we are going to do a arbi test!

[greenvy]

Yes ok .But how exactly? What is best to do ? Go for high paying keywords with a lot of competition? For example now i was trying to do something with a keyword that was at the 6-10 $ price range but i had to pay .29 c for the first place. And as i already said didnt get a click for that one and is a very popular keyword. Can you give me a example?

DON'T PAY MORE THEN 0.10 A CLICK!!....

look for niche with a lot of competition and a lot of searches. What i usually do is open up Google Adword: Keyword Tool. Type in my keywords, set the data to display "Keyword Popularity", this will show you how much competition your up against and also the search volume. Once I get those information, I change the setting to "Cost and Ad Position", this will show you how much the highest bidder is bidding for your keyword. BUT DON'T BELIEVE GOOGLE, its usually a lot less then what you'll see, like 60% less.

Thats why I open up Overture Keyword Tool, type in the same keyword and it should display on the right side the "real bid cost" (actually about 30% less than what is shown) for the #1 spot and so on. I go by this data because it more reasonable. On the left side you also see the searches of your keyword from the previous month. Once you have concluded that your keyword has a high bidding price (I look for anything thats $2 or more in Overture) and search volume in the X,XXX. That should be a pretty good niche to try out.

BUT ALWAYS REMEMBER NOT TO BID MORE THEN 0.10 A CLICK!

 

[ImagesAndWords]

I'm about to try out some totally different topics soon.
For my two first test arbi pages, I used high-volume keywords within popular financial niches. However, as I have reported in another thread http://www.wickedfire.com/traffic-supreme/5010-no-traffic-7search-24-hours.html, I have yet to receive more than ONE click in 8 days

But I have taken some advice to try other niches and upper my bid prices, perhaps to $0.20+
I will also be autogenerating sites on a bigger scale soon but need to figure out how I can speed of the tidious task of setting up the ads in 7search.

 

[Setec]

DON'T PAY MORE THEN 0.10 A CLICK!!....

I disagree. A better rule might be don't START OUT paying more than $0.10/click.

I'm paying $0.12/click on average across all my niches. Several are at $0.06-$0.08, but I've tweaked some of them up as far as $0.22. You can start to raise bids once you have some good performance data for your page and you see that you're not ranking very high on the 7Search network. Just be sure you know what you're doing mathematically, because otherwise raising your bids is usually a waste of money.

 

[Adsense Loser]

You can spend $1+ a click if you can make it profitable..

 

[JeremyL]

You are all doing a lot of KW research. That sure takes time. I just throw 10K keywords up and see what works. Tweak a bit and if still no profit drop the bad ones and move on. Takes more money up front, but it sure goes quicker.

 

[Setec]

You are all doing a lot of KW research. That sure takes time. I just throw 10K keywords up and see what works. Tweak a bit and if still no profit drop the bad ones and move on.

I do the keyword research to figure out which TOPICS to use for my pages.

Figuring out which keywords to bid on is trivial, and takes less time than throwing up 10K. I just throw up the top 5-50 per niche and move on. With a low number like that it's easy to micromanage the bids, and the top terms are the only ones getting any singificant number of clicks on 7Search anyway.

 

[TheCableMonkey]

Most of my niches are in the CTR 45-50% range. Pretty sweet.

One of my niches sucks completely. The only thing I like about it it get about 40 clicks per day. But its just not converting at decent rate. Its got the exact same layout as my other stuff.

I tried putting 3 adsense boxes on the page instead of 1. That was a horrible disaster. Nobody clicked on the top paying stuff and I went down to six cent clicks. My CTR did go up tho. So I guess now i'm trying 2 ad units. Perhaps this type of traffic needs a different layout. *pulls teeth* Should I just burn this and keep treading or should I figure this out...

MAKE THIS THREAD STICKIE ALREADY!

 

[technomad]

About the amount to bid. Should we always try to be in the top 5? If $.06 is my bid cap, is it more important to find keywords where $.06 is the top bid or is it ok to bid $.06, not be in the top 5, but have a strong performing keyword?

 

[TheCableMonkey]

About the amount to bid. Should we always try to be in the top 5? If $.06 is my bid cap, is it more important to find keywords where $.06 is the top bid or is it ok to bid $.06, not be in the top 5, but have a strong performing keyword?

If you give me 500 dollars. i'll give you 3000 dollars. Will that work for you? Oh wait, you're only willing to give me six cents. I'll find someone else.

 

[waz67]

I have one niche where I'm doubling my money with an average 7search cpc of 22 cents, so don't think you can't go higher than .06. In fact, hardly any of my profitable niches are under .06.

 

[chrislingle]

I have never stuck to the $.06 thing.

 

[technomad]

I guess the real point of my question was how vital is it to be in the top 5 for bids?

 

[chrislingle]

tech - it is hard to say, there are some niches that do ok out of the top 5 and some that don't

 

[TheCableMonkey]

I think alot of people are overlooking the ad they place. I know I certainly do. I switched my ad today and my clicks dropped 50%. I had another ad that I put FREE SHIPPING in the ad. That was a very successful approach. Too bad I do not ship anything. =)


If anyone has some advice/has done research or knows someone who has. Please point me in that direction. I hate to seem to over analize. I'm sure i'll get that response and the "just find more keywords" response.

 

[chrislingle]

I always talk about how important the ad actually is to click volume. However test multiple ads to the same landing page. write 2, the one with the best results wins, then right another, this does not work well for arbi though because it is a volume business that is much larger than aff would be. Your ad is the difference between good and great money

 

[Setec]

If you ever browse around 7Search to scope out your arbi competition, you'll see most of the ads written for arbi pages are TERRIBLE. They look like they were spit out of a template "Information on _blank_".

Somebody already mentioned this in one of the first 50 pages but it bears repating: advertise something that your arbi page can't deliver but the ads on it can.

 

[Jdog]

If you ever browse around 7Search to scope out your arbi competition, you'll see most of the ads written for arbi pages are TERRIBLE. They look like they were spit out of a template "Information on _blank_".

Somebody already mentioned this in one of the first 50 pages but it bears repating: advertise something that your arbi page can't deliver but the ads on it can.

Bingo. :rasta:

 

[Allen.H]

ook for niche with a lot of competition and a lot of searches. What i usually do is open up Google Adword: Keyword Tool. Type in my keywords, set the data to display "Keyword Popularity", this will show you how much competition your up against and also the search volume. Once I get those information, I change the setting to "Cost and Ad Position", this will show you how much the highest bidder is bidding for your keyword. BUT DON'T BELIEVE GOOGLE, its usually a lot less then what you'll see, like 60% less.

Thats why I open up Overture Keyword Tool, type in the same keyword and it should display on the right side the "real bid cost" (actually about 30% less than what is shown) for the #1 spot and so on. I go by this data because it more reasonable. On the left side you also see the searches of your keyword from the previous month. Once you have concluded that your keyword has a high bidding price (I look for anything thats $2 or more in Overture) and search volume in the X,XXX. That should be a pretty good niche to try out.

So you use YPN and not Adsense right? cause if Google Keyword tool shows 2 per click, and it's 60 precent less, then it must be less than one dollar, and putting Adsense ads wouldn't really be profitable, right?


Allen.H

 

[chrislingle]

Allen, stop, do not continue with arbitrage! quit before you loose money!

 

[Allen.H]

Allen, stop, do not continue with arbitrage! quit before you loose money!

It's interesting to see a member who holds a reasonable weight in the Wickedfire community marking a new member in hope to liquidate him. Only problem is you have chose the wrong noob to deal with. My mother tongue isn't English, and obviously it does take me some more time to understand things, but there's an ignore option that you can use so you don't see my posts if you only want to help smartasses like you.


Have a nice day,
Allen.H