Your views on PPC Arbitrage
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juniodude said:
No way. In fact the only maintenance I do is pay for traffic once a week and check my adsense stats to make sure CTR hasn't dropped.
juniodude said:
It seems like some people refer to arbitrage as sending PPC traffic to an affiliate landing page, but that's not what I consider arbitrage. Arbitarge, at least in my book, is sending cheap PPC traffic to more expensive AdSense ads (or any PPC ads).
I'm sorry buddy, but how can you have a "magic formula" when you haven't even started it. You may have something mapped out in your head that you think is fool proof, but trust me, once you get started, you'll run into issues that will rip your "magic formula" to shreads.Juicify said:
Don't go around giving advice, or your "magic formula", on something that you have absolutely zero expirence in.
EDIT: Peter, there are some nickle clicks to be had through AdCenter last time I checked.
juniodude said:
I do "arbitrage" on some of my sites.
juniodude said:
How long to get into it? One day I just setup a simple three page site with emphasis on the adsense and threw some PPC traffic at it. It was profitable, so I made so more. And yea, I do other things to make money online.
alrightpeter said:
Absolutely! That's what I've always thought too. I guess technically affiliate stuff counts too. But generally when someone uses the word "arbitrage" I just think of buying something cheap and selling it to somewhere RELATED for more. Like buying currency in one country and taking it to another for a profit. OR buying traffic cheap and "selling" it to people that want the same traffic for more (ie, adsense).
Otherwise I just call affiliate marketing with PPC.... "PPC affiliate marketing."
I just want to let everyone know that PPC Arbitrage is like finding the key and passcode for a newly stocked ATM. Well, maybe not THAT easy or big, but definitely along the same lines. I give it at least 3 years before it starts becoming a little whored out. But really, there are so many tens of millions of niches out there, that it will be pretty hard for anyone to truly dominate. So there is a ton of room for everyone, and a ton of cash on the line to be made. In some ways I feel like this shit is so easy to do, and the potential to make so much money is like the day my programmers made me the ICQ spam bot, and we were the only ones spamming ICQ for 10 months straight. We made so much fucking money it was rediculous. But then people caught on. But even so, it didn't matter, and in that area, it was bound to be saturated quickly. But here, there is literally no limit.
You can make 100 keyword sites, or 10. Either way, you will see a minimum of a 3:1 ROI immediately. CTR's as high as 77%. Payouts so far as high as $6.25 a click. Granted, the avg will usually teter at around 30% CTR, and $0.45-$1.25 per click, but when you're spending under 10 cents a click, who gives a shit?
You can make 100 keyword sites, or 10. Either way, you will see a minimum of a 3:1 ROI immediately. CTR's as high as 77%. Payouts so far as high as $6.25 a click. Granted, the avg will usually teter at around 30% CTR, and $0.45-$1.25 per click, but when you're spending under 10 cents a click, who gives a shit?
So wait, you are allowed to set your limit on how much you want to pay per day, but how do you know the ads you have on your site will get clicked enough or that they will be so much greater in value than the first clicks?
I'm weary because looking at the numbers, it doesn't make much sense.
So, say you pay $0.10 per click from adwords. Actually, yeah, where will you find good traffic and cheap click rate? Then, say 25% CTR, which I don't get how it could be so high still. Will you throw up a big 300x300 content box, a 728xwhatever leaderboard, and a link unit or something and then only have some information, so basically the ads rules the page to make sure the people click on an ad?
So 25% CTR, $0.40/click, you pay $0.10/click. You don't make anything, and since you aren't paying much in clicks, there won't be much traffic either? And this is hoping that you even get that high of a CTR.
And then the fact comes that you have to find a niche to make sure your clicks are always $0.40 or higher.
This stuff just seems too good to be true or am i just dumb? :/
I'm weary because looking at the numbers, it doesn't make much sense.
So, say you pay $0.10 per click from adwords. Actually, yeah, where will you find good traffic and cheap click rate? Then, say 25% CTR, which I don't get how it could be so high still. Will you throw up a big 300x300 content box, a 728xwhatever leaderboard, and a link unit or something and then only have some information, so basically the ads rules the page to make sure the people click on an ad?
So 25% CTR, $0.40/click, you pay $0.10/click. You don't make anything, and since you aren't paying much in clicks, there won't be much traffic either? And this is hoping that you even get that high of a CTR.
And then the fact comes that you have to find a niche to make sure your clicks are always $0.40 or higher.
This stuff just seems too good to be true or am i just dumb? :/
Not from adwords. There are plenty of other PPC providers.Saadh said:
Exactly, there are as many ads on the page as I am allowed. One rectangle, one adlink, and some others scattered around. Add pictures next to some of them. I get a 60% CTR on some pages.Saadh said:
Come on, that's easy to do.Saadh said:
Jon said:
I wonder if you would ever do a public experiment with one site and let us see from start to finish how its doing, where you get the traffic, what the site looks like, etc, etc... an public experiment would be kinda neat. But then again every Joe would jump in if word got out it worked and stuff.. maybe its better you don't.
I think a lot of people go wrong using adwords. The whole idea is to buy as LOW as you can and sell as HIGH as possible. You create your own profit. It can be done with adwords, but in general adwords is expensive. Use one of the smaller PPC networks like searchfeed. It's easy to get really low CPCs. Then use a relatively expensive network like AdSense to collect the revenue.
Also, the traffic quality doesn't *have* to be that good. As long as they have a mild interest in your niche, people will click almost anything if it's placed properly on the page.
I've had some success with PPC arbitrage, but don't find it quite as easy as Jon makes out - unfortunately.
Also, the traffic quality doesn't *have* to be that good. As long as they have a mild interest in your niche, people will click almost anything if it's placed properly on the page.
I've had some success with PPC arbitrage, but don't find it quite as easy as Jon makes out - unfortunately.
Hey, I was looking at a post Jon made in the lightning round #3. I was wondering exactly what he meant by this
Also, do you guys suggest me to invest about $200 in links to my new iPod site, which is doing pretty bad in traffic or play around with arbitrage?
For this kind of thing I would need to buy 2-3 domains? and then spend about $10 on each of them even though they are all in the same niche? Is that what he means? Then fine tune until I start seeing results and then I can either keep one if one is doing much better or all if their all pulling in money? Am i right in assuming that is what he means? This arbitrage stuff really makes me interested...i just dont want to screw up anywhere.
Also, do you guys suggest me to invest about $200 in links to my new iPod site, which is doing pretty bad in traffic or play around with arbitrage?
Basically, yeah I think that's what he means. But you don't need 3 different domains. If it's all in the same niche it's just a small site with 3 or 4 pages each designed to maximise click throughs. I think the reason Jon said spend $10 on each campaign is so you can compare what works and what doesn't - instead of just bombing out with a single campaign. Like he says, trial and error.
Well, you could do it like that. But the ones I've done have been mini sites with about 3-5 pages that do link to eachother. And they also have some useful content - not just trash. But obviously the major component is still the text ads. Certainly the only links going OUT of the site are paying links.
Not sure exactly what Jon does but I would imagine it's something similar.
Not sure exactly what Jon does but I would imagine it's something similar.
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