Nathan said:
Alright, would you rather we build a niche site for you than using the script yourself? Because if that's the case I'll gladly do so, if that's what will make you feel satisfied.
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Alright, would you rather we build a niche site for you than using the script yourself? Because if that's the case I'll gladly do so, if that's what will make you feel satisfied.
A-D said:
Our model site, which hasn't been promoted at all, and had ZERO link campaign done on it, is about 4 months old now. It has a PR3 and gets traffic from all of the major engines. How did that happen? I'm not exactly sure, because the goal of the site wasn't to generate any revenue at all, and it does. The goal of that model site was exactly that, a model for the millions of sites we are going to create that are very similar to it. Now if the model site does so well (bfast banners too, not adsense) each day in revenue with no promotions, imagine what a site with promos and better targeted and placed ads will do?
Fair enough. If you will read my posts about this issue you will see that I never said or implied that I thought that we would be receiving original content. I'm not a moron and I can read. You did, however, state that there would be content and there was not. You also made us go to the trouble of selecting a niche for what turned out to be no good reason.Jon said:
No, you are at fault for not providing what was stated in the contest, which was and I quote:Jon said:
A zip file containing WP and some plugins hardly constitutes a site made by your team.Jon said:
I'm not pissed off as hell. Annoyed, yeah, but pissed off as hell, no.Jon said:
Lastly, in response to your remark about "ugly posts". It seems like your anything goes policy only applies so long as we are in agreement with you.
WallaceCleaver said:
Again, if you want me to repair the situation by having my guys make you a site, with the niche of your choice, fine. I'll do it. But that's as far as I'm going to fix this issue, because while I'm not going to sit here and ask for an apology for flaming the shit out the $25k thread when it was clearly your fault for not reading it properly. That's the end of it. If you don't want the site, then that's fine too. Again, it sucks that you thought differently, and you can damn well bet that I learned my lesson from contests and will never send over any downloadable materials for people to do it themselves again. Instead, I will have my team create sites and let everyone oooh and ahhh over them instead of utilizing them for themselves.
First of all, I didn't "flame the shit" out of your thread. Peach brought up an issue and myself, along with other winners, began to discuss it. Was it off topic? Yes. Was it flaming? No.Jon said:
Now, Jon, we couldn't all have misread the contest rules in the exact same way. We all took it to mean the same thing and there is no way that this many people in seperate corners of the globe could come to the same conclusion if that wasn't what was to be taken from your post.
And before you personally attack me, I would just like to point out to you that I tried many times to discuss this matter with you in private.
My input: I think everyone here is arguing more than is necessary for a misunderstanding.
I guess in my opinion, the biggest thing that made Jon's description of the prize a misunderstanding was that he said it was a site, and a site is:
And a website:
$5 says that most of the people complaining wouldn't be if Jon had setup the script on a domain for ya
I guess in my opinion, the biggest thing that made Jon's description of the prize a misunderstanding was that he said it was a site, and a site is:
Dictionary.com said:
And a website:
Dictionary.com said:
$5 says that most of the people complaining wouldn't be if Jon had setup the script on a domain for ya
I didn't enter, didn't win, and maybe shouldn't even be in this thread.
Eh, fuggit.
I'd much rather have a script so I can duplicate the process hundreds of times then one measly little site. I'd make a hell of a lot more money that way, and learn something in the process.
Something to consider, for those who *do* have the script.
Eh, fuggit.
I'd much rather have a script so I can duplicate the process hundreds of times then one measly little site. I'd make a hell of a lot more money that way, and learn something in the process.
Something to consider, for those who *do* have the script.
Jon, I have to hand it to you, you've built a really strong cult of personality here.
A couple of things:
You're talking about splogging. Spam blogging. I find it kind of disturbing that you've got these people hanging on your every word and this is the direction you're pointing them in. This kind of stuff can get people's AdSense accounts banned (which might be why you're using bfast instead?), and I think anyone with half a brain knows that RSS scraper sites probably aren't going to have any kind of real future. People like you might make money doing it for awhile (through brute force and huge numbers), but I think you're the exception. Most people don't have people working for them or the ability to scale something like this to the level that it would take to make serious money.
Anyway, I'm not terribly pissed about this, as I said in our IM conversation after you sent me the zip files. After we had our conversation on the forum about content theft this was what I was expecting.
And seriously, for everyone posting that by golly if they had the script they'd make huge money, here you go:
www.google.com
It's not hard to figure out how to set up an RSS scraper site. Jesus.
A couple of things:
You're talking about splogging. Spam blogging. I find it kind of disturbing that you've got these people hanging on your every word and this is the direction you're pointing them in. This kind of stuff can get people's AdSense accounts banned (which might be why you're using bfast instead?), and I think anyone with half a brain knows that RSS scraper sites probably aren't going to have any kind of real future. People like you might make money doing it for awhile (through brute force and huge numbers), but I think you're the exception. Most people don't have people working for them or the ability to scale something like this to the level that it would take to make serious money.
Anyway, I'm not terribly pissed about this, as I said in our IM conversation after you sent me the zip files. After we had our conversation on the forum about content theft this was what I was expecting.
And seriously, for everyone posting that by golly if they had the script they'd make huge money, here you go:
www.google.com
It's not hard to figure out how to set up an RSS scraper site. Jesus.
JDA said:
I've got scrapers that have been in the engines, making $, for over a year.
That's not so bad, IMHO.
And anyway, I'm not saying these sites can't make money, or that they can't rank well, etc. etc. I'm saying that there's potential for things to go quite wrong that doesn't exist with purely white hat sites. If you're fine with that then ok, but I get the feeling that a lot of people begging for the script don't really know what they're getting into, they just hear from Jon that it makes money and they think "hey me too".
ok well i wasnt involved in the contest but I can tell you this from experience. The scraper sites do make money, and they are shortlived. Very seldom does a scraper site stay in the engines to awfully long. I have made cash on some of them, but honestly I never got into scrapers by decision. I can give you the thread at DP where I paid 3500.00 for a site that was supposed to be making 25.00 a day, and when after listening to his bullshit for a few weeks saying oh yeah it will make money, I confronted him on it and never heard from him again. He was supposedly making 350-400 a day using this same technique, and when I asked for a refund in the forums he said he was broke and was losing his house, so that is why he sold me the site. Fukn bastard.
Now back on point... I still have a few of these sites and they still generate a few bucks a day, but I have also spent a lot of money on domain names, .info's are the cheapest. And at every update more and more sites get canned. Fact. I had one site that really kicked off good was making decent money and once the G update hit, it gets dropped like a bad habit. The key to these sites is not using scraped content at all. I do not have a rss on any of mine now, it keeps the sites in the SE's a lot longer, and each page of the 1000's of keywords have their own unique content. Although slightly different, but still enough to not get slapped supplemental.
So its a 2 edged blade. You have to be able to crank these sites out at a pretty fast clip to make some cash, and you cant just build 20 today and not 20 tommorow, everyday you must build build build,, because one site may drop everyday. go over to syndk8 forums, read up and see what they say. The people that really make a killing have people designing software for them and pay 10's of K's for the latest thing. And their software churns out a site a minute. Even the script i got ripped off from buying, takes 30 mins to an hour to build 1 500 page site.
sorry for the rant, just wanted to let you guys know that it works, but most sites dont stay around forever, some do. Dont use RSS on them , use tokens. Make your own content with embedded tokens ( this is the key to a long life) and you want hit supplemental results along with thousands of other white,grey and black hat sites. And I guess the other key is still do seo on them, and build backlinks and submit it everywhere.
And I do have proof to back up everything I stated here.lol
Mill.
Now back on point... I still have a few of these sites and they still generate a few bucks a day, but I have also spent a lot of money on domain names, .info's are the cheapest. And at every update more and more sites get canned. Fact. I had one site that really kicked off good was making decent money and once the G update hit, it gets dropped like a bad habit. The key to these sites is not using scraped content at all. I do not have a rss on any of mine now, it keeps the sites in the SE's a lot longer, and each page of the 1000's of keywords have their own unique content. Although slightly different, but still enough to not get slapped supplemental.
So its a 2 edged blade. You have to be able to crank these sites out at a pretty fast clip to make some cash, and you cant just build 20 today and not 20 tommorow, everyday you must build build build,, because one site may drop everyday. go over to syndk8 forums, read up and see what they say. The people that really make a killing have people designing software for them and pay 10's of K's for the latest thing. And their software churns out a site a minute. Even the script i got ripped off from buying, takes 30 mins to an hour to build 1 500 page site.
sorry for the rant, just wanted to let you guys know that it works, but most sites dont stay around forever, some do. Dont use RSS on them , use tokens. Make your own content with embedded tokens ( this is the key to a long life) and you want hit supplemental results along with thousands of other white,grey and black hat sites. And I guess the other key is still do seo on them, and build backlinks and submit it everywhere.
And I do have proof to back up everything I stated here.lol
Mill.
JDA said:
I don't share my lesser then lily-white hat URL's with anyone.
That said, it's not about whether you, or anyone, believes me or anyone else who builds this type of site and does well with it.
More just a statement of (1) don't knock it till you try it and (2) sometimes what we're told (i.e. sites like this don't make $, sites like this don't last in the SE's) isn't always true. And, like much of life, we're probably better off testing and trying for ourselves then always believing what others say.
Someone may have used 1 script to build some sites like this, failed miserably. Another script, slightly differnt, may be successful. Keyword/niche selection is paramount. Backlink building. Etc. There are so many variables, one can never say "This doesn't work" or "Only this kind of site does work."
Even though I don't build white hat sites anymore, I'd never tell someone not too. And, although I've never seen the script, I'd rather learn a new technique, maybe pick up a few tips, then dismiss it. Sometimes you can learn white hat applications of black hat techniques too.
This business is about learning, keeping up with the trends, staying a step ahead of the competition. If someone personally isn't comfortable with a technique, that doesn't mean it won't work for others who are ok with it. It's a personal line we all have to determine for ourselves, and that's... well, our own decision.
I just try to look at everything as a learning opportunity before I dismiss it as "not for me."
Well as I stated I honestly never intended to do blackhat, it was a 3500.00 purchase that I had to do something with.
I also will tell you that if all you have is Blackhat sites then your not as smart as those who just do white hat sites and vice versa. You need a mix of everything, have some pretty sites and have some bastard sites, who cares. How many of the heavy hitters on the internet have all white hat sites? None that I know, but who has all blackhat sites except apparently michelles. Most blackhats I know arent straight blackhats, even those trying to act like their a rebel for doing so and think its cool. People over at syndk8 have a mix of both, they use the earnings from BH sites to buy WH sites to expand their revenue streams.
I own both, I havent built any BH sites in a while, but if I had to kick my earnings in the ass I guess I would. But to each their own.
But this conversation still isnt about if BH sites work or not, its about the members here feeling they didnt get what was stated. If you want to talk BH lets start a thread in shoot the shit, or go to PM or Syndk8.lol
I want post no more here and let them get back to their issues at hand.
I also will tell you that if all you have is Blackhat sites then your not as smart as those who just do white hat sites and vice versa. You need a mix of everything, have some pretty sites and have some bastard sites, who cares. How many of the heavy hitters on the internet have all white hat sites? None that I know, but who has all blackhat sites except apparently michelles. Most blackhats I know arent straight blackhats, even those trying to act like their a rebel for doing so and think its cool. People over at syndk8 have a mix of both, they use the earnings from BH sites to buy WH sites to expand their revenue streams.
I own both, I havent built any BH sites in a while, but if I had to kick my earnings in the ass I guess I would. But to each their own.
But this conversation still isnt about if BH sites work or not, its about the members here feeling they didnt get what was stated. If you want to talk BH lets start a thread in shoot the shit, or go to PM or Syndk8.lol
I want post no more here and let them get back to their issues at hand.
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