Haha, caught that, did you?
You've figured it all out now. Yes, as smart as you sound, if you believe in an omnipotent fairy in the sky, you're as looney as the bird on some level.
Ah, Religion - My Short Story
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You've figured it all out now. Yes, as smart as you sound, if you believe in an omnipotent fairy in the sky, you're as looney as the bird on some level.
Better keep searching for the definition of Atheism then if you think anything you can say, feel or think would make one of us "Upset."
Haha, caught that, did you?
You've figured it all out now. Yes, as smart as you sound, if you believe in an omnipotent fairy in the sky, you're as looney as the bird on some level.
You're in the extreme minority with that stance, lol.
Everything you said was an assumption or opinion based on faith in yourself with zero fact, while you criticize other groups for ignoring evidence/facts. "The earth wasn't made in 7 days, everyone knows this, thus its true" is a logical fallacy called a circular argument.
"Would probably answer" and showing research is "proof?" No, its not, as I said...science does provide probabilities, but not truths or facts, to which you seemed to have agreed by mentioning "probably answer," but that is not knowing or truth by any means. You are doing the exact same thing you claim people you grew up with do, you are interpreting your own personal experience and opinion and perception, without any "evidence."
For example, saying,"we evolved from single cell organisms" and "we were created by a higher being." There is no more "research or scientific fact" to prove either of these. Thus, both are based on faith, bottom line. You are making an inference about the past, on which you don't and cannot know, which = faith. You could say, well look at these 10, 100, 1000 facts, added altogether, this "proves" my case for evolution. No, it doesn't. A seemingly coherent system does not prove anything. People that believe in religion have what they believe is a seemingly coherent system as well. Thus, both of you are basing your beliefs on your opinions, and putting "faith" in your perception of what you believe is coherency of your belief systems.
We "prove things with proof?" And that's what humanity has learned over time? What does that even mean, and with what authority or research do you speak about humanity over time? <<-- speaking in generalizations is def not any form of evidence or fact of anything, and there is no truth behind this statement.
How is that any different than your criticisms of your ex church leaders that said, the Bible is inerrant because the Bible says itself its inerrant, and this is what church leaders have said over time. There isn't, and that is a circular argument is well. If proof is proof, then proof is proof is invalid logic.
How things happen and how one interprets or believe things happen or how we can know things happen are two different things. Faith doesn't cause an action (although an action can happen out of faith), these are all actions, nor does science cause any actions, so, I don't really understand what youre asking, unless perhaps you meant, how does one know these things happen, or how did or could one understand how to cause these actions.
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We also have not found enough proof to believe in a purple gorilla at the bottom of the garden.
You really aren't getting it are you?
The ill educated science debunking is quite retarded in this thread. As is the use of semantics and the dictionary in explaining our non-beliefs.
You can read the dictionary in an attempt to disprove our feelings on religion all you want. You could even read up on evidence of absense and shit such as that, but that in no way vindicates your belief in something (there is no proof of), anymore than showing atheism as a belief in nothingness.
We are born atheists and religion is shit upon us by family/friends/society at a young age while our minds are still young and malleable. Atheism is the default and then we may or may not chose, or be forced, into religious doctrine at a later date. My opinion and feelings do not require proof, because the burden of proof is in religion's court and always will be. Not being able to disprove something doesn't mean it exists. (Bertrand's Teapot)
And also, to paraphrase a man that threads such as this make me like more and more, Richard Dawkins, "You're all atheists in the eyes of a religion not your own, I just go one god further than you."
You can read the dictionary in an attempt to disprove our feelings on religion all you want. You could even read up on evidence of absense and shit such as that, but that in no way vindicates your belief in something (there is no proof of), anymore than showing atheism as a belief in nothingness.
We are born atheists and religion is shit upon us by family/friends/society at a young age while our minds are still young and malleable. Atheism is the default and then we may or may not chose, or be forced, into religious doctrine at a later date. My opinion and feelings do not require proof, because the burden of proof is in religion's court and always will be. Not being able to disprove something doesn't mean it exists. (Bertrand's Teapot)
And also, to paraphrase a man that threads such as this make me like more and more, Richard Dawkins, "You're all atheists in the eyes of a religion not your own, I just go one god further than you."
-God- is totally right (no pun intended)
Atheism is a label that we have to take up to define us as the scourge of religion has permeated most societies and we have to differentiate ourselves from those who believe in sky fairies. If religion didn't exist we wouldn't have to label ourselves as anything as we are just intelligent human beings. But it does and we do and this is the label we use.
You can interpret what Atheism means by following some illogical stream of dictionary definitions but think about what you are saying, we are atheists and we are telling you what we believe or don't believe in. It's like us telling you what Christianity, Islam etc. actually means and what you need to believe to be part of it. Ridiculous.
We don't believe in religion or gods because they have no evidence of being true, however if there was enough evidence and we started to believe we would no longer be atheists, duh! The same way that today you may be Christian, but if you one day you woke up and decided to think for yourself you may become an atheist, but that doesn't make you any less of a Christian today.
Atheism is a label that we have to take up to define us as the scourge of religion has permeated most societies and we have to differentiate ourselves from those who believe in sky fairies. If religion didn't exist we wouldn't have to label ourselves as anything as we are just intelligent human beings. But it does and we do and this is the label we use.
You can interpret what Atheism means by following some illogical stream of dictionary definitions but think about what you are saying, we are atheists and we are telling you what we believe or don't believe in. It's like us telling you what Christianity, Islam etc. actually means and what you need to believe to be part of it. Ridiculous.
We don't believe in religion or gods because they have no evidence of being true, however if there was enough evidence and we started to believe we would no longer be atheists, duh! The same way that today you may be Christian, but if you one day you woke up and decided to think for yourself you may become an atheist, but that doesn't make you any less of a Christian today.
Does it make you money ? No.
Why waste time on religion.
You don't gain anything by praying, nor will you make the world a better place.
If you really want to make it a better place - get to working and help people in need like the people in Japan at the momment.
All this religious crap is bullshit atleast in my eyes.
Why waste time on religion.
You don't gain anything by praying, nor will you make the world a better place.
If you really want to make it a better place - get to working and help people in need like the people in Japan at the momment.
All this religious crap is bullshit atleast in my eyes.
Thanks for that man, that wraps up the whole argument right there. Genius
No problem Nickster.
Well I am from Bulgaria and I am just sick of this whole Religion/Church system.
I live in a big summer resort (Sunny beach) and I saw the local church priest with a car that costs about 35 000$.
I don't know how the Church System is in your countries, but when there are big christian holidays like Christmass/Easter/Other Holidays you are supposed to go to the church and light a candle.
Yes everything is okay except the fact that freaking candles cost between 0.3 and 2$.
The production price for 1 candle is between 0.01 and 0.05$.
What they do is after you light the candle they just re-melt the candle material and make new candles, a friend of my grand mother used to work in a church in a small town ( ~20 000 people) and on big christian holidays they've made as much as 35 - 40k $ in a single day.
Where does all this money go ?
The Religion is one big money making system.
I remember watching that documentary Jesus Camp and just raging. Two part really got to me. One was where you see these two kids watching a tv show and some guy dressed in palaeontologist gear has some green goop in his had and to paraphrase, he said something along the like of "Can you believe scientist think we came from this YUUUUCK!" Way to completely misrepresent evolution jerkoff.
The second was when a you kid was talking about he conversion to Christianity. Once again, paraphrasing, he said "I Was about 8 when I was saved." Saved from what? You're 8 fucking years old!
The only other religious documentary to make me rage harder was Fall from Grace. It's about those Westboro Baptists assholes. You know, the one who protested at a 9 year old girls funeral. Fucking scum.
Fucking religion.
The second was when a you kid was talking about he conversion to Christianity. Once again, paraphrasing, he said "I Was about 8 when I was saved." Saved from what? You're 8 fucking years old!
The only other religious documentary to make me rage harder was Fall from Grace. It's about those Westboro Baptists assholes. You know, the one who protested at a 9 year old girls funeral. Fucking scum.
Fucking religion.
Ugh.
My point = the "theories" and "evidence" for science is proven again, again, and again. No, we may never know with absolute certainty what happened BILLIONS of years ago...it's a little tough. But the evidence for science heavily outweighs the evidence and logical backing for religion. Heavily.
As a human being at some point you have to make up your mind and determine which idea makes more sense to you. Cool, call it a "belief" in science, but that's again just philosophical bullshit. It's based on every bit of evidence we humans are capable of capturing. No it's not fact by definition (a definition invented by us by the way...ooo more spooky philosophy), but it's the closest thing we have.
Philosophy has it's role in helping put existence into perspective, but it doesn't do shit for the religion vs science argument. In my opinion.
Buy my new e-book on how to be a true believer. You'll be 100% satisfied or your money back!
Btw, the Carl Sagan picture is great. I'd not seen that before.
Btw, the Carl Sagan picture is great. I'd not seen that before.
Bumping this due to a talk with a friend (instead of starting a new thread).
He says he believes in Jesus and is a Christian, but also thinks his Muslim friends will be in heaven with him. Any direct lines from scripture that differentiate this?
Anything I've been able to find in the Bible uses the world Lord, which my friend says "Since Jesus = Lord and Lord = Yaweh, Jesus = Yaweh."
I suppose it's dumb logic to begin with but I called him out on that and he basically said nothing and brought up another point. Is there anything directly from Christian/Muslim exact-translation scripture that speaks against this?
He says he believes in Jesus and is a Christian, but also thinks his Muslim friends will be in heaven with him. Any direct lines from scripture that differentiate this?
Anything I've been able to find in the Bible uses the world Lord, which my friend says "Since Jesus = Lord and Lord = Yaweh, Jesus = Yaweh."
I suppose it's dumb logic to begin with but I called him out on that and he basically said nothing and brought up another point. Is there anything directly from Christian/Muslim exact-translation scripture that speaks against this?