True Detective

My biggest issue with the ending was that the entire show seemed to be building up to something ridiculously epic, and then BAM: Nothing. The killer isn't elaborate, captivating, or particularly threatening. Nor was the final showdown spectacular either.

It was like they went through all that headache and work to catch only a tiny part of a much bigger conspiracy (which was never resolved).

Loved the show and character development. Just wished they had ended more appropriately.
 


My biggest issue with the ending was that the entire show seemed to be building up to something ridiculously epic, and then BAM: Nothing. The killer isn't elaborate, captivating, or particularly threatening. Nor was the final showdown spectacular either.

Loved the show and character development. Just wished they had ended more appropriately.

Agreed, the character development was done so well for Hart and Cohle, wish they developed the killers character better over the season, rather than trying to rush everything in one hour. They made his wife (?) such a waste of a character, seemingly just for the shock value of watching him finger her on his lap. His sexual tendencies had nothing to do with his character, didn't explain why he killed women, or anything really for that matter.

Love the show though!
 
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*Don't read this shit if you haven't finished watching.

I get that, as far as not being able to get everyone involved, I liked that part because that adds to the realism. But to build up the Yellow King to be such a major part of the lot, only to be completely ignored in the end is just weak sauce. Plus, what the fuck was with Woody's daughter and the dolls - odd coincidence?

I dunno, I think the middle few episodes were too good and left the show unable to deliver on the same level in the end. Plus, it's too unrealistic to expect Rust not to die from being impaled.

The Yellow King wasn't ignored. The King in Yellow is a fictional play, in a book of short stories by the same name, that would drive the reader mad by revealing the desperate truths of the universe. Rust was driven crazy by the narrative the murderer(s) created. That's what his breakdown was throughout the series, culminating in his crying in the last few minutes of episode 8. Rust realized, after waking from his coma, that they hadn't caught/killed all of the murderers and never would. He was driven mad by the truth that no matter what, they could never completely overcome evil. The little bit at the end where Rust says there was only darkness in the beginning, and in that case the light seems to be winning, is a sort of redemption. Every little bit of darkness the light overcomes is a victory.
 
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The Yellow King wasn't ignored. The King in Yellow is a fictional play, in a book of short stories by the same name, that would drive the reader mad by revealing the desperate truths of the universe. Rust was driven crazy by the narrative the murderer(s) created. That's what his breakdown was throughout the series, culminating in his crying in the last few minutes of episode 8. Rust realized, after waking from his coma, that they hadn't caught/killed all of the murderers and never would. He was driven mad by the truth that no matter what, they could never completely overcome evil. The little bit at the end where Rust says there was only darkness in the beginning, and in that case the light seems to be winning, is a sort of redemption. Every little bit of darkness the light overcomes is a victory.

Okay, thanks for the explanation. That makes way more sense. I never really connected those dots.
 
^ No problem. Read a bit about the King in Yellow, if not the first couple stories in the book. When watching True Detective it is important to understand, in my opinion, that some scenes are for your benefit and don't necessarily mean much in the context of the mystery Rust and Marty are trying to solve, but instead make a more broad, philosophical point to you, the viewer. Read about Cosmicism/cosmic horror and H.P. Lovecraft, Carcosa, the King in Yellow and the black stars. You are really missing out on some of the astounding depth of this series if you don't. I consider myself somewhat of a literature-buff and this show put me on my ass. The writing [along with everything else] is truly awesome.
 
^ No problem. Read a bit about the King in Yellow, if not the first couple stories in the book. When watching True Detective it is important to understand, in my opinion, that some scenes are for your benefit and don't necessarily mean much in the context of the mystery Rust and Marty are trying to solve, but instead make a more broad, philosophical point to you, the viewer. Read about Cosmicism/cosmic horror and H.P. Lovecraft, Carcosa, the King in Yellow and the black stars. You are really missing out on some of the astounding depth of this series if you don't. I consider myself somewhat of a literature-buff and this show put me on my ass. The writing [along with everything else] is truly awesome.

Thanks.

I was just sent this link from a friend. A terrible surface review from an author pandering to her feminist readers. Really annoyed the shit out of me so I had to go somewhere to write out my take on the series.

Here's my take on a sum up of the series core story and message. Two main characters, one dealing with an existential crisis, the other dealing with a middle age/mortality crisis. These two character types bounce off each other well. One is sure of their existential beliefs and the other is accepting and almost even welcoming of death. This causes them to both rub on each other's weak spots and create the deep dialogue which is the center of the show while the two hunt down the villian.

The case pits Rust up against a character who is the embodiment of the worst form of his dark existentialism, the Yellow King. This character brings Rust face to face with his dark existentialism brought to its ultimate conclusions. Rust wrestles with these conclusions ultimately climaxing in a light vs evil battle and Rust's near death experience.

Martin's character ends with a big release. He finally just breaks down and lets go, he has what he wants and he lets the fear of death/mortality lose it's hold on him.

Rust's character is lost at first, remorsing over the sweet release of death being taken from him and not having been able to bring judgement upon all those involved in the murders. But, at the very end, we are given the first shred of light from Rust's character. Marty asks Rust about the stories he's seen in the stars lately. Rust responds with "the oldest story of all, light vs darkness". Marty looks to the stars and remarks that there is a whole lot of darkness. Rust a bit later responds with "You're looking at it wrong, the sky thing" "Once there was only dark, if you ask me, the light is winning.".

Here we are given the conclusion. The wrap up to Rust's existential battle.

This sum up is just at the basic surface and doesn't go into the literary characters used like Cassius notes or the philosophical arguments the characters are based on like Nietzsche. It's the base attraction and message of the show. What these two characters wrestle with in their dialogues, death and ultimate purpose, are the main questions many of us wrestle with today. These two characters bring these questions to their absolute extremes, play out the variables and then end with a parting message -- the light is winning.

Whether you take or leave the message, the characters are very real, the acting performances were amazing and the writing told the story it aimed for in a very captivating way. It was a very well done series.
 
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The Yellow King wasn't ignored. The King in Yellow is a fictional play, in a book of short stories by the same name, that would drive the reader mad by revealing the desperate truths of the universe. Rust was driven crazy by the narrative the murderer(s) created. That's what his breakdown was throughout the series, culminating in his crying in the last few minutes of episode 8. Rust realized, after waking from his coma, that they hadn't caught/killed all of the murderers and never would. He was driven mad by the truth that no matter what, they could never completely overcome evil. The little bit at the end where Rust says there was only darkness in the beginning, and in that case the light seems to be winning, is a sort of redemption. Every little bit of darkness the light overcomes is a victory.

That's a great explanation and all, but I guess I just didn't expect that I would need to be well-versed in obscure 19th century literature in order to fully understand the plot of the show.
 
That's a great explanation and all, but I guess I just didn't expect that I would need to be well-versed in obscure 19th century literature in order to fully understand the plot of the show.

That's the problem a lot of people are having and I can't say I blame you. I'm sure it was frustrating to hear about Carcosa, the black stars, and the Yellow King without any real explanations in the end. On the other hand, that's what I think is so cool about the show. There are enough TV shows and movies that are every bit what they appear to be on the surface and nothing more. I found it very exciting to do some reading alongside the show and understand a bit more each episode because of it.

The King in Yellow is free for Kindle btw. You can get most of what you need from Wikipedia though.