People that talk about the scientific method with (ironically) religious fervour can get annoying. David Hume explored whether it is really as bullet-proof as some present it as and came across the problem of induction (watch the vid).
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r3QZ2Ko-FOg"]Three Minute Philosophy - David Hume - YouTube[/ame]
There is no shame in saying “I don’t know” or ”I’m not certain.” The problem is, it’s horribly boring. Whether the dinosaurs died of meteor strikes, volcanic eruptions (or both) is of little consequence to us. We like to take a position and debate with others often for the mere sport of it. At least I do.
At one time the world seemed a place in which a grand architect pulled the strings. Now it strikes me as a place where natural processes take place with little rhyme or reason. It is people that attempt to find patterns or a moral lesson. The world hasn’t changed, but I have. At the end of the day we’re living in our own little bias-ridden universe.
You do realize that's the difference, right? The Christian envisions paradise and atheists envision nothingness? One's view is divine; the other's is bleak.
That's kind of... the point.
I mean, it's embarrassing how retarded this kid is and it sure doesn't help that Lukep encourages him.
I thought the Christian based their belief on the correctness of their Word of God, The Bible. The infallibility of the Bible in its original text, as well as the historically fulfilled prophecy within the Bible.
I have never seen an examination of the scientific claims within the Qur-an but if it is perfect, as Islam does claim to have the perfect interpretation I think, then it too would be worth looking into.
But Unicorns have no basis in fact.
Atheists surely do not believe Jesus was the Son of God because they believe there is no God - there's a fallacy in that statement on its surface.
Black are victims in a lot of ways, of course comparing the definition of what you feel is a "victim" against "God" or "unicorns" is not really up for discussion - is it?
This shows you do not have even the slightest understanding of modern day Christianity.
Every sentence is completely incorrect and painted with such a broad brush - do you really believe what you wrote? If so then you need to stop discussing Christianity as if you know anything about it at all.
I would imagine that Agnosticism was the first belief system, simply the belief that they had no idea why anything happened. The first thoughts of understanding why anything happened were not conscious thoughts of "there is no God". At best it was simply a lack of thinking about it at all. Then once they did think about the world around them, it had to be, "who knows, what is, is"
Not if the creator was from another dimension. We live in our dimensional space that includes time. It is not illogical at all to believe that time is in itself simply another dimension that we are constrained by - to think of existence outside that dimension is logical.
I will admit that many Christians constrain themselves with odd ways of applying Christianity, this is oftentimes brought about by leaders within the Church. This is why true Christianity is decentralized with the Bible as the objective truth, not the leaders, not other Christians. The Bible allows empowerment.
Christians embrace free thought.
True Christians embrace full examination and public discourse.