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My grandad is older than isreal.

Isreal should not exist.

How about we just randomly take a state from the US and give it to a few jews call it a shit name...would you be happy?

You fight for shit, you earn it. That's the way shit has worked for the past thousands of years. The Arabs keep getting their asses kicked by Israel(and losing land in the process) and they keep coming back for more.

Their 'refugee/civilian' crocodile tears are simply a propaganda aspect of the war. They fight like bitches if you ask me. If I was running Israel, not a single Hamas member would still be breathing. How's that grab ya? Violence is the way of the world, and it'll always be. Stop being a pussy. If you can't win a war, sure as fuck don't start one. If you want to hysterically cry over dead 'civilians', why don't you write a pretty letter to Hamas and tell them they shouldn't have broken the truce and been firing rockets into Israel?
 


Saw a fox news link and chose not to click on it.

Google needs to make a fox news translator. Everything they say it translates it into the exact opposite, so up = down, good = bad, terrorist = nonrepublican, so you get the real news.

Ah yes, the usual canard/talking point about Fox. Hmm, now who would nickycakes/eli/insert_liberal_of_choice consider an honest reporting outlet?

CNN? NBC? CBS? ABC? NYT? LAT? Ahh yes, those would be truly unbiased, objective media outlets. I love how liberals realities are so shattered by one dissenting viewpoint that they have to robotically demonize it like a religious ritual. We hear the pathetic liberal talking point about how FOX is biased. So predictable and funny...Stick to AM, guys. I get the funny feeling that's your strong suit.
 
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Lie #1) Israel is only targeting legitimate military sites and is seeking to protect innocent lives. Israel never targets civilians.
The Gaza Strip is one of the most densely populated pieces of property in the world. The presence of militants within a civilian population does not, under international law, deprive that population of their protected status, and hence any assault upon that population under the guise of targeting militants is, in fact, a war crime.


Moreover, the people Israel claims are legitimate targets are members of Hamas, which Israel says is a terrorist organization. Hamas has been responsible for firing rockets into Israel. These rockets are extremely inaccurate and thus, even if Hamas intended to hit military targets within Israel, are indiscriminate by nature. When rockets from Gaza kill Israeli civilians, it is a war crime.

Hamas has a military wing. However, it is not entirely a military organization, but a political one. Members of Hamas are the democratically elected representatives of the Palestinian people. Dozens of these elected leaders have been kidnapped and held in Israeli prisons without charge. Others have been targeted for assassination, such as Nizar Rayan, a top Hamas official. To kill Rayan, Israel targeted a residential apartment building. The strike not only killed Rayan but two of his wives and four of his children, along with six others. There is no justification for such an attack under international law. This was a war crime.


Other of Israel’s bombardment with protected status under international law have included a mosque, a prison, police stations, and a university, in addition to residential buildings.


Moreover, Israel has long held Gaza under siege, allowing only the most minimal amounts of humanitarian supplies to enter. Israel is bombing and killing Palestinian civilians. Countless more have been wounded, and cannot receive medical attention. Hospitals running on generators have little or no fuel. Doctors have no proper equipment or medical supplies to treat the injured. These people, too, are the victims of Israeli policies targeted not at Hamas or legitimate military targets, but directly designed to punish the civilian population.

Lie #2) Hamas violated the cease-fire. The Israeli bombardment is a response to Palestinian rocket fire and is designed to end such rocket attacks.



Israel never observed the cease-fire to begin with. From the beginning, it announced a “special security zone” within the Gaza Strip and announced that Palestinians who enter this zone will be fired upon. In other words, Israel announced its intention that Israeli soldiers would shoot at farmers and other individuals attempting to reach their own land in direct violation of not only the cease-fire but international law.


Despite shooting incidents, including ones resulting in Palestinians getting injured, Hamas still held to the cease-fire from the time it went into effect on June 19 until Israel effectively ended the truce on November 4 by launching an airstrike into Gaza that killed five and injured several others.
Israel’s violation of the cease-fire predictably resulted in retaliation from militants in Gaza who fired rockets into Israel in response. The increased barrage of rocket fire at the end of December is being used as justification for the continued Israeli bombardment, but is a direct response by militants to the Israeli attacks.


Israel’s actions, including its violation of the cease-fire, predictably resulted in an escalation of rocket attacks against its own population.

Lie #3) Hamas is using human shields, a war crime.
There has been no evidence that Hamas has used human shields. The fact is, as previously noted, Gaza is a small piece of property that is densely populated. Israel engages in indiscriminate warfare such as the assassination of Nizar Rayan, in which members of his family were also murdered. It is victims like his dead children that Israel defines as “human shields” in its propaganda. There is no legitimacy for this interpretation under international law. In circumstances such as these, Hamas is not using human shields, Israel is committing war crimes in violation of the Geneva Conventions and other applicable international law.

Lie #4) Arab nations have not condemned Israel’s actions because they understand Israel’s justification for its assault.
The populations of those Arab countries are outraged at Israel’s actions and at their own governments for not condemning Israel’s assault and acting to end the violence. Simply stated, the Arab governments do not represent their respective Arab populations. The populations of the Arab nations have staged mass protests in opposition to not only Israel’s actions but also the inaction of their own governments and what they view as either complacency or complicity in Israel’s crimes.
Moreover, the refusal of Arab nations to take action to come to the aid of the Palestinians is not because they agree with Israel’s actions, but because they are submissive to the will of the US, which fully supports Israel. Egypt, for instance, which refused to open the border to allow Palestinians wounded in the attacks to get medical treatment in Egyptian hospitals, is heavily dependent upon US aid, and is being widely criticized within the population of the Arab countries for what is viewed as an absolute betrayal of the Gaza Palestinians.


Even Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas has been regarded as a traitor to his own people for blaming Hamas for the suffering of the people of Gaza. Palestinians are also well aware of Abbas’ past perceived betrayals in conniving with Israel and the US to sideline the democratically elected Hamas government, culminating in a counter-coup by Hamas in which it expelled Fatah (the military wing of Abbas’ Palestine Authority) from the Gaza Strip. While his apparent goal was to weaken Hamas and strengthen his own position, the Palestinians and other Arabs in the Middle East are so outraged at Abbas that it is unlikely he will be able to govern effectively.

Lie #5) Israel is not responsible for civilian deaths because it warned the Palestinians of Gaza to flee areas that might be targeted.
Israel claims it sent radio and telephone text messages to residents of Gaza warning them to flee from the coming bombardment. But the people of Gaza have nowhere to flee to. They are trapped within the Gaza Strip. It is by Israeli design that they cannot escape across the border. It is by Israeli design that they have no food, water, or fuel by which to survive. It is by Israeli design that hospitals in Gaza have no electricity and few medical supplies with which to treat the injured and save lives. And Israel has bombed vast areas of Gaza, targeting civilian infrastructure and other sites with protected status under international law. No place is safe within the Gaza Strip.


From Alex Jones' Infowars.com: Because there is a war on for your mind!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KUfg....infowars.com/?p=6956&feature=player_embedded
 
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Lie #5) Israel is not responsible for civilian deaths because it warned the Palestinians of Gaza to flee areas that might be targeted.
Israel claims it sent radio and telephone text messages to residents of Gaza warning them to flee from the coming bombardment. But the people of Gaza have nowhere to flee to. They are trapped within the Gaza Strip. It is by Israeli design that they cannot escape across the border. It is by Israeli design that they have no food, water, or fuel by which to survive. It is by Israeli design that hospitals in Gaza have no electricity and few medical supplies with which to treat the injured and save lives. And Israel has bombed vast areas of Gaza, targeting civilian infrastructure and other sites with protected status under international law. No place is safe within the Gaza Strip.


From Alex Jones' Infowars.com: Because there is a war on for your mind!

This is embarassing. Infowars? Really? Why don't we cut out the middleman and just contact Hamas' propaganda department directly? Could you find anybody who's more of a shill, much less an outright lunatic? Good God, man. Sites 'protected' under international law? That's where they're hiding their weapons, you utter dipshit. You'll just believe anything they feed you, won't you?
 
There has got to be a way to make money off of these israel/palistine threads.
 
This is embarassing. Infowars? Really? Why don't we cut out the middleman and just contact Hamas' propaganda department directly? Could you find anybody who's more of a shill, much less an outright lunatic? Good God, man. Sites 'protected' under international law? That's where they're hiding their weapons, you utter dipshit. You'll just believe anything they feed you, won't you?

Keep sleeping you sheep, the flouride has dumbed you down. Your IQ is pretty low.
 
Keep sleeping you sheep, the flouride has dumbed you down. Your IQ is pretty low.

I see we've got a true believer here. This turd nugget will keep believing Israel's the aggressor even while Hamas is loading Iranian nukes on their rockets. Go back to Infowars and get your daily dose of propaganda. Yum Yum.
 
I see we've got a true believer here. This turd nugget will keep believing Israel's the aggressor even while Hamas is loading Iranian nukes on their rockets. Go back to Infowars and get your daily dose of propaganda. Yum Yum.

Ok, so tell me, where do you get your news and "inside information" (seeing that you are saying the weapons are in the protected sites).

This turd nugget will keep believing Israel's the aggressor even while Hamas is loading Iranian nukes on their rockets..

You really seem brainwashed. Hey, we should invade Iran!
 
You really seem brainwashed. Hey, we should invade Iran!

Tell me this, you retard - what would Israel gain from bombing a harmless, innocent, benign mosque? Considering Israel has kicked everyone's ass in war, and they're supposedly this warmongering, brutal nation, WHAT'S STOPPING THEM? What's holding them back? Why don't they just go in there and kill 'em all? They're already committing war crimes, right? So why haven't they killed them all?

Instead of just dropping a nuke on Gaza, why are they destroying completely 'harmless' mosques, which incidentally happen to be run by Hamas?

Israel also bombed a mosque it said was used to store weapons. The mosque was known as a Hamas stronghold and was identified with Nizar Rayan, the Hamas militant leader killed Thursday when Israel dropped a one-ton bomb on his home

THE MOSQUE WAS KNOWN AS A HAMAS STRONGHOLD - That's the AP, bitch. A media outlet I absolutely detest, and even they can't cover up that damning morsel.

I do understand slightly though - I've seen the British media, and it's even worse than here. I wouldn't be surprised if all your countrymen are as misinformed as you.
 
Tell me this, you retard - what would Israel gain from bombing a harmless, innocent, benign mosque? Considering Israel has kicked everyone's ass in war, and they're supposedly this warmongering, brutal nation, WHAT'S STOPPING THEM? What's holding them back? Why don't they just go in there and kill 'em all? They're already committing war crimes, right? So why haven't they killed them all?

Instead of just dropping a nuke on Gaza, why are they destroying completely 'harmless' mosques, which incidentally happen to be run by Hamas?



THE MOSQUE WAS KNOWN AS A HAMAS STRONGHOLD - That's the AP, bitch. A media outlet I absolutely detest, and even they can't cover up that damning morsel.

I do understand slightly though - I've seen the British media, and it's even worse than here. I wouldn't be surprised if all your countrymen are as misinformed as you.

man you're funny. yahoo news...you're a joke.

Also dropping a nuke on Gaza? Are you pretending to be a retard or a real one? That action cannot be defended even with the propaganda machine.
 
man your funny. yahoo news...you're a joke.

Forget the AP. Answer the question, bitch.

If Israel is this brutal, warmongering, human-rights violating, tyrannical apartheid state, why haven't they utterly and completely destroyed Gaza?

*crickets*
 
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Lie #1) Israel is only targeting legitimate military sites and is seeking to protect innocent lives. Israel never targets civilians.
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More lies and propaganda in that post thn i have an interest to comment on. But a few points....

1. It's only a war crime to deliberately target civilians, which is what Hamas is doing about 40-80 times a day with rockets. If israel wanted to kill civilians, would they call houses before they bomb them to tell epople to evacuate? Probelm is, when Israel calls, the residents then call hamas and Hamas brings MORE civilians to the scene to deter Israel from bombing (shows how much they care for their own people).

The IDF even releases videos of EVERY air strike just to show how precise and targeted they are.

Also, mosques, universities etc, are NOT protected when being used to storm illeagle arms and launch attacks. And if you think they're not being used for this, you can watch the videos when they're bombed. You'll see one big explosian when the IAF bomb strikes, then about 10-20 seconds later you'll see a streak of massive explosions from inside, which are the stored munitions blowing up.

2. Hamas only became a political party in 2006, but it was all military befroe then. Just because terrorists get elected to politics doesnt mean they are not terrorists. If their fundamental purpouse is to destroy israel, that makes them ALL militant. If you bothered to watch the original videos posted, you will see the son of the founding member admiting to this. I'm sure he knows more about hamas than you do.

3. If you know the details of the original cease fire, you would see that Israel resereved the right to fire on militants posing an imediate danger as well as impose security restrictions on places where militants were firing rockets, even if it was within Gaza, thus israel did not violate any part of the cease fire, regardless of the propoganda Hamas feeds you...

4. When you fire on other people and then hide within your own population, knowing the "enemy" will fire back on you, that's using a human sheild. period.

5. RE: Lie #5, Israel calls the homes of people before an airstrike (unless they are Hamas of course). The resident doesn't need to flee Gaza, but they should get their ass outside of the house ASAP and maybe not use their houses to store weapons next time.

I know, you'r predictable, so you're gonna say it's not true. But i can assume you it is. I have friends who have been in the Israeli military and i hear first hand accounts of raids on militant houses. You would not believe the restrictions they have on being able to fire a weapon. And they go into these houses where they know there are weapons and they find them hidden in huge water basins where the residents have been collecting water for months. Of course the Army has to dump the basin to get to the weapons, but then Hamas uses that as propoganda that the Israelis are getting rid of their last rations of water. Natuarally, if they didn't hide their freaking weapons in their water basins they would not have to worry. But then they would not have that juicy bit of propoganda either. And they would rather go thirsty and blame israel then get rid of their weapons...

It's amazing from your post how much you sympathize with hamas and are not willing to put ANY blame on them. Their SOLE purpose is to destroy israel. It's not to create any type of peace, it's not to better the lives of palestinians, it's not to create any type of calm. It's to kill Israelis/Jews by any means available. I mean, these people shot 75 other palestinians (Fatah) just because they thought there was a chance they could help israel. If that's not insanse, i don't know what is...
 
Forget the AP. Answer the question, bitch.

If Israel is this brutal, warmongering, human-rights violating, tyrannical apartheid state, why haven't they utterly and completely destroyed Gaza?

*crickets*

Like I said, completely destroying Gaza (like using a nuke in your example) is an action hard to defend you stupid fucker.
 
Forget the AP. Answer the question, bitch.

If Israel is this brutal, warmongering, human-rights violating, tyrannical apartheid state, why haven't they utterly and completely destroyed Gaza?

*crickets*
you must be the biggest dumbass if you think they haven't. they bomb the shit out of it, they cut all the humanitarian aids to it, there is no food, no drugs, no clean water, no electricity, no fuel and none of it is allowed to get in there.. what the FUCK are you talking about???
american media is fucked up and one sided toward Israeil. everybody knows that. well, atleast anything related to ruppert murdoch dickhead is.
 
More lies and propaganda in that post thn i have an interest to comment on. But a few points....

1. It's only a war crime to deliberately target civilians, which is what Hamas is doing about 40-80 times a day with rockets. If israel wanted to kill civilians, would they call houses before they bomb them to tell epople to evacuate? Probelm is, when Israel calls, the residents then call hamas and Hamas brings MORE civilians to the scene to deter Israel from bombing (shows how much they care for their own people).

The IDF even releases videos of EVERY air strike just to show how precise and targeted they are.

Also, mosques, universities etc, are NOT protected when being used to storm illeagle arms and launch attacks. And if you think they're not being used for this, you can watch the videos when they're bombed. You'll see one big explosian when the IAF bomb strikes, then about 10-20 seconds later you'll see a streak of massive explosions from inside, which are the stored munitions blowing up.

2. Hamas only became a political party in 2006, but it was all military befroe then. Just because terrorists get elected to politics doesnt mean they are not terrorists. If their fundamental purpouse is to destroy israel, that makes them ALL militant. If you bothered to watch the original videos posted, you will see the son of the founding member admiting to this. I'm sure he knows more about hamas than you do.

3. If you know the details of the original cease fire, you would see that Israel resereved the right to fire on militants posing an imediate danger as well as impose security restrictions on places where militants were firing rockets, even if it was within Gaza, thus israel did not violate any part of the cease fire, regardless of the propoganda Hamas feeds you...

4. When you fire on other people and then hide within your own population, knowing the "enemy" will fire back on you, that's using a human sheild. period.

5. RE: Lie #5, Israel calls the homes of people before an airstrike (unless they are Hamas of course). The resident doesn't need to flee Gaza, but they should get their ass outside of the house ASAP and maybe not use their houses to store weapons next time.

I know, you'r predictable, so you're gonna say it's not true. But i can assume you it is. I have friends who have been in the Israeli military and i hear first hand accounts of raids on militant houses. You would not believe the restrictions they have on being able to fire a weapon. And they go into these houses where they know there are weapons and they find them hidden in huge water basins where the residents have been collecting water for months. Of course the Army has to dump the basin to get to the weapons, but then Hamas uses that as propoganda that the Israelis are getting rid of their last rations of water. Natuarally, if they didn't hide their freaking weapons in their water basins they would not have to worry. But then they would not have that juicy bit of propoganda either. And they would rather go thirsty and blame israel then get rid of their weapons...

It's amazing from your post how much you sympathize with hamas and are not willing to put ANY blame on them. Their SOLE purpose is to destroy israel. It's not to create any type of peace, it's not to better the lives of palestinians, it's not to create any type of calm. It's to kill Israelis/Jews by any means available. I mean, these people shot 75 other palestinians (Fatah) just because they thought there was a chance they could help israel. If that's not insanse, i don't know what is...

Thankfully, one person who isn't completely braindead.
 
you must be the biggest dumbass if you think they haven't. they bomb the shit out of it, they cut all the humanitarian aids to it, there is no food, no drugs, no clean water, no electricity, no fuel and none of it is allowed to get in there.. what the FUCK are you talking about???
american media is fucked up and one sided toward Israeil. everybody knows that. well, atleast anything related to ruppert murdoch dickhead is.

You're even dumber than the other guy.

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eAfbLZgnIpI&feature=channel_page"]Israel delivering humanitarian aid[/ame]

ISRAEL DELIVERING HUMANITARIAN AID

Real mean guys, huh? But wait, they're committing 'war crimes'....

I swear it's like listening to a robot. American media sided towards Israel? If you don't live here, I'll forgive that breathtaking display of ignorance.
 
More lies and propaganda in that post thn i have an interest to comment on. But a few points....

1. It's only a war crime to deliberately target civilians, which is what Hamas is doing about 40-80 times a day with rockets. If israel wanted to kill civilians, would they call houses before they bomb them to tell epople to evacuate? Probelm is, when Israel calls, the residents then call hamas and Hamas brings MORE civilians to the scene to deter Israel from bombing (shows how much they care for their own people).

The IDF even releases videos of EVERY air strike just to show how precise and targeted they are.

Also, mosques, universities etc, are NOT protected when being used to storm illeagle arms and launch attacks. And if you think they're not being used for this, you can watch the videos when they're bombed. You'll see one big explosian when the IAF bomb strikes, then about 10-20 seconds later you'll see a streak of massive explosions from inside, which are the stored munitions blowing up.

2. Hamas only became a political party in 2006, but it was all military befroe then. Just because terrorists get elected to politics doesnt mean they are not terrorists. If their fundamental purpouse is to destroy israel, that makes them ALL militant. If you bothered to watch the original videos posted, you will see the son of the founding member admiting to this. I'm sure he knows more about hamas than you do.

3. If you know the details of the original cease fire, you would see that Israel resereved the right to fire on militants posing an imediate danger as well as impose security restrictions on places where militants were firing rockets, even if it was within Gaza, thus israel did not violate any part of the cease fire, regardless of the propoganda Hamas feeds you...

4. When you fire on other people and then hide within your own population, knowing the "enemy" will fire back on you, that's using a human sheild. period.

5. RE: Lie #5, Israel calls the homes of people before an airstrike (unless they are Hamas of course). The resident doesn't need to flee Gaza, but they should get their ass outside of the house ASAP and maybe not use their houses to store weapons next time.

I know, you'r predictable, so you're gonna say it's not true. But i can assume you it is. I have friends who have been in the Israeli military and i hear first hand accounts of raids on militant houses. You would not believe the restrictions they have on being able to fire a weapon. And they go into these houses where they know there are weapons and they find them hidden in huge water basins where the residents have been collecting water for months. Of course the Army has to dump the basin to get to the weapons, but then Hamas uses that as propoganda that the Israelis are getting rid of their last rations of water. Natuarally, if they didn't hide their freaking weapons in their water basins they would not have to worry. But then they would not have that juicy bit of propoganda either. And they would rather go thirsty and blame israel then get rid of their weapons...

It's amazing from your post how much you sympathize with hamas and are not willing to put ANY blame on them. Their SOLE purpose is to destroy israel. It's not to create any type of peace, it's not to better the lives of palestinians, it's not to create any type of calm. It's to kill Israelis/Jews by any means available. I mean, these people shot 75 other palestinians (Fatah) just because they thought there was a chance they could help israel. If that's not insanse, i don't know what is...

1. Hamas rockets are shite, not like the US rockets the Isreali's are using. Their rockets have not proper aim and if they were indeed firing 40-80 targetted missiles a day on isreali's civilians, there must be loads of casualties, where are they?

I have not seen the videos of the explosions.

2. I hate the word "terrorist" being used and this war on terror has legitimised all these illegal wars and taken many of our rights. In terms of the son of the founding member of Hamas admitting things, I watched the interview yet i have not heard anything from the guy himself, just the reporter reporting on things he said.

3. Civilians are getting fired on.

4. How can one expect to fire and run into isreal and scream "yeah I did it". That definition means that every country that goes to war uses human shields since if a country could send a missile from their country to another, they are not in enemy territory.

5. How do Isreal know the weapons are in the house? Its just an excuse to bomb the houses. If they are so concerned about the civilians why do they hinder humanitarian aid to Gaza?
 
the only news source I can trust is The Real News Network - Home
anything beside that is another AIPAC bitch. ok?
you need to wake up son. internet sure is a creepy place. specially for people like you. there are rallies against Israel all over the world. if you are not damn you would 've seen it on the internet, but ofcourse not in american TV. what is not yours will not be yours, don't you get it? if anybody is interested to really understand what Israeilis are doing in this country and how AIPAC is manupilating things in their favor, take a look at this video. you see how their propeganda machine works.


[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N294FMDok98"]YouTube - The Israel Lobby (Marije Meerman, VPRO Backlight 2007)[/ame]
 
the only news source I can trust is The Real News Network - Home
anything beside that is another AIPAC bitch. ok?
you need to wake up son. internet sure is a creepy place. specially for people like you. there are rallies against Israel all over the world. if you are not damn you would 've seen it on the internet, but ofcourse not in american TV. what is not yours will not be yours, don't you get it? if anybody is interested to really understand what Israeilis are doing in this country and how AIPAC is manupilating things in their favor, take a look at this video. you see how their propeganda machine works.


YouTube - The Israel Lobby (Marije Meerman, VPRO Backlight 2007)

Good link, I've bookmarked it. Thanks
 
If they are so concerned about the civilians why do they hinder humanitarian aid to Gaza?

HELLO MORON!!

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eAfbLZgnIpI&feature=channel_page"]ISRAEL DELIVERING HUMANITARIAN AID TO GAZA[/ame]

ISRAEL DELIVERING HUMANITARIAN AID TO GAZA

You're a fucking brainwashed robot. It's pathetic to see.
 
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