You idiot, we are mear particles of something in this universe. When we die, like all organisms, nothing happens.
Stephen Hawking Says the Universe Was Not Created by God
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You idiot, we are mear particles of something in this universe. When we die, like all organisms, nothing happens.
Your a sheep if you openly bash a religion because you think its stupid based on your beliefs on stuff you probably know very little about. You believe in a theory that before the universe was created there was this huge explosion that created the universe. Yet you find it stupid for people to believe in a higher power that created everything. They both sound very far fetched.
that being said id say religion serves a better purpose for people than the ideas of non believers ever will. Infact I'd say that if it weren't for religion and having a belief in something higher and the belief of appeasing that higher power we wouldn't be where we are today. Religion helps humans believe in something. It sets moral boundaries and keeps people in check.
As for atheists I gotta admit I don't think i've ever seen a happy atheist. Probably because most atheist don't believe in anything other than themselves. If everyone today stopped believing in their religion of choice and became an atheist the world would be a lot different. Wither you want to believe it or not Id say the idea of religion has helped the human race more than it has hurt it. The problem is people abuse religion to get what they want. Thats just human nature. There will always be a few bad apples in the wrong place.
But anyway either side has no real right to trash the other because they both lack proof. Religion works on faith and science wants facts. Religion doesn't work that way and science can't prove either side right or wrong so the whole debate is pointless. Any side that openly bashes each others beliefs is like starting a gun fight with no bullets. Its pointless and stupid. Move on with your lives.
Difference is religion is based upon nothing more than faith without evidence and was made up in a time when people knew nothing about science or the world around them. Why doesn't the bible talk about electricity, DNA, the rest of the universe etc. This is why I prefer to stick with science which is discovering more about the universe rather than just saying "god did it".
You can’t prove or disprove God.
Such things exist in the “spirit” realm which we can not see, measure or experience since we are physical beings. Therefore a non-physical reality (and whether it exists or not) is totally irrelevant to us.
Such things exist in the “spirit” realm which we can not see, measure or experience since we are physical beings. Therefore a non-physical reality (and whether it exists or not) is totally irrelevant to us.
Read a book called The End of Faith by Sam Harris and then revisit this statement and see if you still agree with yourself. Religion is one of the most abhorrent inventions man has ever created. It literally stunts our growth as a species. 46% of Americans believe that in the next 50 years the rapture will happen, the world will end, and Jesus will come back to earth and take his "flock" to heaven. How can a thought process like that be good for society? How can brainwashing a 6 year old into the belief that is he sins that he will burn for eternity in hell? Just a tiny fraction of what is wrong with religion.
By the way, I'm an Atheist and I'm quite happy. I don't need a religion to set my "moral boundaries" or keep me "in check." They very thing you use to support religion is one of it's most devious characteristics. It is used to control people by a theological oligarchy to do what they consider right and wrong. Take gay marriage for instance. The only argument in opposition for it comes from the religious zealots who claim that their god doesn't like it. And this is not a small minority of "bad apples." It is a significant portion of the populace trying to impose their twisted perspective on other sovereign people, all based on religion.
I encourage everyone to watch this video - http://www.ted.com/talks/lang/eng/sam_harris_science_can_show_what_s_right.html
It makes a fantastic argument for the eradication of religion. We do not need religion, it needs to go the way of Zeus and Thor. This world would be much better off without it.
Dammit, I never thought of it like that... if God created the universe and us, then who created God? And who created the creator of God? And the creator of the creator of God? And...
I think my head's going to explode :eek7:
I don't find this funny. Nor do I find the religious fags denying the truth funny at all. Keep praying dumbasses while your kids are getting molested by monks and priests.
Nowhere in that post does it say 'Hawking disproves the existence of God' or anything similar.
Hawking's simply saying that within current cosmological theories it may not be necessary for God (read: unexplained cause) to exist (occur) for the Big Bang to have happened.
What he is doing, and what science has been doing for centuries, is pushing back the realm of phenomena that was previously attributed to 'God'. People used to believe that God created rainbows as an apology for the flood, then Newton came along showed how rainbows occur and now it's pretty obvious that they've always occurred. Same for the origin of life, it used to be that man was created directly from the earth. Nowadays it's pretty rare to encounter an argument that Adam was the first man, instead Intelligent Design gets used to try and keep a few certain things unexplainable and so leave space for God.
Eventually arguing that God started the Big Bang will be as absurd as rainbows not existing before a flood.
Hawking's simply saying that within current cosmological theories it may not be necessary for God (read: unexplained cause) to exist (occur) for the Big Bang to have happened.
What he is doing, and what science has been doing for centuries, is pushing back the realm of phenomena that was previously attributed to 'God'. People used to believe that God created rainbows as an apology for the flood, then Newton came along showed how rainbows occur and now it's pretty obvious that they've always occurred. Same for the origin of life, it used to be that man was created directly from the earth. Nowadays it's pretty rare to encounter an argument that Adam was the first man, instead Intelligent Design gets used to try and keep a few certain things unexplainable and so leave space for God.
Eventually arguing that God started the Big Bang will be as absurd as rainbows not existing before a flood.
If there is nothing before life then there can be nothing afterlife, Christianity does not tell us where we came from just where we're going if we don't stick to morals thus is based on fear as are many other religions.
Another reason for religion is to mourn people after they are no longer here, the idea that someone is safe in a haven and you will meet them again is a comfort and relieves distress.
To sum up .. religion is a fucking joke.
Another reason for religion is to mourn people after they are no longer here, the idea that someone is safe in a haven and you will meet them again is a comfort and relieves distress.
To sum up .. religion is a fucking joke.
46% of Americans believe that in the next 50 years the rapture will happen, the world will end, and Jesus will come back to earth and take his "flock" to heaven. How can a thought process like that be good for society? How can brainwashing a 6 year old into the belief that is he sins that he will burn for eternity in hell? Just a tiny fraction of what is wrong with religion.
To answer your first question I never said a certain religion was good for society. I said the idea of religion was good for society. Its just a fact of life that where ever there is a potential for people to abuse power they are given like members of the church for their own personal gain then shit will eventually hit the fan. There is nothing abnormal about that it happens everywhere you look, not just in religion either.
and to answer your second question even though I don't follow the bible teachings I can see how the hell story would be a very good moral teaching. Since everyone isn't a fan of spanking the shit out of your kids for being bad these days the next best thing would be to scare some sense into them. I actually believe a lot of the shitty people and arrogant prick kids in this world come from families with no church background or parents who never taught their children morals or whats right and wrong. Just look at the culture difference from just 50-60 years ago when religion was still very big. Kids weren't pompous assholes and today most kids grow up not giving a flying fuck whats right and whats wrong. The bible and religious teachings at least do a good job at being a moral backing for families.
But i've gone on too long, This has nothing to do with creation and your just religion bashing. Which seems to be the new trend among "rebel bad asses" this decade.
I lol'd.
Stephen Hawking is so crazy every other intelligent person on earth agrees with his conclusion. Definitely sounds like he's going crazy.
Religion gave people a strong moral backing my ass.
76% of the prison population is made up of Christians.
Atheists supply less than 1% of the prison population.
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If you believe in a god, you might as well believe in unicorns and goblins they have just as much evidence.
Atheist alert... Most Doctors in America believe in God and/or Afterlife.
Survey: Most doctors believe in God, afterlife - Health - Health care - msnbc.com
Those Darn religious bigots got into the medical field now.
Survey: Most doctors believe in God, afterlife - Health - Health care - msnbc.com
Those Darn religious bigots got into the medical field now.
I was trying so hard to refrain but temptation got the best of me (bad pun intended)
It does, and a whole lot more, if you know what you're really reading.
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I agree with you but I think there's a lot more to it than just the degradation of morality with declining religion: Madison Avenue, (sorry but) certain elements of feminism, fake corporate-sponsored anti-family agendas pushed on kids as the next cool thing, and the subjugation of religious institutions by foundation and federal monies.
I'll just leave this here...something to consider no matter your perspective.
Are we living in a designer universe? - Telegraph
I think this is closer to the truth than most people are willing to consider.
Well then, who created the first universe designers/men?
If they came out of nothing, who created nothing?
The universe is a mindfuck, and I doubt we will ever find the answers. It's possible however...