After Tomorrow No More Rebills

TV ads use the countdown or XX method all the time. Why would the FTC not care about them but care about the online version of it?

They do. Just like you see pages like this disappearing online, you will see these promotional methods disappearing on TV too.

At the last FTC conference I went to, there was actually more emphasis on TV testimonials and celeb use than online. All forms of media are and will be affected.
 


Two independent sources have just confirmed MC has been doing secret shopper transactions on the biggest offers out there. Customer experience and service, sticky billing (processing rebills on the same MID as the initial transaction), upsells, and landing page compliance are why many of the offers are down today.
 
They do. Just like you see pages like this disappearing online, you will see these promotional methods disappearing on TV too.

At the last FTC conference I went to, there was actually more emphasis on TV testimonials and celeb use than online. All forms of media are and will be affected.

They can only regulate what's happening in the US though. It's probably safe to assume we can continue pushing in Canada, UK, France, Spain, etc.

Now Visa/MC cracking down, that's a whole different story.
 
If I remember correctly, the FTC maybe 1-2 months ago, chased down some spammer in Australia and fucked him up.
 
I'm an advertiser and have one account with Meritus currently. We are not processing through it yet and have had it for a few months already, but it seems as though we were spared.

However, we applied for a new account last week and were denied. Reason being - mastercard contacted meritus directly and asked for some accounts to be closed. Meritus is afraid to take on new clients that are in the rebill game period. Supposedly it has nothing to do with Wells Fargo pulling out of the rebill business like someone has previously mentioned in this thread, but I am not 100% sure. This is just some employee at meritus telling me this.

Visa has not officially notified them of any pending changes, or requested anyones account to be closed.

They did say mastercard gave some tips to be "compliant" but these are just guidelines and don't guarantee anything.

- Double confirm the purchase (maybe add a checkbox, or take them to another page confirming their order, terms etc... ala clickbank)

- Clearly disclose refund policy

- Same point font when describing rebill terms, and most disclose them above or adjacent to the purchase button

- No negative option enrollment

- No rebilling twice within one month

Hope this information helps some people here... I'm so tired of those stupid "oh no'es" images... they are really gay and offer nothing of value to this thread.

If anyone has some other good merchant options, please PM me.
 
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LMAO @ THIS THREAD and all of the misinformed imbeciles pretending to know wtf they are talking about and just making everyone else run around like a bunch of chickens with no heads.

Let me clear this up for you in one long post...

Rule 1:
Never listen to networks or other affiliates when they claim to know what the fuck they are talking about when it comes to processing, because 99% of them don't know dick. They just regurgitate what they hear and put it into pieces that sound like they know what they are talking about. Not all, but certainly close to it.

Rule 2:
If re-bills/continuity were nuked as this thread is claiming, then that would mean MasterCard and Visa would have to nuke clients such as Netflix or even magazine companies because all of that is within the continuity space too.

Rule 3:
Visa, MasterCard and American Express make money from chargebacks and every transaction processed, online and offline, in fact their entire business model from the merchant's end is made from fees that they dictate what rates companies will pay/be charged (discount rates by banks), when and how. There is no world organization (aka UN, INTERPOL, BBB, Jews or NWO BS) that makes the rules, THE card associations/banks make the rules. So what you guys are saying makes zero sense. They are in this game to make gobs of money, so why would they deliberately kill off the major source of their income when they have absolute control over the entire processing industry?! They aren't idiots like those in our industry.

Rule 4:
This is the last goddamn time I'm going to say this... the CONTINUITY/negative option side of our industry is not to blame. We all are. Banks, processors, advertisers, call centers, mailers, networks, affiliates, and even the pretend affiliates who spread fake news around and pretend to be balling but really just get sponsored to fly everywhere and say they are doing shit when they really know dick. EVERYONE. Consumers too. Feds too! Quit blaming everyone but yourself you dip shits.

Rule 5:
Most advertisers are imbeciles to begin with, so they deserve to fail, hard.

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Right now, MasterCard has added domestic processing (banks that process credit card transactions inside the US) for GRANTS to their shit list. Visa already added RezV and Acai to their shit list two months ago for domestic and international. This isn't a major blow to the industry by any means. A major blow to the industry would be "no more trial periods" by Amex, Visa and MasterCard for domestic and international processing. If that were to happen, which it probably should as much as I don't like to say it, then you can run around claiming the sky is falling, but all it would do is tighten things up and probably cause much needed regulation for this fucked up industry.

Self regulation won't work, the strong greed factor by too many raging imbeciles is just too easily accessible and rampant. We are all the cause of this unfortunately, so we've made our bed and now we're being forced to lay in it. Good, its the way things were going anyway. Survival of the fittest and smartest are the few who will prevail in this game thankfully, I just hope I'm retired and far far away when its all over with.
 
There is no world organization (aka UN, INTERPOL, BBB, Jews or NWO BS) that makes the rules, THE card associations/banks make the rules.

Have to respectfully disagree with this point, Jon. If this were true you wouldn't see gov't intervention on the CC companies hiking up interest rates, hidden in the fine print, to unacceptable levels.

Why did all the CC companies pull out of online gambling? CHARGEBACKS. They lost a fortune. Gamblers sued for hundreds of thousands of dollars claiming Visa shouldnt have allowed them to take out money to begin with since online gambling was illegal. I suspect there was also government pressure, too. e.g. the UIGEA act (attached to the Port Bill in 06) had banks scrambling to find and decline gambing processing codes.

Granted, affiliate marketing chargebacks arent at the same high amounts, but the volume is probably a lot more. I don't see how banks make $ on chargebacks, it involves a ton of paperwork and back and forth and employee time.

Yeah, the CC companies are their own bosses, only to an extent. But even they can't escape Congress, unless they go through corresponding banks outside the US perhaps, not sure which country's laws would be tested.
 
Rule 4:
This is the last goddamn time I'm going to say this... the CONTINUITY/negative option side of our industry is not to blame. We all are. Banks, processors, advertisers, call centers, mailers, networks, affiliates, and even the pretend affiliates who spread fake news around and pretend to be balling but really just get sponsored to fly everywhere and say they are doing shit when they really know dick. EVERYONE. Consumers too. Feds too! Quit blaming everyone but yourself you dip shits.

Who could possibly have the gall to pretend to be an affiliate making hundreds of thousands of dollars every month? :338:
 
The thing is that people buying into adult subscription are, 99.999% of the time, ashamed of their purchase and won't fight with the CC companies to get a refund. They will usually be very happy just to get out the rebill process.

There are actually quite a few chargebacks in the adult niche. Those surfers are getting ripped off 80% of the time.
 
Have to respectfully disagree with this point, Jon. If this were true you wouldn't see gov't intervention on the CC companies hiking up interest rates, hidden in the fine print, to unacceptable levels.

Why did all the CC companies pull out of online gambling? CHARGEBACKS. They lost a fortune. Gamblers sued for hundreds of thousands of dollars claiming Visa shouldnt have allowed them to take out money to begin with since online gambling was illegal. I suspect there was also government pressure, too. e.g. the UIGEA act (attached to the Port Bill in 06) had banks scrambling to find and decline gambing processing codes.

Granted, affiliate marketing chargebacks arent at the same high amounts, but the volume is probably a lot more. I don't see how banks make $ on chargebacks, it involves a ton of paperwork and back and forth and employee time.

Yeah, the CC companies are their own bosses, only to an extent. But even they can't escape Congress, unless they go through corresponding banks outside the US perhaps, not sure which country's laws would be tested.

Now now, don't go bringing up what happened with the online gaming industry in the US and say that chargebacks from credit cards played such a huge role in why it was made illegal or why a few banks pulled out. Many major US banks were holding on and processing cash in and out requests for US citizens until the very bitter end because in spite of the lawless 90's in terms of regulation, security, and processing (all being in its infancy online so of course fraud was rampant as all hell but that shit took a serious nose dive long before the law passed).

Outlawing gambling online had waaaaay more to do with politics than billing or fraud. We can probably sit here for a few hours shooting off all kinds of facts on what led to it being outlawed. The way that industry worked compared to this are like night and day so that's really not fair to bring it up and say that the same rules apply because casino is just one of those industries that has always been and will always be the biggest exception to how the banks and cards make their rules and govern each other without the law of the land stepping in and having their say.

[US players still make up at least 70% of the online casino market even with the laws that passed. Banks still process the worldwide demand regardless of the downside of fraud/chargebacks. Hell, two of the largest offline gaming corporations who were all for the ban a few years ago want to actually reverse it because now they feel confident enough to handle online market again.]

Start a new thread if you really want to be a master-debater on this topic because its just going to bring up things that will never effect our industry or any of this continuity stuff to begin with.
 
I agree with you 100% on all points. My only reasoning for bringing it up was you claimed banks answer to no one other than to themselves (or how I read it), I was just trying to point out that Big Brother Watching ultimately is the final decision maker at the top of the food chain.
 
Two independent sources have just confirmed MC has been doing secret shopper transactions on the biggest offers out there. Customer experience and service, sticky billing (processing rebills on the same MID as the initial transaction), upsells, and landing page compliance are why many of the offers are down today.

What bank do you refer to when you say master card?

You guys all process through major/the same US banks?

These general terms are driving me nuts
 
What bank do you refer to when you say master card?

You guys all process through major/the same US banks?

These general terms are driving me nuts

Someone from MC itself actually has been making test purchases and they have been contacting banks that process for these merchants about their portfolio. Both domestically as well as internationally.
 
It's bullshit what wells fargo is doing, but they are beholden to the rules of VISA and MasterCard.

I heard from a friend that a lot of people are starting to use online Checks for continuity and rebilling. I'd be happy to pass along any of your information to my friend and im sure he would be glad to help you all out. PM me if you are interested