BIG TROUBLE with Epic/Azoogle !!

^ might be the AM that fucked it up, but i would still blame the network for hiring fucking idiots with no experience to handle a 50k a month affiliate. Talk about not knowing how to run a business.

You know.... Todd Stearn is one of Epic Advisors team (you can get that info from their newsletter, at least he was just few weeks ago or so), from what I know they do manage new/low value affiliates in Epic, so it's one more sign to me why OP may not earn (or generate revenue better to say) $50k month, cause he probably will be under other affiliate manager.

Azoogle can't be that stupid to wrote that to $50k/month person, or even to anyone else...
 


Theres your fucking problem man. I know your intention isnt wrong but the method you're using does have grounds of not getting you paid. This is plain wrong if you're using Be2 in your ad copy & sending traffic to SmartDate (doesnt matter if you're split testing). Be2 will object on using their name to drive leads to smartdate, and smartdate can reverse you're leads cuz you are 'misguiding' users to signup for them using Be2's brand name.

Since everybody else is on a tangent, this is why you're being charged back your leads.
 
You know.... Todd Stearn is one of Epic Advisors team (you can get that info from their newsletter, at least he was just few weeks ago or so), from what I know they do manage new/low value affiliates in Epic, so it's one more sign to me why OP may not earn (or generate revenue better to say) $50k month, cause he probably will be under other affiliate manager.

Azoogle can't be that stupid to wrote that to $50k/month person, or even to anyone else...

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lol you can justify this as SPLIT TESTING all you want but you have an ad for coke and you advertise it by saying 'PEPSI IS THE BEST, BUY PEPSI HERE'. chargebacks are standard here. your newbie AM being an idiot is not. get a new AM, talk to a higher up, and/or don't work with azoogle anymore. also, if you were doing 50-70k a month with azoogle alone i highly doubt you would be treated this way, but, they are azoogle, and are known for being epic dickheads and sometimes a large impersonal network (depends on AM) with multiple levels of bureaucracy (unlike c2m or a4d or ewa). also i'm not sure how someone doing such high volume would make such a mistake in promotional allowances. the first rule of fightclub is you do not advertise smartdate by telling users they're signing up for a competitor in the ad, lol. perhaps you're doing 50-70k spread out over many networks? azoogle is one network i would NOT trust to pay out if advertiser didn't pay them, unless you have a sterling silver reputation with them and are a decent earner with history.
 
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I dont see why people feel the networks statement of keep running for a week and get paid everything is so wrong.

I actually feel even better sending them traffic with statements like that. Means there keeping it real with you on whats going to get you your money.

feel blessed u got a manager telling u the truth as opposed to just not taking your calls.
 
feel blessed u got a manager telling u the truth as opposed to just not taking your calls.


Like saying feel blessed you have cancer of the testicles instead of cancer of the brain. Unless you're running at CJ or somewhere, or unless you do zero volume whatsoever and are a major slacker, any AM who doesn't even communicate to you the reason for chargebacks and relevant information like that is not even worth 5 seconds thinking about a future with.

To elaborate on my previous post, I believe OP is at fault here and has only somewhat of a basis to complain (if I were in his shoes, I would be pissed, but I wouldn't be in his shoes because I wouldn't promote Smartdate mentioning Be2 in the ad). Take the loss and obviously don't make ad copy mistakes like this in the future. Not a big deal, it's 1.3k. Yes, 1.3k is relevant even to people who make 50k a month. No, OP is not being fucked over unjustly, IMO. It sucks, but it's a part of the game, and being charged back even 1/3rd of the leads is better than hits many people have taken for making ad copy mistakes.

In OP's defense, however, it's murky territory if the terms and conditions didn't explicitly say no competitor mention in the ads. It should go without saying you shouldn't do something like this, and network terms do state in them it's up to their discretion to determine things like this, so it's really up to you and Azoogle if you want an ongoing relationship now.

I will say that if you were caught promoting Smartdate by telling users it was Be2 and an advertiser charged you back for it, I think a lot of networks, not just Azoogle, would not compensate you for the leads, even networks that historically "pay when the advertiser doesn't pay".
 
I've dealt with some serious issues in the past that were communicated, discussed and encouraged by a advertiser to push then when the method itself brings ftc attention all of a sudden no one is taking any calls.

different situation and i understand where u are coming from but my experiences with large scale accounts are much different then yours.

To consider a few thousand anything large scale brings to you the same questions and comments u have towards me.

much respect.

now everyone back to the money please......
Like saying feel blessed you have cancer of the testicles instead of cancer of the brain. Unless you're running at CJ or somewhere, or unless you do zero volume whatsoever and are a major slacker, any AM who doesn't even communicate to you the reason for chargebacks and relevant information like that is not even worth 5 seconds thinking about a future with.

To elaborate on my previous post, I believe OP is at fault here and has only somewhat of a basis to complain (if I were in his shoes, I would be pissed, but I wouldn't be in his shoes because I wouldn't promote Smartdate mentioning Be2 in the ad). Take the loss and obviously don't make ad copy mistakes like this in the future. Not a big deal, it's 1.3k. Yes, 1.3k is relevant even to people who make 50k a month. No, OP is not being fucked over unjustly, IMO. It sucks, but it's a part of the game, and being charged back even 1/3rd of the leads is better than hits many people have taken for making ad copy mistakes.

In OP's defense, however, it's murky territory if the terms and conditions didn't explicitly say no competitor mention in the ads. It should go without saying you shouldn't do something like this, and network terms do state in them it's up to their discretion to determine things like this, so it's really up to you and Azoogle if you want an ongoing relationship now.

I will say that if you were caught promoting Smartdate by telling users it was Be2 and an advertiser charged you back for it, I think a lot of networks, not just Azoogle, would not compensate you for the leads, even networks that historically "pay when the advertiser doesn't pay".
 
Like saying feel blessed you have cancer of the testicles instead of cancer of the brain. Unless you're running at CJ or somewhere, or unless you do zero volume whatsoever and are a major slacker, any AM who doesn't even communicate to you the reason for chargebacks and relevant information like that is not even worth 5 seconds thinking about a future with.

To elaborate on my previous post, I believe OP is at fault here and has only somewhat of a basis to complain (if I were in his shoes, I would be pissed, but I wouldn't be in his shoes because I wouldn't promote Smartdate mentioning Be2 in the ad). Take the loss and obviously don't make ad copy mistakes like this in the future. Not a big deal, it's 1.3k. Yes, 1.3k is relevant even to people who make 50k a month. No, OP is not being fucked over unjustly, IMO. It sucks, but it's a part of the game, and being charged back even 1/3rd of the leads is better than hits many people have taken for making ad copy mistakes.

In OP's defense, however, it's murky territory if the terms and conditions didn't explicitly say no competitor mention in the ads. It should go without saying you shouldn't do something like this, and network terms do state in them it's up to their discretion to determine things like this, so it's really up to you and Azoogle if you want an ongoing relationship now.

I will say that if you were caught promoting Smartdate by telling users it was Be2 and an advertiser charged you back for it, I think a lot of networks, not just Azoogle, would not compensate you for the leads, even networks that historically "pay when the advertiser doesn't pay".

Affiliates are there to make money. If an advertiser has terms for in which it will not pay it should be clearly spelled out. Outside of those terms, the advertiser should only be able to discontinue relationship, but any sales generated should absolutely be paid out, whether it's by the network for the advertiser. Epic should hold the advertiser to whatever terms they agreed upon as to what constitutes a valid chargeback, and vise versa.
 
I LOVE THE EWA HELPS EVERYONE.

Epic has been doing things like this since they merged with a media buying company, less care for affiliates. I still love the guys - but things have changed over there.
 
Speaking of smartdate, are these guys and similar offers paying out on facebook connect's on the lp and not being shady about it??
 
well i just tested an offer with epic... was converting at 13 percent elsewhere... epic... 620 clicks... zero converions... seems fishy lol... will be moving traffic back
 
Guys, I was just asking what should I do about the stuff when they behave with you so rudely...and the revenue I reffered here, is not in a single network, remember..we shouldnt be placing all our eggs in the same basket..My Favorite being EWA and Neverblue.

Im currently negotiating this matter with Epic( Azoogle ) and will update soon..Thanx to All BROS !! ( Rofl !!)
 
Guys, I was just asking what should I do about the stuff when they behave with you so rudely

go fuck them and let them die face down in a pool of liquid shit. You sure know how to let them lick your asshole.
 
Guys, I was just asking what should I do about the stuff when they behave with you so rudely...and the revenue I reffered here, is not in a single network, remember..we shouldnt be placing all our eggs in the same basket..My Favorite being EWA and Neverblue.

Im currently negotiating this matter with Epic( Azoogle ) and will update soon..Thanx to All BROS !! ( Rofl !!)

any update from epic?

I was promoting a dating offer as well.. after the advertiser make a call that my traffic doesn't back up for them and the offer has been paused since then..

YET after 2 weeks, they plan to charged back all my LEADS??? I DIDN"T BROKE ANY OF THEIR RESTRICTION THOUGH.

Does epic getting weaker that I thought?

Or the advertiser has the stronger say now?

Seldom I heard Azoogle treat their affiliate this way..
 
any update from epic?

I was promoting a dating offer as well.. after the advertiser make a call that my traffic doesn't back up for them and the offer has been paused since then..

YET after 2 weeks, they plan to charged back all my LEADS??? I DIDN"T BROKE ANY OF THEIR RESTRICTION THOUGH.

Does epic getting weaker that I thought?

Or the advertiser has the stronger say now?

Seldom I heard Azoogle treat their affiliate this way..

oh and including all of the leads from last month that has been paid and now being charged back...... :mad:

@#$%^&

maybe they might as well want to charge back the leads since last year from all the affiliates?

HELP!!!!!!! Definitely want my money back..

and can you still trust the network? Will you be worried that suddenly that all the leads that you generate earlier will be charge back in 1 , 2 or 3 months later?

We, affiliate doesn't deserve any protection?
 
I only started affiliate marketing a few months ago and my first company to earn a few grand with was EpicDirect. All the money I earned was from email submits, credit report leads, and a few electronic cigarette leads. They always payed me and never had any issues, but they aren't very "friendly" compared to EWA. I think I'm gonna stick with EWA as these guys seem kind of shady.
 
I only started affiliate marketing a few months ago and my first company to earn a few grand with was EpicDirect. All the money I earned was from email submits, credit report leads, and a few electronic cigarette leads. They always payed me and never had any issues, but they aren't very "friendly" compared to EWA. I think I'm gonna stick with EWA as these guys seem kind of shady.

Ok i have nothing against EWA, but seriously 2 people in this thread with less than 30 posts giving good feedback about EWA that is so obviously fake it makes acai berry review landers look more believable. Fuck off with your stupid shit. And even if you people are real nobody cares about what network your running with and more than likely your taking it up the ass by them too.