The Bullshit Side of the Internet Marketing Guru Industry

The entire culture over at warrior and with these syndicate guys is just ridiculous.

A lot of them don't even realize that they are snake oil salesman. They truly believe making up lies to sell their product (like that doctor bullshit) is just good copywriting.

At least warrior is self feeding in that they sell to each other. That bit in the video about the sales calls selling people internet dreams when they don't even know how to use a computer is terrible.
 


Originally i joined wickedfire because it was the only antiguru forum i could find.
Then I stayed for the gay webmasters.

You rang, master?

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Isn't that what MBBS stands for? What most doctor's are?

Either that, or my whole life's a lie. :ticking:

Lol at a doctor giving up his career and making and selling $17 websites!

LOL, you are actually right. In India, Pakistan(where he is from) the title is called "bachelor of medicine".

I took it like this is his degree. (you gotta study 6 yrs and you get straight to masters, in Europe).

Add 2,5yrs for general surgery, and 1,5 years more for specialization.

AND THEN YOU ARE QUALIFIED enough for making $17 website, hosted on 000webhost.
 
That was an awesome read and a good piece of journalism. Hopefully it gets picked up, put in front of a larger audience and gives Flatley's career a nice boost in the process. I'll be sharing it where I can.

I've been reading the droid for a long-ass time now. I'm thinking his blog and 'Scamworld' ought to be required reading for anyone who's:
1) newly unemployed
2) elderly
3) thinking about 'making the monies on the interwebz'.

Those are the people most susceptible to all this guru bullshit.

Thanks for the link.
 
no mention of shoemoney? why does he get a pass for pushing bullshit shoemoney systems and worthless tools on people?
 
Nice sales letter for a .99 ebook.

I'm personally skeptical of anyone who looks at any group of people and portrays them as "evil" or whatever.

There are always good and bad individuals within any given group.

This has the same journalistic integrity to me as an article that says "All blacks steal" or "All liberals are communists".

It's bullshit.

But people eat it up. Even those who should know better.

I've spent a lot of money on information and coaching that's paid back in spades. This author bitches about not being able to get a job after college. I'd argue that $50k in debt for skills that aren't marketable is a bigger ripoff than 99% of even the lowest-level guru rehashed products.

The author is selling an e-book on Kindle. The Kindle platform exists solely to *gasp*, consume information products.

This article paints everyone who markets online or sells information as scammers. Far from true or unbiased IMO.
 
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This article paints everyone who markets online or sells information as scammers. Far from true or unbiased IMO.

Flatley could have been a bit clearer on this point, but a read through the article shows what he had in mind:

ring up your card for as much as possible/no refund/no fulfillment/empty promises boiler rooms and lead gen guys...

It's true that there are legit guys in this space. Be up front, give refunds, do an honest fulfillment and work to comply w/the FTC and you'll be ok. Just like many other industries some bad applies can tarnish the whole lot in the eyes of the general public.
 
I quit buying into this get rich quick shit when I was like 16 years old and wanted to go with some company and travel around the country selling magazine subscriptions making a ton of money. My mother gave a harsh slew of insults for being a fucking idiot and "not using my brain".

To this day I have no fucking idea who any of these people from OP's article are. I also have no idea who all these faggots are that give these business inspirational tips and videos that you guys watch.

I enjoy not knowing who any of these people are. it's bad enough I know who Rand Fiskin and Shoemoney is, that's about as deep as I want to go in the guru cesspool...even that's way too deep for my personal well-being.

Cool article I guess, though I dunno who any of the subjects are that it's going after so it's not very exciting to me.

EDIT: I found this pic of Jon laying around, enjoy.

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STOP PROMOTING THIS "THEVERGE" CRAP

the author is on a personal rampage trying to tear down an establishment he has no chance of harming, because he can't stop foaming at the mouth for long enough to put out a coherent call to action (other than "buy my ebook", fucking hypocrit). i assume frank kern ripped him off, fucked his mom, and shot his dog, as frank kern is known to do.

these sentences right up near the top fully expose his bais and naivity, this man should not be writing content about shit he doesn't understand --
"...an Internet Marketer — a 21st century snake oil salesman." and "The term Internet Marketing describes both a particular business model used to sell fraudulent products and services online, and the community or subculture that embraces it."

OH YES WE SURELY MUST ALL BE FRAUD BECAUSE WE MARKET ONLINE
I TRICK SO MANY PEOPLE INTO SIGNING UP FOR DATING LEADS THEY REALLY NEVER WANTED IN THE FIRST PLACE, DESPITE ALREADY HAVING THEIR PENIS OUT AND SEMI-ERECT
 
STOP PROMOTING THIS "THEVERGE" CRAP

the author is on a personal rampage trying to tear down an establishment he has no chance of harming, because he can't stop foaming at the mouth for long enough to put out a coherent call to action (other than "buy my ebook", fucking hypocrit). i assume frank kern ripped him off, fucked his mom, and shot his dog, as frank kern is want to do.

these sentences right up near the top fully expose his bais and naivity, this man should not be writing content about shit he doesn't understand --
"...an Internet Marketer — a 21st century snake oil salesman." and "The term Internet Marketing describes both a particular business model used to sell fraudulent products and services online, and the community or subculture that embraces it."

OH YES WE SURELY MUST ALL BE FRAUD BECAUSE WE MARKET ONLINE
I TRICK SO MANY PEOPLE INTO SIGNING UP FOR DATING LEADS THEY REALLY NEVER WANTED IN THE FIRST PLACE, DESPITE ALREADY HAVING THEIR PENIS OUT AND SEMI-ERECT

Sir, are your jimmies rustled?
 
Who the heck would give any of those dirtbags $5000 or any amount of money for that fact. If it sounds too good to be true it is. Sheeple
 
Inb4 everyone blaming WarriorForum realizes that WickedFire also plays host to loads of "Internet Entrepreneurs" pushing worthless garbage on people
 
This article paints everyone who markets online or sells information as scammers. Far from true or unbiased IMO.

This. Total hatchet job by a hack reporter. Entertaining though.

Exihibit A:

As Dan Thines, an SEO professional and former employee of an Internet Marketing company called StomperNet,

Thines, Theis, who needs facts?
 
The cases in that article are MILD compared to some that I saw in the extremely short time I worked with a certain guru I won't mention here (though he's in the article). After quitting my own day job, training various assistants, and teaching my mom to make money on her blog, I thought it might be kind of fun to show more people how to make a little extra income...and to get a closer look at how one of those companies operates.

$100k-200k in products purchased was not at all uncommon, and some of the people didn't even know how to save an Excel file or locate something they had saved on their computers. They needed community college computer classes, not "make money online" products. The vast majority had never put any of the methods into practice (for obvious reasons), even though *some* of the courses did have content that wasn't totally outdated and useless. On one hand, I wanted to write them all off, thinking, "A fool and his money..." Realistically, though, the despicable nature of how they were doing business outweighed my belief that every responsible adult should have a better-tuned BS detector than what the customers were demonstrating.

-Testimonials, in some cases, came from employees/contractors of the company itself. Others were just traded among product owners. I remember at the very end, sitting there watching product owners coach each other on what to say about their products as they filmed testimonial videos. Some offered cash to students to do the same (or discounts on products, in a lot of cases). I kind of wish I had been recording what was going on.

-Cross-promotions (perhaps a bigger income stream than their own courses) were marketed with 100% lies in a lot of cases. They told me and a few other people how they made $600k in an evening from one promotional email about a $2000 product. They did that with a video talking about how they used that "essential tool" to make thousands, blah blah...but of course, they had never actually used it. They thought that part was pretty funny.

-Struggling "students" - You'd think they'd have the decency to be honest with someone after they had blown $50k with them, but instead of telling people that maybe it just wasn't going to happen for them, or that maybe they should just work with the tools they already have instead of constantly buying more...they would chastise them for "letting go of the dream", not having the right tools (STILL), or "not working hard enough/long enough". Somehow, the advice always involved spending more - even if they were sick, in debt, pulling from their kid's college fund, etc.

I don't know how many people I told to give it up on the short time before I quit, but for the most part, they were too deeply brainwashed to listen to common sense. They would come back at me with stories of how so-and-so looked like a failure for SOOOO long until he finally hit it big. They didn't want to hear that (a) the story was a lie, or (b) the person in the story had a lot more skills/innate intelligence/drive/work ethic...

In truth, I don't know if it's really any worse than a lot of other "investments" people take on. College is getting to be a pretty bad financial investment these days, especially third-tier private colleges + unmarketable majors. Yet, we've created a system where people will do obscene things to get that education because everyone seems to think you MUST have a degree.

Franchising, while profitable for some, is often little more than a money grab from the owners who lock people into horrible, abusive contracts and get them to invest their life savings in businesses where even the best locations rarely get a better return than a simple index fund over the long-haul - and franchises are much riskier and involve a lot more work. Most of them have teams specifically designed to sell people on the concept and help them figure out ways to get the funds (though, being a more established industry, they have significantly more rules than IM).

Then there's the general "American Dream", which is perhaps the biggest scam of all, given that it leaves most people deeply in debt and working constantly to service that debt and maintain their lifestyle while making someone else richer...and most of them won't even realize it until they look back with regret 50 years down the road, realizing they should have spent more time on the things that actually mattered to them. You can't replace time.

The effort to expose the gurus is admirable and it's definitely a huge irritation that so many people associate online marketing with that stuff - but it's just treating a symptom. Some people seem to go through life just looking for someone else to tell them what to do and take everything they have. There will always be people who fall into bad situations and let their hope outweigh their common sense. I have to wonder if targeting that way of thinking would be more effective than constantly battling the people in line to take advantage of it.
 
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This article paints everyone who markets online or sells information as scammers. Far from true or unbiased IMO.


In all fairness, most people who sell ebooks and information are in fact selling trash. If they actually had some information that was legit and worthwhile, they wouldn't be outting the method and they wouldn't have time to peddle ebooks or courses because they'd be too fucking busy banking. So yea, if you're selling ebooks...you might be a snake oil salesman.