Trump's Revenge

It amuses me to no end when I am the one labeled as the conspiracy theorist, yet I'm the calm one in the thread, telling others not to make such wild assumptions. :xmas-smiley-016:

he's not responding to any of these requests because then it would set a precedent where he'd have to respond to other whack jobs for any other conspiracy ideas they have....Plus, it's not Obama's job to take actions that lead to donations for any organization while he's the president.
Talk about a weak premise... There is no other time on record of $5 Million ready to go to needy children on the line... Clearly such a large barrier-to-entry could be made exception for. Even if it happened weekly!

Please do us a favor Darrin & ask yourself why you really feel so strongly that its' real... Did you scan it in yourself that fateful day in Hawaii? You seem to be emotionally reacting at this point, not making a case.


Or people who are smart when it comes to their business, but total dumbasses when it comes to anything else in life.
Could be. However, $5 million is a business transaction. He may have no personal reputation worth defending, but he's still going to buy and sell shiny buildings in the future and needs to keep his business reputation untarnished.

How much this little fit would harm it has yet to be seen, but if he doesn't have the Dox then it will certainly do him more harm than good.


ok now i remember why i hate lukep
WTF? I was just about to compliment you on the tags, as usual. Say you don't mean it, bro!

(Or at least tell me what about my words on this thread you hate.)


man George W Bush was a real live war-mongering puppet, and I didn't hate him half as much as some of you conspiracy theorists hate Obama.
Have I displayed any hatred here? I find all of this entertaining... It's like egomaniacs on ice or something...


I'm glad lukep has come around and is joining the fight to get Mitt Romney elected. I've got VIP tickets to his acceptance party on election night if you want to be my +1?
Lulz... I just realize that the outcome of the election is whatever TPTB wanted it to be back when they set their plans in motion... No amount of this kind of entertainment towards either side can change that outcome.
 


It amuses me to no end when I am the one labeled as the conspiracy theorist, yet I'm the calm one in the thread, telling others not to make such wild assumptions. :xmas-smiley-016:


Talk about a weak premise... There is no other time on record of $5 Million ready to go to needy children on the line... Clearly such a large barrier-to-entry could be made exception for. Even if it happened weekly!

Please do us a favor Darrin & ask yourself why you really feel so strongly that its' real... Did you scan it in yourself that fateful day in Hawaii? You seem to be emotionally reacting at this point, not making a case.

My case is that if Obama were to take up the offer, he will have established that if you offer millions of dollars to a charity, he'll cater to your whims. Then everyone's going to say that he can be bribed into taking action on your requests. At what point does this all stop?

It stops by him ignoring the request. It's not Obama's responsibility to answer to this shit. And him ignoring some dumbass billionare's incessant conspiracy shilling is not an admission of guilt, it's an efficient use of Obama's time.

I subscribe to Occam's razor at every turn in life. So, what's more likely: that Obama was born in Honolulu in 1961 and because of poor document handling in the pre-internet world on a god damn island that the original documents were lost...or that there's a major government conspiracy involving many agents who are committing a massive coverup and fraud operation in order to hide the fact that we have an illegitimate president?

I'm not emotionally reacting to anything, I'm looking at the facts. I only have a copy of my birth certificate. I don't even know where that is right now to be honest. Which charity should I donate to to prove I'm an American?

Just because some things/events/people have odd little discrepancies doesn't mean there's malicious intent at the core of the issue. Some shit is just odd.

And just because there isn't a perfect explanation for something doesn't open the door for any wild ass idea to be true. Argument from ignorance - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

"Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence"
 
According to Wayne Madsen Obama was born in the US but gave up his citizenship to go to school in Indonesia. (The school he attended is only for Indonesian citizens.) Obama doesn't want his college transcripts released because they probably list him as a foreign student.

Parents cannot renounce the US citizenship of minors. And for anyone to give up their citizenship, they have to show they have a full understanding of what they are doing.

Indonesia might have considered Obama a citizen, but he was under 10 years old at the time, so I don't see how he could have had a US one taken away.


But he's probably not going to because he's been ducking this issue since he got into office.

You seem confused. Obama already released a long form birth certificate in response to Trump. Trump now wants college records and a passport application.

Romney (whose father was born in Mexico) hasn't released any of those things either. Neither did Bush, we only know he had a C average because those records got leaked to the media.
 
My case is that if Obama were to take up the offer, he will have established that if you offer millions of dollars to a charity, he'll cater to your whims. Then everyone's going to say that he can be bribed into taking action on your requests. At what point does this all stop?
Much better. Now you're working it out, not just reacting.

Since it's a offer that has huge scarcity attached, ($5 Million pricetag, not many will pony that up, ever) just once or twice is all we need talk about. No one is ever going to associate it with bribery because it's charity to sick kids or something and at the same time "obama milked that rich fool dry." -He'd be a hero to some for taking Trump up on it... & certainly to the recipients of that charity.


It's not Obama's responsibility to answer to this shit. And him ignoring some dumbass billionare's incessant conspiracy shilling is not an admission of guilt, it's an efficient use of Obama's time.
Or something that could be bad to his reputation, we don't know for sure.

This isn't about responsibility, and it isn't even about setting precidents, because of the aforementioned scarecity. In all truth, this is about Obama's popularity taking a hit just before his election, which it appears that Trump has some control over now. (Again, only if he has said dox.)


I subscribe to Occam's razor at every turn in life.
Excellent, I do so as well. I've also noticed that we agree a lot on threads that don't involve the government.

So, what's more likely: that Obama was born in Honolulu in 1961 and because of poor document handling in the pre-internet world on a god damn island that the original documents were lost...or that there's a major government conspiracy involving many agents who are committing a massive coverup and fraud operation in order to hide the fact that we have an illegitimate president?
My favorite game!

Here's how it's played... You have to put both negatives and positives for each case on its' side. What you have done is cherrypicked those two scenarios.

For your "A" scenario, you left out that the following negatives:

1. The hawaiian document scanner behaved differently than other known & tested document scanners for some reason, perhaps because it was some off-brand technology that no one has ever heard of?

2. The fishy responses by the obama administration in regards to the birth certificate, such as how no long form certificate ever existed, were brought about by some kind of delusion or misinformation.

3. Then by extension, you should also include the extremely quick time in which Obama rose from nowhere to become president without even serving one full term in any federal office! Yeah, it's legal, but damn odd.​


Then on the "B" scenario, you left out the following positives:

1. Conspiracies and coverups are as common on capital hill as hookers are.

2. Anyone with enough power could be behind this particular conspiracy, not just some politicians or "Teh government."​


So when you weigh those two choices more realistically, I'd say it's still a toss-up. We really don't have enough information to know yet, but the PDF problem really does seem to be a smoking gun that you can't just push under the table and pretend like it didn't happen. Not because it's "perfect" evidence, but because it's pretty much the only "hard" evidence in the case.



I'm not emotionally reacting to anything, I'm looking at the facts.
I was referring to all of the super-large fonts and your tendency to dismiss a premise here with prejudice. Remember, I didn't force you into this conversation, you keep coming back to this thread.


I only have a copy of my birth certificate. I don't even know where that is right now to be honest. Which charity should I donate to to prove I'm an American?
Strawman arguments too.


Just because some things/events/people have odd little discrepancies doesn't mean there's malicious intent at the core of the issue. Some shit is just odd.
Given, but to play the game you wanted to play, which scenario, A or B, has a sum of more oddness?

You gotta admit, scenario A is pretty odd too.


And just because there isn't a perfect explanation for something doesn't open the door for any wild ass idea to be true. Argument from ignorance - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
That would make sense if I said that his citizenship CAN'T be legit, but I didn't, did I? I'm saying the opposite should be considered. You're saying very clearly that it shouldn't be considered, bestowing a questionable amount of trust in someone who's job it is to constantly lie to us and steal from us, and even kill us from time to time and then lie about that too.

I'm sorry, but this shit just ain't logical!


"Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence"
"WRITING IN LARGE FONTS IS NOT A WAY TO PROVE YOU'RE RIGHT ON THE INTERNET"
 
Trump is doing a publicity stunt, and LukeP is a fucking idiot as always.

Also it's questionable if Trump is really a billionaire. He ruined his father's business and turned it into an hollowed out empty shell. Without a doubt he's a multi millionaire, but Trump makes his money licensing his name out to real estate developers and anyone else willing to pay him money. That's it. He's not even a real businessman anymore. He's a fucking reality TV show star who is using his family name as a brand.

Trump's pretty much no different than "gurus" like Robert G Allen.

Of course complete fucking suckers like LukeP take the bait hook line and sinker. Get a fucking clue LukeP!
 
Wow, you people are incredibly sure that this well-connected billionaire is such an attention-whore that he's willing to throw away $5 million while further tarnishing his reputation just to get some more airtime.

You give the man too much credit. He's gone bankrupt twice, the first time owing and welshing on $1billion in debt because of his failed casinos (which he whined that it was somehow someone else's fault he couldn't run properly), and then the second time $1.3 billion in debt.

It takes a particular type of non-genius to lose money on casinos, when there are so many suckers lining up to hand you their money. Hell, every single Native American casino makes vast profits! When have you heard of a Native American Casino going bankrupt? Never! Maybe Trump needs to ask them nicely if he could be their apprentice so he can learn the trade.

Just because he's on TV a lot doesn't mean he is a "success".
 
Also it's not like 5 million dollars is a huge amount of money. Obama wouldn't look very presidential if he did what that clown Trump demanded that he do.

Besides if Obama releases his passport application and transcripts, idiots like LukeP will still say it's forged just like his birth certificate.

It's really amazing that LukeP is so deluded that he actually thinks most Americans think Obama isn't an American citizen.
 
Of course Lukep is an idiot. He thought I was somebody major in the performance marketing industry simply because I write in a blog and worked for affiliate.com as a "rain maker".

~~Pace Out~~
 
My case is that if Obama were to take up the offer, he will have established that if you offer millions of dollars to a charity, he'll cater to your whims. Then everyone's going to say that he can be bribed into taking action on your requests. At what point does this all stop?


So it's OK to do it for special interests and pressure groups, but not charity?

Weak as fuck, son.
 
You give the man too much credit. He's gone bankrupt twice, the first time owing and welshing on $1billion in debt because of his failed casinos (which he whined that it was somehow someone else's fault he couldn't run properly), and then the second time $1.3 billion in debt.

It takes a particular type of non-genius to lose money on casinos, when there are so many suckers lining up to hand you their money. Hell, every single Native American casino makes vast profits! When have you heard of a Native American Casino going bankrupt? Never! Maybe Trump needs to ask them nicely if he could be their apprentice so he can learn the trade.

Just because he's on TV a lot doesn't mean he is a "success".


I like the part where peasant forum users, who probably sell car insurance form a cubicle during the day, come and say how stupid someone is for becoming rich and going broke multiple times.

Basically, what you're saying is, this guy is stupid because he was able to make fuck tons of money two different times in his life, while you haven't been able to do it once?

Just wanna make sure.
 
dchuk, who says Obama has to single out a charity? He can divide the $ up and give it to many charities. I know Trump says "a charity of your choice", but I'm sure a counter offer of "X number of charities" wouldn't be a deal breaker.

I will say this, all of the Obama apologists here are kind of funny. So fucking what if Obama makes up fake documents? At least charities or a charity will receive a lot of money. And the justification that some of you make that he "won't appear presidential" is so g'damn sad. What the fuck is presidential? He's a human being, supposedly, and any decent human being will take an hour or two max to produce a result of $5m going to charity. The least he could do is forfeit a session of golf to come up with the papers, or more realistically, tell one of his white house minions to do it for him.
 
Here are some proofs that it won't matter what gets brought out- voters gonna vote:

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Skw-0jv9kts]Obama Supporters Actually Hate Obama's Policies - YouTube[/ame]
 
I like the part where peasant forum users, who probably sell car insurance form a cubicle during the day, come and say how stupid someone is for becoming rich and going broke multiple times.

Basically, what you're saying is, this guy is stupid because he was able to make fuck tons of money two different times in his life, while you haven't been able to do it once?

Just wanna make sure.

Trump didn't make fuck tons of money you stupid fuck. He destroyed his father's business and couldn't even keep a casino profitable. How thick is that fucking skull of yours?

Trump is doing okay now, but he's making money purely out of licensing his name out and being a loudmouth attention whore on TV. You don't need to be a genius to do that. You simply need to whore out the family name that your Daddy worked hard to build.

This has been pointed out already and you still don't get it, so it doesn't sound like you're very bright.
 
Luke, you give him too much credit. Guy's a joke. Not all multimillionaires are smart/logical and a lot of them are total idiots.

Multi-BILLIONAIRE and that's the second time around. What do you have a few thousand dollars in the bank? And you are calling him a joke? Just making sure I understand you correctly.

His actual business acumen is like his hairdo.
Questionable.

What? Do you know what "acumen" means? Or were you throwing this word out to sound like you were trashing trump to look cool around your friends? The dude changes the skyline of major cities.. is that enough acumen for you ?

Just like Trump was right about Obama's birth certificate, huh?

You give Trump way too much credit. The man's an attentionwhore.

Trump want's to call a liar out cause he knows our country is fucked and he knows it's a shell game. He found a weak spot in their armor and is picking at it.


QFT. Trump's a gasbag with a bad comb-over. His buildings are as loud and gaudy as he is.

Hater.


Anyone who has even the slightest of doubts that Obama isn't a citizen of the US is fucking retarded. What incentive would the government have to let that slip through? Do you not think he might have had, ya know, a background check done before entering the race?

Also, Donald Trump is a fucking idiot and doesn't deserve any attention.

They actually have traced his entire life, that creates more than a slight doubt. What incentive would they have? HAHAHA je-sus-christ.. and you are calling others retarded?


IN WHAT WAY WOULD THE GOVERNMENT BENEFIT FROM OBAMA NOT BEING AN AMERICAN BORN CITIZEN???!?!?

There are so many important issues to be focusing on in this day and age and fuckwads like Trump are causing America to focus on shit that isn't even a question up for debate. The lack of an original birth certificate for a 51 year old man is an extremely ordinary thing to have happen; NO ONE KNEW HE WAS GOING TO BE THE PRESIDENT WHEN WE HAS BORN.

As for Trump haphazardly wasting money being an inconceivable idea: the man has gone bankrupt, and is not self made in the first place. He's being an idiot and attempting to stay relevant by pandering to the unintelligent masses of this country who think maybe, just maybe, Obama is really an Allah loving Kenyan hellbent on destroying this country.

Waste of god damn time this is.


They take someone that is perhaps underprivileged, yet power hungry and shows clear sign of corruptibility and blind obedience to power-givers, perhaps also ruthlessness. They find this guy in his late 20's or something and think .. this is a candidate (among about 100 candidates) they want to groom for future presidency.

They don't take a little baby and say this will be president.

Do you really need someone to tell you how the government would benefit from having a pawn running the most powerful economic and militaristic engine the world has ever seen?

I mean I will tell you .. but shit dude... really?
 
The theory: He renounced his US citizenship to study in Indonesia under the name Barry Soetoro (Lolo Soetoro was his Stepdad), and he later applied to college in the US as a foreign student. If you renounce your US Citizenship, you can't be President.

Do I think he's a closet Muslim set to destroy the USA? Nope.
Do I think he's a Christian? Yes.
Do I think he's a bad human being? No.
Do I think he's a good Dad and husband? Probably.
Do I think he's one of the most unknown, incompetent people to ever assume the presidency of the US? You bet.
Do I think he's a terrible President? Yes.

For fuck's sake - Bill Clinton was so effective because he worked with people on both sides of the aisle. He schmoozed with Republicans, befriended them, and got his fucking bills passed.

I'm currently reading "The Amateur" by Edward Klein. The Obamas have left nothing but carnage behind...
- Oprah now hates Obama
- Bill and Hillary Clinton hate Obama
- Caroline Kennedy (and the rest of the Kennedy family) now hates Obama
- Many Jews from Chicago and New York that got him elected now hate Obama
 
And the justification that some of you make that he "won't appear presidential" is so g'damn sad. What the fuck is presidential?

Yeah Obama will look alpha as fuck if he just jumps at the opportunity to do what Trump says. It totally won't set a precedent where Obama looks like he's easy to jerk around by private individuals who are just looking to puff up their own egos.

I don't like Obama, but playing into Trump's hand is stupid as fuck.
 
Yeah Obama will look alpha as fuck if he just jumps at the opportunity to do what Trump says. It totally won't set a precedent where Obama looks like he's easy to jerk around by private individuals who are just looking to puff up their own egos.

I don't like Obama, but playing into Trump's hand is stupid as fuck.

"Obama will look alpha as fuck"

Why does Obama have to look alpha as fuck? "Alpha as fuck" would be to spare a few minutes or hours to show what a dumbass Trump is, take $5 million from Trump, and give a charity $5 million.