Yeah I saw it...it shows lorries with supplies and writing (non-english language) I don't understand. so?
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Yeah I saw it...it shows lorries with supplies and writing (non-english language) I don't understand. so?
TheRealNews.com - owned by Paul Jay, flaming liberal.
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Fuck, what a tremendous waste of time, pull the US funding and let the bombs fall where they may.
Groups of people tend not to get along with other groups who don't share the same values, this is human nature. You can't force world unity on anyone.
I never really understood why Israelis wanted to be surrounded by 6 billion angry arabs anyways. Holy Land Smoly Smland ... God is in your heart, not your country.
Groups of people tend not to get along with other groups who don't share the same values, this is human nature. You can't force world unity on anyone.
I never really understood why Israelis wanted to be surrounded by 6 billion angry arabs anyways. Holy Land Smoly Smland ... God is in your heart, not your country.
Yeah, it's a fucking Hollywood production. You people are a waste of breath. I'm outta here.
RGordon, unfortunately, the people in Gaza can't leave, and Israel will not let humanitarian aid (or reporters) in, which means it's like shooting fish in a barrel, with advanced weaponry.
Scroll down past the human carnage to see the Hamas missles.
The Other Side of the Story! - Palestinian Mothers
Then contrast that with an F-16 doing a bombing run. Then understand that Israelis can move freely, Palestinians are trapped with nowhere to run.
What Hamas is doing is wrong, but it doesn't make mass murder of civilians ok. Nothing should ever make mass murder of civilians ok, under any circumstances.
Scroll down past the human carnage to see the Hamas missles.
The Other Side of the Story! - Palestinian Mothers
Then contrast that with an F-16 doing a bombing run. Then understand that Israelis can move freely, Palestinians are trapped with nowhere to run.
What Hamas is doing is wrong, but it doesn't make mass murder of civilians ok. Nothing should ever make mass murder of civilians ok, under any circumstances.
Again, another false comment from braindead people who just watch CNN all day.
Israel itself has alread supplied over 100 truckloads of medical and food supplies to Gaza. They only blocked supplies from outside countries, and with good reason. With Hamas using their own water basins as hiding spots for weapons, why should Israel trus outsiders sending in stuff?
Don't just make blanket statements like "No water, No medical...." unless you do some research first..
Are you stupid? Do I need to post this a third time?
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eAfbLZgnIpI&feature=channel_page"]ISRAEL DELIVERING HUMANITARIAN AID TO GAZA[/ame]
ISRAEL DELIVERING HUMANITARIAN AID TO GAZA
Mass murder? Are you mentally disabled? Do you feel bad lying or making your hysterical accusations?
Guerilla also posted a second link. It was to a site called the Raw Story. He knew it was about to get exposed, so he edited his post and removed it.
TheRawStory is yet another ultra-liberal website. Surprise, surprise.
I'm sure those 59 kids were true members of Hamas.
Save the Children Delivers Food to Families in Gaza Despite Violence
Perhaps you're unfamiliar with Hamas' methods, dickwad, but they WANT civilians to get killed. Shit like that works on gullible people like you. And I assume you're referencing this paragraph:
"...Since the fighting began, 59 children have been killed, according to Gaza health officials and major news media..."
Gaza health officials? The only officials that rule Gaza are Hamas. Do you ever wonder where you get your information from?
I'm sure they do. It will probably increase their support.
Those numbers are not unreasonable if you take a look at all the other confirmed incidents. This is not a war against hamas.. it's a war against the idea of a free palestine and of course.. because there is an election in february.
A bunch of uselss responses...
1. Saying that hamas weapons suck as a rationalization on why it's ok for them to fire them is the worst argument ever. The reason not that many people get hurt is because EVERY house in israel has a bomb shelter inside. They also have advanced alarm system that give residents 20 seconds to find shelter when a rocket is fired. Why doesn't hamas use the millions of dollars that Iran gives it to provide for Gaza instead of making weapons? Do you think there would be any shortage of food and supplies then? Doubt it.
Basically your argument is for Israel to wait until Hamas has more advanced weapons, and THEN attack? Hamas just uses Cease Fires to re-arm and regroup. Why do you think they have rockets that are more dangerous than they did before the cease fire.
And what about suicide bomberS? Are those not deadly enough for you?
2. watch again and get your head out of your ass. And watch the FULL interview that aired, those were just excerpts...
3. Civilians are not being isolated as sole targets of airstrikes. They may die as collateral damage, but thats what happens when their next store neightbor uses their alley to launch rockets and they don't care.
4. Sorry, but other wars are waged on a battlefield. Or if hamas is so confident, why don't they invade israel? The answer is b/c they will be obliterated and won't have any more propoganda of their civilians getting killed. Please tell me one other war where the atacker atacks from within it's own densly populated area and then complains when being attacked back? Doesn't happen outside of the Arab world.
5. I already answered this before. I have freidns IN the israeli army who have expereinced this first hand, and have even participated in these types of raids. They get the intelligence from palastinians looking to make a buck or that are loyal to other groups, or from their own undercover ops. There is a reason israel has one of the most powerful militaries in the world. They have solid intelligence.
Again, i am still looking for you to place at least some blame on Hamas. Just look at the world. How many jews around the world Kill people when people publish mocking cartoons about them in newspapers? How many plan attacks on Arab embacies? How many kill Jews in rival groups? How many send death threats to Arab schools (The schools in Chicago which my brothers and sister in law go to just got threats to attack them if Israel doesn't pull out of Gaza, As did my daughter's Daycare, which has kids ages 1-5.) All that shit is just plain crazy. Normal, sane people don't do any of that. Hamas does it all. And they do it in the name of their god. Yet you see no wrongding in any of Hamas's actions. It's time to wake up and face the reality that Hamas is a group of islamic extremists that want to Kill israelis and Jews anyware in the world at all costs. I've expereinced it first hand (Aside from my daughters daycare getting threats, i have a friend who was shot by a Hamas terrorist in an Israeli shopping mall in 2001. She barely lived and has had 15 surgeries. She was not even Israeli, just an american tourist). Look at what happened this week, a Palestinian shot 2 israelis in a mall in (i think) Belgium. Israels around the world don't attack Arabs b/c they have no problem with them.
Sure, i feel bad for Palestinians caught in the crossfire. But i also know that many of these Palestinians elected Hamas and share the same ideologies. I don't hate Arabs or Palestinians or any other nation/religion. I just hate people that want to harm me and my family just because i was born a religion that their religion commands them to kill. I'm sure many people in Israel feel the same way.
If Israel really wants to win in the long run they need to have a strategy to fight Hamas propoganda. Tjhey need to reach out to Palestinians and do positive things for them.
The problem is that none of that is possible with Hamas in power, or even existing. Because they want nothing to do with peace. Israel left gaza, and even forcefully uprooted it's own jewish settlers living there. What did they get in return? Rocket fire. No steps towards peace. Israel needs to stop bending over backwards for a group that will try to kill them no matter what consessions they make and fight back.
No, many of those 59 kids ( a number provided by Hamas) were the children of Hamas members who knew they were getting attacked and refused to evacuate their families anyways so they could be Martyrs along with them, and then use it as propoganda for sheep like you to boot...
Oh, and one more thing, to everyone who says that israel is causing a "humanitarian crisis" in gaza, There was a crisis there LONG before israel launched the air strike.
Since hamas uses most of it's funds for weapons and propoganda, it leaves very little for the palestinians in Gaza. if the uneployment rate is about 50%, why isn't hamas using the millions in charity it gets to help rebuild gaza, instead of to destroy israel.
Same problem with the PA when arafat was in charge. They robbed their own people blind and took all the money out of Gaza and the West bank.
And if all the other Arab leads around the world care so much, why don't they use some of their BILLIONS in oil money to make some real changes?
The answer is the Arabs around the world NEED the palestinians to keep suffering so they can keep pointing their fingers at Israel...
Since hamas uses most of it's funds for weapons and propoganda, it leaves very little for the palestinians in Gaza. if the uneployment rate is about 50%, why isn't hamas using the millions in charity it gets to help rebuild gaza, instead of to destroy israel.
Same problem with the PA when arafat was in charge. They robbed their own people blind and took all the money out of Gaza and the West bank.
And if all the other Arab leads around the world care so much, why don't they use some of their BILLIONS in oil money to make some real changes?
The answer is the Arabs around the world NEED the palestinians to keep suffering so they can keep pointing their fingers at Israel...
HarveyJ
He is - THE CACTUS!
After the Second World War, a number of places controlled by the British Empire were actively offered, the land that is modern day Israel (and a little bit more, in fact) was one of those parts.
So if you're going to simplistically blame anyone, blame the Brits.
Other places offered included Tasmania.
Strategically speaking, that would have made all kinds of sense.
Not only is it larger than Israel, it's got a hell of a lot more going for it in terms of natural resources, and is shielded from attack by reefs to the East & West, some of the worst weather in the world to the South, and a whole continent to the North... Pretty. Damn. Safe.
But yeah, I agree with Hellblazer on this one.
As fucked as the Israeli government is (and let's be honest, it turns a blind eye to some shit equally as horrendous as what Palestinians do), considering how much MORE land they could have if they didn't want to play as nice as they do, they deserve it by right of conquest at the very least.
I disagree on the media part though. CNN's fairly centrist, but politics in the US have gone so far to the right that a central view tends to appear leftist.
harvey, technically, Israel has no right in middle east. the whole state of Israel is illegal. now if you think because Jews lived there over 2000 years ago so it belongs to them, let's give Texas back to Mexico and then we can talk. atleast that happened less than 160 years ago. I will be against Israel's policy and government as long as someone explain me why are we giving $10,000,000,000 dollars of our hard earned money to Israeilis every fucking year. don't we need that shit more than those assholes?
Exactly. War has been the same for thousands of years. Land that Americans own today was gained through war by destroying others, who gained it through war by destroying others and so on. Israel pwned Egypt and got the entire Sinai Peninsula. And then THEY FUCKING GAVE IT BACK. Who does that?
No man has a claim to earth. We've always killed for it. And yet we hear people talking about bloodlines, races and ethnicities having 'rights' to the land? Bullshit. Your right to the land is by the sword, not by your bloodline.
If Hamas was smart, they would work on building their society up, cultivating the land, making schools, making peace overtures, educating their people, lifting them out of poverty.
Instead they raise them up to do only one thing - hate Jews. So all their time is spent fighting guerilla warfare - it's almost pathetic. Don't start a war you can't win. They think they can win the propaganda war by sacrificing their children - it's saddening. 50 years ago, their tactics would be IMPOSSIBLE. But because of satellite television, and the internet, and cell phone cameras, they are fighting a propaganda war.
Take AM as an example. Everyday, you're trying to murder the competition and be number one. When somebody steals your landing page, do you bitch and moan that it's 'not fair'? Do you complain? No. Competition is competition. War is war. Only the fittest survive. When somebody steals your method or saturates your niche, or steals your keywords or sabotages your organic SEO rankings, do you bitch that it's a 'disproportionate' response? Or do you say, fuck it I'm gonna murder this bastard.
War is war. If you can't stomach it, it's probably because you live in one of the most prosperous times history has ever known. This generation has never lived through a world war like my grandparents did. We've never had to fear for our lives. The last fifty years are anomalous in the greater spectre of world history. We should be thankful. And yet it seems its turned a lot of people into squeamish pussies. Our pampered lives have insulated us from harsh realities.
Don't start a war if you can't win it. Otherwise, you'll get your ass kicked. It's a lesson the Arabs never seem to learn.
I thought this thread already contained the maximum possible amount of retarded wacko commentary until this.
Israel hasn't gone after the entire middle east because they're surrounded by regions that hate them (not to mention there are a lot of Christians and Muslims living inside Israel that might go against it if they try such a thing). Their army is advanced but they don't have the manpower to take on the entire middle east. That's silly. Best they can do is pick off over time.
Also, a HUGE problem that will probably kill Israel in the future is the fact that their economy depends on cheap Arab labor (like we depend on Mexicans).
Wealthy Israelis leave the country, because they can. The only people left behind are either 1) extremists, or 2) just can't afford to leave.
What's the solution? Peace will never happen. Both sides hate each other to the core. Best thing to do IMHO is get everyone to leave and just bomb all the holy areas for Islam/Judaism/Christianity in the region. Just get rid of it.
I'm watching live feeds from Gaza and I'm seeing bombs exploding everywhere, and they're showing footage of hospitals full of burned bodies, women and children, etc... Collateral damage or not, I'm sorry but fighting over land that a crazy guy named Jesus was born on is silly.
Also, a HUGE problem that will probably kill Israel in the future is the fact that their economy depends on cheap Arab labor (like we depend on Mexicans).
Wealthy Israelis leave the country, because they can. The only people left behind are either 1) extremists, or 2) just can't afford to leave.
What's the solution? Peace will never happen. Both sides hate each other to the core. Best thing to do IMHO is get everyone to leave and just bomb all the holy areas for Islam/Judaism/Christianity in the region. Just get rid of it.
I'm watching live feeds from Gaza and I'm seeing bombs exploding everywhere, and they're showing footage of hospitals full of burned bodies, women and children, etc... Collateral damage or not, I'm sorry but fighting over land that a crazy guy named Jesus was born on is silly.
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