Stephen Hawking Says the Universe Was Not Created by God

The answer to how long ago the earth is created is written in the Bible is it not?
I think this dude is just trolling us, but a lot of people actually believe this stuff and talk like he does in a serious way.

Mama, don't let your babies grow up to be retards. China is going to kick our asses in the sciences and technology because they don't indulge this religious twaddle.
 


I'm not trollin, I'm serial. And I never said believe like I do or else! :D I guess I just have a lot to say.
 
When we stop questioning our beliefs we are making intellectual suicide.

Beliefs, whether scientific or religious - are mental blocks. Some mental blocks are doing a service to the advancement of knowledge, and some regress further advancement.

All religions are complicated head games of exclusivity based on personal experience which can never be proven, only felt. The only real question is whether you are able to deny your feelings with logic(atheist/agnostics) or aren't able to because it destroy the mental image of yourself (believer).

Religion has emotionally satisfying answers that are inherently unknowable for people who seek them. It's big business to answer these questions and convert someone to your own belief system.

I'd rather spend the rest of my life not knowing and wondering from time to time.
 
I kinda like this angle on the whole God thing...

You were on your way home when you died.

It was a car accident. Nothing particularly remarkable, but fatal nonetheless. You left behind a wife and two children. It was a painless death. The EMTs tried their best to save you, but to no avail. Your body was so utterly shattered you were better off, trust me.

And that’s when you met me.

“What… what happened?” You asked. “Where am I?”

“You died,” I said, matter-of-factly. No point in mincing words.

“There was a… a truck and it was skidding…”

“Yup,” I said.

“I… I died?”

“Yup. But don’t feel bad about it. Everyone dies,” I said.

You looked around. There was nothingness. Just you and me. “What is this place?” You asked. “Is this the afterlife?”

“More or less,” I said.

“Are you god?” You asked.

“Yup,” I replied. “I’m God.”

“My kids… my wife,” you said.

“What about them?”

“Will they be all right?”

“That’s what I like to see,” I said. “You just died and your main concern is for your family. That’s good stuff right there.”

You looked at me with fascination. To you, I didn’t look like God. I just looked like some man. Or possibly a woman. Some vague authority figure, maybe. More of a grammar school teacher than the almighty.

“Don’t worry,” I said. “They’ll be fine. Your kids will remember you as perfect in every way. They didn’t have time to grow contempt for you. You wife will cry on the outside, but will be secretly relieved. To be fair, your marriage was falling apart. If it’s any consolation, she’ll feel very guilty for feeling relieved.”

“Oh,” you said. “So what happens now? Do I go to heaven or hell or something?”

“Neither,” I said. “You’ll be reincarnated.”

“Ah,” you said. “So the Hindus were right,”

“All religions are right in their own way,” I said. “Walk with me.”

You followed along as we strode through the void. “Where are we going?”

“Nowhere in particular,” I said. “It’s just nice to walk while we talk.”

“So what’s the point, then?” You asked. “When I get reborn, I’ll just be a blank slate, right? A baby. So all my experiences and everything I did in this life won’t matter.”

“Not so!” I said. “You have within you all the knowledge and experiences of all your past lives. You just don’t remember them right now.”

I stopped walking and took you by the shoulders. “Your soul is more magnificent, beautiful, and gigantic than you can possibly imagine. A human mind can only contain a tiny fraction of what you are. It’s like sticking your finger in a glass of water to see if it’s hot or cold. You put a tiny part of yourself into the vessel, and when you bring it back out, you’ve gained all the experiences it had.

“You’ve been in a human for the last 48 years, so you haven’t stretched out yet and felt the rest of your immense consciousness. If we hung out here for long enough, you’d start remembering everything. But there’s no point to doing that between each life.”

“How many times have I been reincarnated, then?”

“Oh lots. Lots and lots. An in to lots of different lives.” I said. “This time around, you’ll be a Chinese peasant girl in 540 AD.”

“Wait, what?” You stammered. “You’re sending me back in time?”

“Well, I guess technically. Time, as you know it, only exists in your universe. Things are different where I come from.”

“Where you come from?” You said.

“Oh sure,” I explained “I come from somewhere. Somewhere else. And there are others like me. I know you’ll want to know what it’s like there, but honestly you wouldn’t understand.”

“Oh,” you said, a little let down. “But wait. If I get reincarnated to other places in time, I could have interacted with myself at some point.”

“Sure. Happens all the time. And with both lives only aware of their own lifespan you don’t even know it’s happening.”

“So what’s the point of it all?”

“Seriously?” I asked. “Seriously? You’re asking me for the meaning of life? Isn’t that a little stereotypical?”

“Well it’s a reasonable question,” you persisted.

I looked you in the eye. “The meaning of life, the reason I made this whole universe, is for you to mature.”

“You mean mankind? You want us to mature?”

“No, just you. I made this whole universe for you. With each new life you grow and mature and become a larger and greater intellect.”

“Just me? What about everyone else?”

“There is no one else,” I said. “In this universe, there’s just you and me.”

You stared blankly at me. “But all the people on earth…”

“All you. Different incarnations of you.”

“Wait. I’m everyone!?”

“Now you’re getting it,” I said, with a congratulatory slap on the back.

“I’m every human being who ever lived?”

“Or who will ever live, yes.”

“I’m Abraham Lincoln?”

“And you’re John Wilkes Booth, too,” I added.

“I’m Hitler?” You said, appalled.

“And you’re the millions he killed.”

“I’m Jesus?”

“And you’re everyone who followed him.”

You fell silent.

“Every time you victimized someone,” I said, “you were victimizing yourself. Every act of kindness you’ve done, you’ve done to yourself. Every happy and sad moment ever experienced by any human was, or will be, experienced by you.”

You thought for a long time.

“Why?” You asked me. “Why do all this?”

“Because someday, you will become like me. Because that’s what you are. You’re one of my kind. You’re my child.”

“Whoa,” you said, incredulous. “You mean I’m a god?”

“No. Not yet. You’re a fetus. You’re still growing. Once you’ve lived every human life throughout all time, you will have grown enough to be born.”

“So the whole universe,” you said, “it’s just…”

“An egg.” I answered. “Now it’s time for you to move on to your next life.”

And I sent you on your way.
 
LOL all that both sides have is projected math. In fact almost EVERYTHING is calculated by projections... stocks, rates, income stuff... population in a couple years... so you can't call BS just because the numbers don't suit your liking. Why if the world is so old is the damn dust on the moon not that stacked is what you should be asking! lol (im just playin) In the end it comes down to what your opinion is. You laughed at what I had to say, but there is no solid evidence to what you are saying (just like my side), but the point is, no body knows because neither of us where there. Im just saying why I believe what I believe...

Scientists get paid to make up shit anyways. I would much rather believe the bible or a person who is afraid to lie then listen to a bunch of scientists laughing at people because of the retarded things that they get them to believe... after all we fund the money that they spend on this "research".

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:) well I disagree. Dinosaurs are great! did you know that they actually found a triceratops about 100 years ago or so on some island.

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Science is just Religion, but on Truth serum! The difference being verifiability and repeatability!

The accepted stance or mode of questioning of science is that anything intellectually comprehensible is benign to evolution and anything that cannot be put in words (or calculable data) isn't.

Religion believes that especially that which cannot be observed (the actual iceberg underneath the tip) is the great and motivating force. Falling one step up from theorizing the existence of, for example, black holes.

As someone said - there are questions unanswered. But there is nothing that can deny the fact that you, me and everything else just created itself. We were born out of something and that something evolved from something else which further had already evolved from God knows what!
 
I don't think man is capable of knowing the answer to this shit. I also don't think were not. Does this make sense? Logic is a human invention we need to think outside the inside but we can't - we need to evolve more first.

So whilst I'm angry about my limitations as a human I’m going to think in my human logic and believe there is a god of some description - this makes me sleep better at night knowing loves ones are somewhere sexy. It also comforts me that when I kick the bucket that god will accept me for believing in him/her/it - this is probably better to do this because if you don't believe in a god and then you find out there is one - your fucked.

As for the universe, or the fish bowl we live in, it's just space inside a stick of RAM - once someone crt+alt+dels our ass we'll be here typing the same thing again at some point.

I like how someone described our universe as just a computer game where the rules (laws of physics) were not designed to be known in full and pieces of the puzzle will always be missing. This may explain why we don't have an answer yet.
 
Either way, whether its divine creation or spontaneous creation there is no way around having to accept that there is something infinite. If you believe that the universe created itself, it still created itself from something - from matter and energy that already existed. If you believe that God created the universe, then God already existed. In either case, either the matter and energy have no beginning, or God has no beginning. It just exists, and always has. Whichever one you believe.

Man can spend forever trying to intellectualize it but there will never be an answer to the question "Where did it all begin?" because something has always existed.


Dammit, I never thought of it like that... if God created the universe and us, then who created God? And who created the creator of God? And the creator of the creator of God? And...

I think my head's going to explode :eek7:

Feels great to see that there are some like-minded individuals here... I do sometimes seem to think what God would be like... I try to think where we came from, and what was there before the universe came into existence, what would be there if there were no matter and such.

Fatbat, believe me, my head also almost explodes when I think of this. I very hardly try to focus my mind upon something else...

All of us are engaged in materialistic pursuits and don't care much about this, but there's much more to our life than just the five evils - Lust, Rage, Greed, Attachment and ego. The purpose of our life is to attain salvation from life & death... It is when we escape from the endless cycle of life & death in various living forms and become one with the Holy Spirit of which we are a part.