The recipe for a $200K per year job
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Not a fluke.
4 of us are now working.
Only 1 day so far where all of us did not close at least 1 sale.
kimboslice and others doing this--
What price point are you charging? Any flack from business owners or is it an easy sell?
What price point are you charging? Any flack from business owners or is it an easy sell?
kimboslice i have a few questions for you: 1. you mention theres 4 of you working and cold calling everyday, are you targeting one niche or spread among many? I'm guessing many? 2. How you do you keep up with creating the pages if you are making at least one sale everyday? I may be misunderstanding something, but don't you have to create and seo a new page in your directory for each business/sale you make? 3. In terms of SEO, do you pitch to the business a first page ranking or a first spot ranking? And how many keywords does this ranking apply to? Is it just one, ie. "Greenville Chinese Restaurant"
Wow, this is some serious shit. I mean, serious. For all of those that ever struggled with making money online, this is truly one of those mythical, "golden keys". I'm not bullshitting you.
I recently quit my day job as an SEO specialist with Network Solutions (to concentrate on IM), and I can tell you from personal experience, and from the many consultations I did, that there is a massive, almost unbelievable demand for top rankings for local business.
Multiply that by the number of small to mid cities in the US and Canada, then multiply that by the thousands of different types of businesses, and you could honestly have an empire if you did it right. Like many others, I've already got the ball in motion with a small team, and I can't wait until we launch. I'll definitely report my progress here for others to share.
Folks, these are really exciting times, as far as online advertising goes, and I'm here to tell you that small businesses would kill for this type of service. Like the original poster said, he doesn't mind sharing with us, because there is so much fucking business to be had, that it's almost insane.
I hope those who are serious actually take action, because you'd be hard pressed to find easier money anywhere else. Once you're up and running, and have a routine, tens of thousands per month (or more, depending on the size of your team) is pretty easy to be had. Outsource, outsource, outsource, like a bitch! Don't pay an American kid $10 an hour when you could be paying someone overseas 30 cents an hour...I know that sounds kind of shitty, but it's the truth.
Anyway, I'm done for now. Good luck to all!
I recently quit my day job as an SEO specialist with Network Solutions (to concentrate on IM), and I can tell you from personal experience, and from the many consultations I did, that there is a massive, almost unbelievable demand for top rankings for local business.
Multiply that by the number of small to mid cities in the US and Canada, then multiply that by the thousands of different types of businesses, and you could honestly have an empire if you did it right. Like many others, I've already got the ball in motion with a small team, and I can't wait until we launch. I'll definitely report my progress here for others to share.
Folks, these are really exciting times, as far as online advertising goes, and I'm here to tell you that small businesses would kill for this type of service. Like the original poster said, he doesn't mind sharing with us, because there is so much fucking business to be had, that it's almost insane.
I hope those who are serious actually take action, because you'd be hard pressed to find easier money anywhere else. Once you're up and running, and have a routine, tens of thousands per month (or more, depending on the size of your team) is pretty easy to be had. Outsource, outsource, outsource, like a bitch! Don't pay an American kid $10 an hour when you could be paying someone overseas 30 cents an hour...I know that sounds kind of shitty, but it's the truth.
Anyway, I'm done for now. Good luck to all!
Longevity of front page listing on Google..
Guys, great thread. I'm a noob, and this sound like a tremendous business venture. Once you list the business at the top of the 1st page google search result, what keeps it there and how long can it last there? The business owner would be paying for 12 months, so I figure you'd have to keep it there for at least that duration.
Thanks in advance for you responses.
Guys, great thread. I'm a noob, and this sound like a tremendous business venture. Once you list the business at the top of the 1st page google search result, what keeps it there and how long can it last there? The business owner would be paying for 12 months, so I figure you'd have to keep it there for at least that duration.
Thanks in advance for you responses.
NewGuy - while #1 spots would be nice, in reality what you're shooting for is 1st page (so spots 1-10). As long as you can get it decently ranked on the first page, the process of keeping it there wouldn't be hard at all (since it's low competition anyway). Simple, routine stuff would keep you safe.
As far as the 12 months thing - I guess it would depend on what type of payment and pricing you're offering. If you go monthly, then part of the payment would be for a type of "maintenance" fee (meaning they're paying to stay on the 1st page, and you do the work to maintain it). Or collect a one time fee, and tell them that it will be there for at least 6 months, possibly more. I wouldn't guarantee anything over that, because things can change over night with search engines, you know what I mean?
Having said that...I can't say enough how cool this is. Of course, you could probably do it via direct mail, or over the phone, but if you don't mind a little face to face, you'll close deals all day long!
Keep in mind this thing is growing and changing with each day, but this is our current setup. Theres no telling what we'll be doing next week, but hey .. here ya go.
1. Three niches right now. Spreading to more within the next few weeks. My service is a twist on the standard directory and I charge a premium, so a few things need to be put in play before I roll out a new niche.
2. I've identified thousands of area based keywords connected to the various niches already. I have outsourced talent working very cheaply 24 hours a day following my blueprint for getting pages ranked for the keywords. We simply look at what areas pages are on page one and then make targeted phone calls until its sold. If someone is calling in an area that we don't have a ranking page for, I setup a PPC ad and cap the spend limit. When the potential customer does a search "blue valley barbecue restaurant" or whatever.. Guess who has the only ad that pops up in the sponsored results?
3. As I stated eariler, My service is a twist on the standard directory. It's so damn cool that the page one stuff is pure gravy. I sell page one exposure for as many keyword as it takes to get them to buy. Again... if they need more keywords to buy my service and I don't have organic rankings yet, I just pick low competition phrases and setup a PPC campaign. There are ways to drive cheap targeted traffic for uncompetitive keywords.
Kimboslice:
1) Do you have three separate websites for the three individual niches?
2) In your second point you have a blueprint to get ranked on the first page of SERP. Are you doing content or targeting long tail? I guess any thoughts on how to maintain that 1st page presence?
BFMedia: You say to outsource. Care to provide a list of outsource resources you like to use?
Also can we get some people who is doing this to share what kind of technology are they using? That is where I am hung up on. I am torn between:
WordpressMU - Figured it is skinnable, can be narrowed down to a specific niche (i.e. blue valley chinese restaurant), you are able to grant access to the business owner you sold the spot to. So they feel like they got something. There are a ton of widgets out for it as well as being able to customize it to no end.
eDirectory - Whatever is called it was stated above. Checked it out and it looks pretty slick as it has ways to track traffic and the url structure looks SEO friendly. You have a choice of 12 skins and you can import directory info. My personal opinon it looks like all the other thousand's of directories out there. So my fear is a lot of people just click "Back" and go look for another site.
Mirror what these guys are doning Loladex
Or custom code a solution. I think Yelp results appear pretty high in SERP. So solution similar might be a good way to grow content. But this content would be extremely focused on local metro area. Then I believe the key is to get local support.
Really want to do this...must crack whip over my head to jump
1) Do you have three separate websites for the three individual niches?
2) In your second point you have a blueprint to get ranked on the first page of SERP. Are you doing content or targeting long tail? I guess any thoughts on how to maintain that 1st page presence?
BFMedia: You say to outsource. Care to provide a list of outsource resources you like to use?
Also can we get some people who is doing this to share what kind of technology are they using? That is where I am hung up on. I am torn between:
WordpressMU - Figured it is skinnable, can be narrowed down to a specific niche (i.e. blue valley chinese restaurant), you are able to grant access to the business owner you sold the spot to. So they feel like they got something. There are a ton of widgets out for it as well as being able to customize it to no end.
eDirectory - Whatever is called it was stated above. Checked it out and it looks pretty slick as it has ways to track traffic and the url structure looks SEO friendly. You have a choice of 12 skins and you can import directory info. My personal opinon it looks like all the other thousand's of directories out there. So my fear is a lot of people just click "Back" and go look for another site.
Mirror what these guys are doning Loladex
Or custom code a solution. I think Yelp results appear pretty high in SERP. So solution similar might be a good way to grow content. But this content would be extremely focused on local metro area. Then I believe the key is to get local support.
Really want to do this...must crack whip over my head to jump
I am on the verge of getting started and have a few observations/questions/ideas on how to proceed and I am looking for feedback on the topics below.
Topic A:
I am thinking of offering a page per business in my local metro area. There are a few niches I am thinking of. But I am on the fence on wether I should try to stuff all the businesses into my directory or just focus on niches. I am thinking that stuffing my directory with all local businesses. I believe this will stop any other local area competitor from starting up as well as give my directory a sense of authority. Any thoughts?
Topic B:
It seems the most success for closing deals come from face to face contact or via telephone. Either one of them I am fine doing. What I need help on is from the people currently doing this. Do you have pre-printed materials that you drop off or send to the potential businesses?
Topic C:
If a business has more than one location, do you sell or charge them per location to be listed? So for example, Starbucks are everywhere in my metro area. What would you do or how would you work it?
Topic D:
Any thoughts on the technologies listed below. Can anyone share what other technology solutions they are using?
Techonology to use:
-WordpressMU = Good support, Free, tons of widgets, very customizable, each niche can be skinned differently, user and role base security, commenting of a business can be turned on or off, SEO friendly. The structure I was thinking of using is:
*Site
**Blog (Niche or Area of business)
***Post (one post per business and one post listing the top 10 or top 100 businesses for that niche)
I am able to sell access to the post so that the business can update information, sell space to be on the top 10 or top 100 list, sell to be in the best BLANK post, and sell just the presence to have a “Post” in the directory.
Or
*Site (Can be set-up by niche, area of business, or just as an overall metro specific site)
**Blog (Each businesss gets a blog/site and there will be a blog for the top 10, best in BLANK, or top 100)
I am able to sell access to the blog, to be listed in the best BLANK blog, sell the use of different skins, sell the ability to make them custom skin, and sell the use of custom widgets.
The benefit with blog per business approach is that a business hopefully would blog about their business. So that means they are creating content. Bascially they are getting a mini-site. In the restaurant example they can blog about their food specials or new locations.
-eDirectory = Seems to have good support, is re-skinnable, costs about $75, tracks url traffic, suppose to be SEO friendly, customizable but it might cost $$$, quickly import large amounts of data.
-Build you own Yelp.com = cost $$$ and take time.
Topic A:
I am thinking of offering a page per business in my local metro area. There are a few niches I am thinking of. But I am on the fence on wether I should try to stuff all the businesses into my directory or just focus on niches. I am thinking that stuffing my directory with all local businesses. I believe this will stop any other local area competitor from starting up as well as give my directory a sense of authority. Any thoughts?
Topic B:
It seems the most success for closing deals come from face to face contact or via telephone. Either one of them I am fine doing. What I need help on is from the people currently doing this. Do you have pre-printed materials that you drop off or send to the potential businesses?
Topic C:
If a business has more than one location, do you sell or charge them per location to be listed? So for example, Starbucks are everywhere in my metro area. What would you do or how would you work it?
Topic D:
Any thoughts on the technologies listed below. Can anyone share what other technology solutions they are using?
Techonology to use:
-WordpressMU = Good support, Free, tons of widgets, very customizable, each niche can be skinned differently, user and role base security, commenting of a business can be turned on or off, SEO friendly. The structure I was thinking of using is:
*Site
**Blog (Niche or Area of business)
***Post (one post per business and one post listing the top 10 or top 100 businesses for that niche)
I am able to sell access to the post so that the business can update information, sell space to be on the top 10 or top 100 list, sell to be in the best BLANK post, and sell just the presence to have a “Post” in the directory.
Or
*Site (Can be set-up by niche, area of business, or just as an overall metro specific site)
**Blog (Each businesss gets a blog/site and there will be a blog for the top 10, best in BLANK, or top 100)
I am able to sell access to the blog, to be listed in the best BLANK blog, sell the use of different skins, sell the ability to make them custom skin, and sell the use of custom widgets.
The benefit with blog per business approach is that a business hopefully would blog about their business. So that means they are creating content. Bascially they are getting a mini-site. In the restaurant example they can blog about their food specials or new locations.
-eDirectory = Seems to have good support, is re-skinnable, costs about $75, tracks url traffic, suppose to be SEO friendly, customizable but it might cost $$$, quickly import large amounts of data.
-Build you own Yelp.com = cost $$$ and take time.
I am on the verge of getting started and have a few observations/questions/ideas on how to proceed and I am looking for feedback on the topics below.
Topic A:
I am thinking of offering a page per business in my local metro area. There are a few niches I am thinking of. But I am on the fence on wether I should try to stuff all the businesses into my directory or just focus on niches. I am thinking that stuffing my directory with all local businesses. I believe this will stop any other local area competitor from starting up as well as give my directory a sense of authority. Any thoughts?
Topic B:
It seems the most success for closing deals come from face to face contact or via telephone. Either one of them I am fine doing. What I need help on is from the people currently doing this. Do you have pre-printed materials that you drop off or send to the potential businesses?
Topic C:
If a business has more than one location, do you sell or charge them per location to be listed? So for example, Starbucks are everywhere in my metro area. What would you do or how would you work it?
Topic D:
Any thoughts on the technologies listed below. Can anyone share what other technology solutions they are using?
Techonology to use:
-WordpressMU = Good support, Free, tons of widgets, very customizable, each niche can be skinned differently, user and role base security, commenting of a business can be turned on or off, SEO friendly. The structure I was thinking of using is:
*Site
**Blog (Niche or Area of business)
***Post (one post per business and one post listing the top 10 or top 100 businesses for that niche)
I am able to sell access to the post so that the business can update information, sell space to be on the top 10 or top 100 list, sell to be in the best BLANK post, and sell just the presence to have a “Post” in the directory.
Or
*Site (Can be set-up by niche, area of business, or just as an overall metro specific site)
**Blog (Each businesss gets a blog/site and there will be a blog for the top 10, best in BLANK, or top 100)
I am able to sell access to the blog, to be listed in the best BLANK blog, sell the use of different skins, sell the ability to make them custom skin, and sell the use of custom widgets.
The benefit with blog per business approach is that a business hopefully would blog about their business. So that means they are creating content. Bascially they are getting a mini-site. In the restaurant example they can blog about their food specials or new locations.
-eDirectory = Seems to have good support, is re-skinnable, costs about $75, tracks url traffic, suppose to be SEO friendly, customizable but it might cost $$$, quickly import large amounts of data.
-Build you own Yelp.com = cost $$$ and take time.
Topic A:
I am thinking of offering a page per business in my local metro area. There are a few niches I am thinking of. But I am on the fence on wether I should try to stuff all the businesses into my directory or just focus on niches. I am thinking that stuffing my directory with all local businesses. I believe this will stop any other local area competitor from starting up as well as give my directory a sense of authority. Any thoughts?
Topic B:
It seems the most success for closing deals come from face to face contact or via telephone. Either one of them I am fine doing. What I need help on is from the people currently doing this. Do you have pre-printed materials that you drop off or send to the potential businesses?
Topic C:
If a business has more than one location, do you sell or charge them per location to be listed? So for example, Starbucks are everywhere in my metro area. What would you do or how would you work it?
Topic D:
Any thoughts on the technologies listed below. Can anyone share what other technology solutions they are using?
Techonology to use:
-WordpressMU = Good support, Free, tons of widgets, very customizable, each niche can be skinned differently, user and role base security, commenting of a business can be turned on or off, SEO friendly. The structure I was thinking of using is:
*Site
**Blog (Niche or Area of business)
***Post (one post per business and one post listing the top 10 or top 100 businesses for that niche)
I am able to sell access to the post so that the business can update information, sell space to be on the top 10 or top 100 list, sell to be in the best BLANK post, and sell just the presence to have a “Post” in the directory.
Or
*Site (Can be set-up by niche, area of business, or just as an overall metro specific site)
**Blog (Each businesss gets a blog/site and there will be a blog for the top 10, best in BLANK, or top 100)
I am able to sell access to the blog, to be listed in the best BLANK blog, sell the use of different skins, sell the ability to make them custom skin, and sell the use of custom widgets.
The benefit with blog per business approach is that a business hopefully would blog about their business. So that means they are creating content. Bascially they are getting a mini-site. In the restaurant example they can blog about their food specials or new locations.
-eDirectory = Seems to have good support, is re-skinnable, costs about $75, tracks url traffic, suppose to be SEO friendly, customizable but it might cost $$$, quickly import large amounts of data.
-Build you own Yelp.com = cost $$$ and take time.
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I'm thinking of hiring a salesman and paying commission to sell these pages for me... anyone doing this wanna tell me how its working for them?
I was thinking of offering 15-20% plus 50% of whatever they bring in over my asking price (around 900)... thoughts?
right now I'm working on wrapping up my first website to sell and I plan on selling it myself.
I was thinking of offering 15-20% plus 50% of whatever they bring in over my asking price (around 900)... thoughts?
right now I'm working on wrapping up my first website to sell and I plan on selling it myself.
1. Right now it's one directory. It's a hacked up version of WP tweaked specifically for my service. I'm pretty certain I'm gonna expand to multilpe directory sites in the future.
2. Mostly targeting long tail keywords. As far as staying on page one, If I have to run cheap ppc campaigns on low bid keywords for the page one presence, so be it. it's already built into the pricing anyway...
Just pick a setup and go. There is no perfect way to do this. Set something up and start selling. if you gotta change on the fly, then do it. People are begging to give you money to get on the interwebs.
Thanks
You know what I love about this thread?
A complete internet marketing idiot could make it work and make serious money doing it.
I've been tooling around with affiliate marketing for a few months, made a little bit of money with it, but it's very hard work. There's a big learning curve and you're competing against hundreds of real, real smart AMs who have been doing it much longer than you have. Doesn't mean you can't succeed, it's just a lot tougher.
What's great about this idea is there is noooooo competition. I don't have to compete against super smart guys. Seriously, with a little effort, how hard would it be to figure out a system to get a page into top 10 of Google quickly, when there are only 10K competition pages and they all have PR 1 with 2 backlinks? And how motivated would you be if you knew that getting the solution to that problem would get you a 6 figure income?
When there are ideas like this out here, I seriously can't comprehend why people would spend months trying to break into things like black hat or ringtones. Whatever floats your boat I guess. But personally, I'll ramp this up, get a 6 figure income in place and then learn how to prosper in more fun but much more competitive areas.
You know what I love about this thread?
A complete internet marketing idiot could make it work and make serious money doing it.
I've been tooling around with affiliate marketing for a few months, made a little bit of money with it, but it's very hard work. There's a big learning curve and you're competing against hundreds of real, real smart AMs who have been doing it much longer than you have. Doesn't mean you can't succeed, it's just a lot tougher.
What's great about this idea is there is noooooo competition. I don't have to compete against super smart guys. Seriously, with a little effort, how hard would it be to figure out a system to get a page into top 10 of Google quickly, when there are only 10K competition pages and they all have PR 1 with 2 backlinks? And how motivated would you be if you knew that getting the solution to that problem would get you a 6 figure income?
When there are ideas like this out here, I seriously can't comprehend why people would spend months trying to break into things like black hat or ringtones. Whatever floats your boat I guess. But personally, I'll ramp this up, get a 6 figure income in place and then learn how to prosper in more fun but much more competitive areas.
Here is a easy way to do this large scale and fast:
Black Hat Digest : 30 Days to a Kick Ass Foundation <--- see 'day 4' .
Takes about 5 minutes to install, and set up.
Black Hat Digest : 30 Days to a Kick Ass Foundation <--- see 'day 4' .
Takes about 5 minutes to install, and set up.
you can beat the local google map index
for those of you that were wondering you can rank on top of yellowpage or local directories ~ put this in google (US)
mehlville divorce attorney
I did it without brackets and there were 3 that were above the google directory map.
I loved reading this thread :bowdown:
for those of you that were wondering you can rank on top of yellowpage or local directories ~ put this in google (US)
mehlville divorce attorney
I did it without brackets and there were 3 that were above the google directory map.
I loved reading this thread :bowdown:
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