Well you see I trust in democracy and the current electoral system. And the benefits of city centre protection via CCTV currently outweigh the possibility that someone might misuse the close to useless data found on them.
Presidential Debate Part II
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Well you see I trust in democracy and the current electoral system. And the benefits of city centre protection via CCTV currently outweigh the possibility that someone might misuse the close to useless data found on them.
I'm not sure about the states but such cameras aren't used for any such petty issues/crimes here.
ftfy.
Public safety is the aegis beneath which all modern enemies of liberty hide.
The world is a dangerous place, and that's the way it is, no amount of legislation will ever succeed in protecting you.
Those cameras didn't prevent your friend from being beaten, they only allowed the state to prosecute the attackers. Your pal still got his ass handed to him.
So explain to me again how these cameras promote public safety?
It's not about just this moment in time. Holy fuck. First you change how a criminal is caught...then you change the definition of a criminal.
Not doing anything wrong, nothing to worry about right? So let them set up all these surveillance programs. Let them enact Patriot Acts. Military Commissions act, NDAA, SOPA. Let them erase privacy and erode liberty, all under the guise of protecting us. I've got no problem with random thermal scans of my home, GPS trackers on my vehicles, indiscriminate audio surveillance. So on and so forth. All the while saying to ourselves "Hey, I'm not breaking any laws."
Sure, not yet. The potential for abuse is all you need to see. Government by it's very nature is immoral and violent, but you expect them to only use these powers altruistically? Delusional is an understatement for that line of thinking.
Forget it boys, he's far past sensible.
He actually uttered the words: "I trust in democracy and the current electoral system." Is there any possible way to get through that much denial and idiocy?
He actually uttered the words: "I trust in democracy and the current electoral system." Is there any possible way to get through that much denial and idiocy?
Did the gov't give him a souvenir video of the beating? If so, I guess that's one benefit. You can post it on Youtube and write something like, "Look, mates. Here's where I got beaten. I'm sure glad that camera was there."
It's sickening that people like you take the "If you're not doing anything wrong, what do you have to hide?" mentality.
Exactly.
If you want to give the government permission to spy on you, do so, but don't make that decision for everyone else - you have no right to do so.
It looks like Obama did win this one. But not by a very large margin, when he needed a KO punch. He's still ahead, but lost hard on the economy, where voters preferred Romney 2:1. It's all going to depend on whether voters prefer Obama because they like him, or will suck it up and vote for Romney because they want to fix the economy.
Imagine that. Who'd have ever guessed?
For those watching the MSM, I believe you're right. That's exactly the kind of script they'd be reading.
What is your point dude? Posting in every thread that we're all sheep and that you're an enlightened intellectual superior with the smugness of a second year liberal arts major can get really fucking annoying. Negged and ignored.
So you're saying that crime would be exactly the same level with or without CCTV? I doubt that. But even if that's so, convictions rates would be significantly lower without them. And call me crazy but I believe people who commit serious offenses should be punished for them.
I understand that the govt could turn out to be some kind of Bond villain but that argument is weak in this case. It's a simple case of Pro's vs. Cons. Pro's are clear to see, Cons: The slim chance some Corrupt govt. wants a load of CCTV images.
These issues aren't black and white (as much as people make them out to be.) A lot of you are preaching "Freedom = Good, Govt. = Evil." Which simply isn't always the case.
I'd take safety + convictions over fear any day.
*sigh*
It's hardly a referendum issue.