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All we have to go by is Marx's writings. Hellblazer isn't just saying that what Marx wrote wasn't his exact views, but that his final goals were actually the polar opposite of what he stated.

Moxie, have you ever read the works of Ayn Rand? Because she clearly feels that the goals of socialism/communism were opposite of what was written.

It is also clearly laid out in her characters within her book.

She has some incredible works and I think you would know where at least I am coming from when I believe Marx and Lenin were evil manipulators - I cannot speak for Hellblazer.




The Old Testament and parts of the new one might be about controlling people, but to say that the goal of the words of Christ was really to control people, that is also just speculation.

The Bible is meant to control. Ask any Christian. The Bible lays out the path for which a person is to live their life, as an imitator of Christ. Christ came to show the Christian how to live. The Bible is all about modifying behavior - it is very clear about that. What do you think it means to give your life to God? To "believe" means to subject your self to, to follow, to do - so when it says believe in Christ - that is what it means.
 


Moxie, have you ever read the works of Ayn Rand? Because she clearly feels that the goals of socialism/communism were opposite of what was written.

It is also clearly laid out in her characters within her book.

She has some incredible works and I think you would know where at least I am coming from when I believe Marx and Lenin were evil manipulators - I cannot speak for Hellblazer.

I've read some of her stuff, but that was awhile ago. Communism as interpreted by people who label themselves as communists, or get labeled that by others, is different than true communism as defined by Marx. Rand's critique is more of the former, from what I remember.

The writings of Jefferson are what they are. Modern day people can call themselves "patriots" and then pass a "Patriot Act." To claim that Jefferson would have supported it, even if his writings say otherwise - that's also total speculation.

The Bible is meant to control. Ask any Christian. The Bible lays out the path for which a person is to live their life, as an imitator of Christ. Christ came to show the Christian how to live. The Bible is all about modifying behavior - it is very clear about that. What do you think it means to give your life to God? To "believe" means to subject your self to, to follow, to do - so when it says believe in Christ - that is what it means.

It tells people how to live, but it still says that they have free will to choose not to.
 
Do you have access to lost writings by Marx that nobody has seen? In Marxist theory, socialism is the "dictatorship of the proletariat", while communism is the anarchistic stage after that.

A true socialist or communist state has never happened. If you are saying that was actually Marx's secret plan, then that would be pure speculation, unless you want to reveal to the world the lost chapters of the Communist Manifesto that you are hiding in your basement.

A true socialist or communist state has never happened because it CAN NEVER HAPPEN. The minute the structure is in place, the useful idiots(look in mirror) are eliminated and no longer necessary.

That's when the real thugs, the communist killers, take over. It's happened so often in so many countries it honestly becomes tedious. Obama is the final piece, you can see it before your very eyes what the fuck they're doing. You honestly think he'll leave office? He is our Chavez, our Castro, our Lenin.

Continue in your delusion. The U.S. is the last bastion, and people like you are the bugs eating away at the foundations. At least I can console myself with the knowledge that when you scum finally succeed and it becomes abundantly clear what has happened, you will realize how much of a fucking idiot you were and will not be able to live with the shame of how you betrayed your country.

The Secret of Socialism
By Stu Tarlowe

The world of socialism is built on a deep secret. I learned of this founding secret from an old friend. Now it can be told.
I'd like to take this opportunity to introduce American Thinker readers to an old schoolmate of mine; one with whom, after being out of touch for decades, I've exchanged political thoughts via e-mail over the past several years.

Damian Housman has come a long way since our days at Manhattan's Junior High School #104. He's a retired USAF lt. colonel who flew as a navigator in C-141s and a weapons systems officer in F-4s, and has been all over the world. His civilian credits include public affairs work for the Air Force and for local law enforcement, plus working for a Washington PR firm. And he is a former field editor of International Combat Arms.

In addition to being well-traveled, well-read, and well-spoken, he's analytical and insightful. He is certainly an American Thinker. And some of his recent comments struck me as worth sharing with a wider audience.

In discussing the Oslo mass-murderer being branded as a "right-winger," Damian pointed out the following, of which the mainstream media managed to be ignorant or to conveniently ignore:

What passes for the "right" in Europe is just another form of socialism. They called this guy "right wing" saying he was part of a Swedish Nazi forum. But Nazi means National Socialist, and nothing like what the right in the USA would be.

Here, the right is the home of those who believe in the Constitution as the law of the land. It is the opposite of the lawless liberals, socialists, Marxists, communists, Bolsheviks and other assorted Democrats. That a "right wing" socialist in Europe goes off the deep end, and attacks "left wing" socialists is neither surprising nor new.

But here's the real bombshell that Damian dropped on me, challenging the notion that socialism's goal is the betterment of mankind and that those who lead socialist movements are idealistic "true believers":

What is socialism, whether Bolshevik, Menshevik, national, Maoist, social democrat, liberal, or whatever flavor you can name? A set of economic principles? Political values? An attitude? Don't head off to a dictionary or Google-land for this.

I commend to you Solzhenitsyn's "Lenin In Zurich", a book I read years ago. It is fiction, yet invaluable to the understanding of the last century, and the next. I am about to share with you a secret known to few: Lenin, Stalin, Hitler, Mussolini, Mao, Deng, Pol Pot, Castro, and Solzhenitsyn himself. And me. And now you.

Socialism does not exist except in the imagination of the true believer and the useful idiot. None of the names I listed believed there was such a thing as socialism. They knew it for what it was: a means of fooling mass numbers of people into following them, and thus achieving power. Political power. Military power. Economic power. Absolute power.

As you read Lenin in Zurich you understand that Lenin doesn't believe a word of the ideological nonsense he spouts. He translates his agenda, long term and immediate, into terms that are palatable to his mass following.

How else can one explain his statement that "Switzerland is the most revolutionary country on the face of the earth!"? He said it because Swiss men each kept a firearm at home for reserve military duties. He wanted to entice the Swiss to revolt, using their weapons, and this was a way of putting it in his followers' ideological framework. He later said the same thing about America, and for the same reason. Neither worked. Lenin In Zurich presents the litany of techniques which can be copied by any tyrant.

The leader need not continue to spout socialist claptrap, except to continue to fool his flock. And they are willing fools. Given the socialist framework, the flock will fill in the blanks themselves, centralizing power in the center. All to the advantage of the boss, who doesn't give a damn about the flock.
That's why we still hear communist dupes who tell us socialism failed in the Soviet Union because it wasn't done properly. The leaders didn't quite get it right. Not so. Socialism failed in the Soviet Union because socialism does not exist.

So, what can we say about the United States today? Our leader, and those who are his helpmates, do appear to be committed socialists. That means they haven't looked behind the curtain. They don't know the magician's trick.
Who is our Lenin? Who is our Stalin? Who is our Mao? This would have to be someone who knows socialism is meaningful only to his willing fools. Someone who will capitalize when a socialist government in America is complete. My money is on George Soros, but I could be mistaken. Whoever it is, when he has achieved power, we had all better watch out.

One of my favorite films, The Usual Suspects, contains the memorable and oft-quoted line, "The greatest trick the Devil ever pulled was convincing the world that he doesn't exist."
Perhaps the greatest trick socialism ever pulled was convincing the world that it does exist!
 
Bwahahahaha!!!

God I love Hellblazer posts... He's like Teguh but wearing a full-body tinfoil suit!

Hey HB; you just totally opened yourself up for failure this time.

You said: "Obama is the final piece, you can see it before your very eyes what the fuck they're doing. You honestly think he'll leave office? He is our Chavez, our Castro, our Lenin."

This, coupled with your hilarious signature clearly shows your position: That Obama is a ruthless socialist with Palpatine-like intentions, who won't let go of the presidency once his time is up.

God it's going to be fun teasing you next year (Or in 5 years) when that doesn't happen and you realize he's just a dude, & not a dark Jedi Master!
 
It tells people how to live, but it still says that they have free will to choose not to.

Yes, Christ does leave that open and he added that in so doing you are choosing an eternity in Heaven or Hell.

In Re Hellblazer - much of what he is saying is true though I stop far short of Obama being the final piece. If Obama were to be the final piece then he would have been a much better politician and success than the current Fail that he is right now.
 
Bwahahahaha!!!

God I love Hellblazer posts... He's like Teguh but wearing a full-body tinfoil suit!

Hey HB; you just totally opened yourself up for failure this time.

You said: "Obama is the final piece, you can see it before your very eyes what the fuck they're doing. You honestly think he'll leave office? He is our Chavez, our Castro, our Lenin."

This, coupled with your hilarious signature clearly shows your position: That Obama is a ruthless socialist with Palpatine-like intentions, who won't let go of the presidency once his time is up.

God it's going to be fun teasing you next year (Or in 5 years) when that doesn't happen and you realize he's just a dude, & not a dark Jedi Master!

And when I'm proven right(as I will be), should I come back here for your pathetic rationalizations? Should I return to watch you squirm? Should I actually place any value on watching your embarrassment?

No, because it honestly gives me no joy to be mocked by Fools. I suppose if it was at least somebody of above average intelligence laughing at my correct predictions, I could take pleasure in the fact that I'd perceived something they hadn't.

But Fools like you? Fatbat? The hundred other Drones who take pride in marketing garbage and then swallow the biggest Communist crap of all? No, there's no joy, only a quiet pity. Obviously Retards and Idiots wouldn't be able to see what should be obvious to a person of even average intelligence.

There's no value in the opinion of a useful idiot, because they have surrendered all cognitive functions and are merely tools of the Communist behavioral scientists. Just like there's no value in proving them wrong, because they'll always be wrong. It's like taking pride in beating up a child.

But I suppose I'll return occasionally to warn the people, for the one or two that aren't completely brainwashed and will heed the Message.

Continue on, Great Fool.
 
So in the other thread you said the commies were going to kill the black people, but you're also saying that Obama is their chosen one?

If they are so powerful, they must also be monitoring all your communications.
Hopefully you don't end up packed into an interment camp, squeezed between two black folk.


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