SpamWow 4.0: Still Ranking With Churn and Burn Spam
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Regarding the 301 part, I'm not in the loop of all the other stuff being brought up;
Currently on Google.co.uk search term "payday loans", #8 is a 301 redirect:
www.ukdipg.org.uk/ -> http://www.quickpaydayloanadvanced.co.uk/
It'll probably be manually removed within 24-48 hours...
I'm not sure of what all that means regarding this UK payday loan scandal/situation, or if it even has a part in this conversation.
I took the order form down. A bunch of sales rushed in b/c of this drama and I do not know who is an actual order and who is just someone trying to add mroe drama to this thread after the sale. A bunch of Mini orders came in for $75 trying to rank for terms like "payday loans online". Sorry, but this isn't going to happen on the Mini as the Mini is about 1/5th the power of the reg. SpamWow. I don't need a bunch of orders coming in from people who have unrealistic needs atm. I am more then happy to talk to these people 1x1 which I have done before, but so many came in I had to stop it.
Regarding the 301 part, I'm not in the loop of all the other stuff being brought up;
Currently on Google.co.uk search term "payday loans", #8 is a 301 redirect:
Payday Loans - Cash in Your Account in 15 Minutes -> Payday Loans - Cash in Your Account in 15 Minutes
It'll probably be manually removed within 24-48 hours...
I'm not sure of what all that means regarding this UK payday loan scandal/situation, or if it even has a part in this conversation.
^^ yeah, but 301's are not an innovation that help SpamWow and spam is not working in big niches anymore like it was said before by Mituozo. Its just icing on the cake because, you know, you dont want all the help you can get in ranking big terms right? OK.
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I see spam ranking everyday, not sure what SERPs your looking at. There is more to niches like Payday then "payday loans online". Your missing a lot of longer tails and co-niches like cash advance and short term loans.
Also it doesn't take the "best in this business" to rank a site for payday loans. A lot of the time its take someone finding a couple loopholes and then exploiting them. So to assume that only the best can rank is crazy. the best are not always on top 100% of the time.
Also, there have been plenty of BSTs on this forum that have had their time and that have ranked people for similar terms. Anyone remember DFB, SGW, etc etc? I could go on if I had enough time to sit down and write out the other BSTs that went viral on here that ranked people. To assume that another BST wont come and do the same is just ignorant.
Sure, but even you admit an odd parasite will jump to top 10, what is powering that jump? Unicorn links? Also #8 right now is a 301 redirect in the niche as well so I guess 301 and spam is still working then. There will always be sites ranking in this niche and at some point the manual reviews will die down as well. Anyone thats been doing SEO for more then 5 years can attest to that. Also, just because Google has a hard eye on "payday loans online" in the UK doesnt mean they are looking at "short term cash advance" and other similar terms in other countries. Spam still works, if you chose to stay in a niche that is heavily moderated I cant run your business for you and tell you not too, but plenty of people are ordering for other niches not so heavily moderated and are ranking just fine.
I find it highly interesting that HungryIM seems to be willing to tell anyone and everyone I am stealing from him, but not contact me directly about the issue. Until he does, I only know 1 side of the story and thats the one my partner has told me. The whole issue is hungryIm wants to say his "strategy" was stolen. I do not know his "strategy" but from the looks of his prior posts on Wickedfire he was very active in BSTs and SAPE links in the months before and during SpamWow's initial release, which is why I brought it up. It doesn't look like he has a ranking strategy that worked, because if he did I highly doubt he would have wasted time on free reviews, unknown BSTs, and SAPE links if his "strategy" was working as he said. Also, what SpamWow was on day 1, is not what it is today. We dont use the free BSTs, other BSTs, or SAPE links, which he was interested in before and during SpamWow as his strategy.
Spam strategies at best last 2-3 months, sometimes 6. Each time spamwow was taken off the market it was overhauled personally by me and my partner by data we came up with ourselves and found in tools like ahrefs and the SERPs. I know 100% for a fact no xRumer is even used in current Spamwow to begin with and the linking strategy has changed at least 10 times since we opened. There is no way my strategy today looks anything like what could have been taken from another member.
Also, the MINI spamwow was 110% developed wholly by myself with my own tools and methods and link database and research. The revenue and methodology is not even shared with my partner at all actually. So to say SpamWow is a copy of someone else's method is just bunk to begin with since all this drama is really only over the reg. Spamwow I am partners with.
Id like to see some of these posts you claim other then then the one at GSA. Why can't I take credit for it? No one was publicly talking about Payday Loans in the UK and spam before my BST except in private. No one was talking methods or how to rank it or even how to achieve it. No one was doing anything public. I launch SpamWow, we outted a site of our own, we ranked, we ranked others, and the drama ensued here at WF. Then a month later UK Payday gets a buzz with Matt Cutts who we pretty much know reads this forum. We are ranking at some times 4 sites at once on the Payday Loan serp alone and making the whole SERP turn in on itself daily. To discredit I didnt have a hand in it would be, well, ignorant.
It's not a huge part of Spamwow because we didnt do 301's for people, we just helped them build links to them. However, we are now doing that for all reg. Spamwow offers now. You act like the 301 and tiering is just BS icing on the cake. Last time I checked, people were happy to get all the help they could ranking, which is why they buy a BST.
I dont doubt real money makers keep their head down, but should we discredit those that dont? Thats just foolish. Just because you live in a "limited" resource mentality and don't want things exposed that could hurt the niche your in, doesn't mean I live in that mentality or care what will hurt you and need to succumb to it.
This service has a known history of closing down, rebuilding itself with new research and methods, and re-releasing itself with a better/newer method WEEKS later. It's not I am running a non stop back to back BST taking peoples money left and right without results and then closing down when no more new orders come in. We actually close down even though people beg us to take their money and most times make people wait until we open back up when we have a new method working.
how I get my nut and make my money is of no concern to you, so if I want to out how others are ranking in payday loans while I rank in it myself with my partner and cash out on both sides of the coin, then thats what I do. At some point if I dont do it, someone else will and expose it and make all that spam money from clients. I might as well rake it in, rank myself and others, and cash out. Sorry your butt hurt about it and so are so many others. The truth is, most spam niches change who is 1-10 every couple days, so there is enough room for me to make my own sites and rank them while taking other peoples money and ranking them as well. Also, you assume I self sabotage myself by ranking other "Payday Loan" clients and thus losing rankings to my clients where I could making that money myself. Wrong. Lots of our clients are in niches I would never be in myself and didnt know about and are in other countries I wouldn't have time to rank in, so whats the loss if I serve them?
I have no reason to explain to you or anyone else anything that happened, who I am partners with, and what method/structure we use. The complainer in all of this hasn't even had the bollocks himself to contact me about his side of the story and assumes I stole from him. Until then, I dont owe you shit as you are not even a customer of mine.
Until I get a full account of the complainers whole story, I cant give anyone else any information respectfully.
All this boils down to 1 thing, do you wanna rank and cash out on a churn and burn strategy, or do you wanna sit on the sidelines and watch the money pass you by?
SpamWow is the only BST on this forum that has openly and publicly outed its own site in one of the harder niches for most SEO's, Payday Loans. It has also ranked others in similar niches like Gambling, Weight Loss, and Insurance. NO OTHER BST's is even proving they can rank in the same niches and NO OTHER BST had the balls to out one of their own sites.
Thats why you buy a BST, thats why you churn and burn. Everything else is, well, bullshit.
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Regarding the 301 part, I'm not in the loop of all the other stuff being brought up;
Currently on Google.co.uk search term "payday loans", #8 is a 301 redirect:
Payday Loans - Cash in Your Account in 15 Minutes -> Payday Loans - Cash in Your Account in 15 Minutes
It'll probably be manually removed within 24-48 hours...
I'm not sure of what all that means regarding this UK payday loan scandal/situation, or if it even has a part in this conversation.
It's an old site, a few can work here and there but it's the exception not the rule, otherwise you'd see loads of them coming up. Most of the big players still have tons of old domains to test with and it didn't work for them.
Regarding this: " It doesn't look like he has a ranking strategy that worked, because if he did I highly doubt he would have wasted time on free reviews, unknown BSTs, and SAPE links if his "strategy" was working as he said."
He might have tested a few of these but I can tell you underneath he had probably one of the most sophisticated systems out there. Someone even outed his sites here before this BST came out as one of the best examples of spamming they had seen due to taking up at times all of the 10 spots of the top 10 for a variety of main keywords.
Any when mituozo says the payday loan niche he doesn't just mean the actual kws payday loans and payday loans online, we're all talking about the entire range of related kws too. A few of us have bots with them hardcoded and were ranking every since related phrase. The filter is working across all of them now.
"Sure, but even you admit an odd parasite will jump to top 10, what is powering that jump? Unicorn links? Also #8 right now is a 301 redirect in the niche as well so I guess 301 and spam is still working then. "
But only with aged 301s and even then hardly working for 99% of them. So yes there is spam involved but without a large collection of old 301s it won't work. Point is someone new trying to rank seeing this service won't get anywhere. I have actually seen one site in the US that might be yours but again it's an older existing domain, not something anyone else would be able to recreate. The fact that there's only one example here and there shows that for the most part it's an absolute gamble to be able to rank in this niche now.
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Maybe... or maybe the UK spam cartel is attempting to throw everyone off... If all your "big players" are ranking like you say, why would YOU take the time to detail what is actually working to "everyone else"? This whole thing doesn't make sense...
If I saw a method that wasn't working and people were targeting my niche(like payday loans by your group) with it, I sure as hell wouldn't say anything and I would just keep doing what is working... The only time I would come in is if they were nearly right and I wanted to throw them off...
But that's not even what's being discussed now - Now it's about how Spamwow came to exist.
If I saw a method that wasn't working and people were targeting my niche(like payday loans by your group) with it, I sure as hell wouldn't say anything and I would just keep doing what is working... The only time I would come in is if they were nearly right and I wanted to throw them off...
But that's not even what's being discussed now - Now it's about how Spamwow came to exist.
Go back and read my post. I said nothing is working including the big players. That's the whole point. There's nothing to hide just check the serps lol.
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