I just pressed my 'turbo' button and sent this mothafucka into 266mhz HIGH GEAR. Running OS2 Warp. FTW
PC VS MAC
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My first real computer, if you don't count my old Commodore 64, was a Mac 8500 PPC, 120mhz, with 32mb of ram.
I spent nearly $5k on the thing in 1995. I then spent another $1200 or so on upping the processor to 240mhz, another $1600 ($400 each!) on 4 x 64mb dimms of memory, another $350 on a 32mb video card, I put in a USB card, an internal/external SCSI card, additional hard drives, got a zip drive, and Agfa scanner, etc. etc. etc.
What a fucking money pit.
I enjoy building and tweaking PCs and have built several PCs since then and will continue to do so. It's a misconception that you need to have a Mac to do design work or that there aren't any "real" design studios using anything but Macs. I've worked in several that were PC only. There isn't anything that I can't do on the PC that I need a Mac for.
That being said, I think Macs look great and I would love to have a 17" MPB unibody for DJing.
I spent nearly $5k on the thing in 1995. I then spent another $1200 or so on upping the processor to 240mhz, another $1600 ($400 each!) on 4 x 64mb dimms of memory, another $350 on a 32mb video card, I put in a USB card, an internal/external SCSI card, additional hard drives, got a zip drive, and Agfa scanner, etc. etc. etc.
What a fucking money pit.
I enjoy building and tweaking PCs and have built several PCs since then and will continue to do so. It's a misconception that you need to have a Mac to do design work or that there aren't any "real" design studios using anything but Macs. I've worked in several that were PC only. There isn't anything that I can't do on the PC that I need a Mac for.
That being said, I think Macs look great and I would love to have a 17" MPB unibody for DJing.
Probably because he didn't bother to complete the bootcamp installation. First you install windows, then you pop in the leopard DVD to install the drivers for windows on apple hardware. On a macbook, using only the track pad, you hold down ctrl then click to do a right click as it tells you in the popup installation instructions after installing the bootcamp drivers.
Course once you attach an external mouse, its no different than a PC. While the track pad normally has gestures, only two finger scroll got added to the drivers (as of Bootcamp 2.0), so you couldn't do a two-finger tap to do secondary click like you could on the OSX side.
Most of what I need in windows can easily be handled by VmWare Fusion, which also means full trackpad gesture support in windows.
No Jaz drives? No 5" Tape drives?
My first was a 486/25mhz with no math co-processor, 2mb ram and an 85mb hdd, it was what we could afford in the early 90s.
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[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JixbzFjv_cU]YouTube - Mac vs PC Parody: The Unspoken Message[/ame]
I'm surprised there aren't more people out there running OSX on their IBM-Clone (Isn't that the real definition of what we're referencing to for PCs?)
Anyways, I have yet to see any reason for having a mac outside of OSX which is nice , but when you can have it......for free on a IBMpc, as well as Linux (Which to me is the best , but not user friendly , so OSX would be the more user friendly version of Linux).
I just built a desktop for around $1600 that Can run circles around a mac pro @ $2499 , and would be only slightly worse on thoroughput of their dual 2.26ghz quad-core Xeon (however memory capacity & ease of expansion kill it).
Anyways, I have yet to see any reason for having a mac outside of OSX which is nice , but when you can have it......for free on a IBMpc, as well as Linux (Which to me is the best , but not user friendly , so OSX would be the more user friendly version of Linux).
I just built a desktop for around $1600 that Can run circles around a mac pro @ $2499 , and would be only slightly worse on thoroughput of their dual 2.26ghz quad-core Xeon (however memory capacity & ease of expansion kill it).
They're all personal computers in my opinion, then when most people say PC they're usually talking bout a windows-powered system. And far as OSX on "Non-Apple Branded Products", they basically separated themselves as 'Hackintoshes'.
OSX was definitely the major decision factor when getting my mac, and with the intel chip I didn't have to necessarily double up on computers just to use something in windows, or linux, etc. To a non-technical person (ie: one who doesn't build their own machines, or know how to replace a mother board and power supply, let alone understand the difference between 533mhz and 800mhz FSB), Macs have the appeal of being dummy proof especially when it comes to upgrading certain machines, for example changing out the harddrive and ram on a macbook is dead easy compared to most alternatives, and for those using a Mac Pro desktop thats an extremely easy tool-less design. (I re-iterate, to those who aren't computer builders).
Also most hardware support is built in, a lot of the media stuff you'd have to pay extra for comes free via iLife, and iWork is a lot cheaper than M$ Office. So essentially you start off more expensive on the hardware, but you get more on the software side out of the box, hardware is essentially close to the same to comparable priced windows-driven machines, you mainly notice the lack of an extral 60gb of harddrive or extra ram, or lack of a gazillion expansion slots and USB ports. And if you had to upgrade the OS, its still 130$ as opposed to 300$+ for the equivalent windows system.
That's the thing though, you 'built' it... can you say the same of most people walking around on the street? I've built my own computer since after I owned a manufacture built one when I was 12, I was quite heavy into the building, moding, tweaking, getting all that performance out until bout 4 years ago, when I just really didn't have the time for that, I just want to fire it up and work. I been using OSX 10.5 since I bought this macbook in early 2008, and I'll agree though, strictly looking at machine specs number for number and not taking into account the OS, it did seem about 200-300$ more expensive than an equivalent windows (Home Edition of XP or Vista) driven laptop with a 60 day trial of norton antivirus, and fake MS Office icon on the desktop.
I'm a gamer, a developer, a writer, and a gamer. Aside from iPhone development with emulator, there is no functionality I can't get in Windows. Every app I want to run, I can run it.
All the games, all the development stuff, all the design stuff. If I wanted to emulate any OSX functionality, there's a Windows app that'll do it. I can even make Windows look almost exactly like OSX if I wanted.
Mac fans talk about compatibility and viruses and crashes. That stuff is all related to the biggest difference between Mac OSs and Windows OSs: hardware lock-in vs. generic third party manufacturer devices and drivers.
Macs are beautiful. The OS is great. Windows by default is ugly and clunky. I prefer access to the majority of software vs. the minority. I prefer functionality over form. But, I've customized my theme to make it pleasing to me, so I get good looks too, so it's a win-win for me.
All the games, all the development stuff, all the design stuff. If I wanted to emulate any OSX functionality, there's a Windows app that'll do it. I can even make Windows look almost exactly like OSX if I wanted.
Mac fans talk about compatibility and viruses and crashes. That stuff is all related to the biggest difference between Mac OSs and Windows OSs: hardware lock-in vs. generic third party manufacturer devices and drivers.
Macs are beautiful. The OS is great. Windows by default is ugly and clunky. I prefer access to the majority of software vs. the minority. I prefer functionality over form. But, I've customized my theme to make it pleasing to me, so I get good looks too, so it's a win-win for me.
For years I've tried themeing engines, windows managers/skinners, hacks, mods etc. I've found them to simply slow shit down and often crash.
On the windows side... I simply use Windows XP SP3, I have optimize for best performance on, which makes windows look like the classic 2000 pro, and I prefer it that way, everything else is pretty much bull shit and eye candy. And my desktop background is a Neutral 18% grey.
On OSX, I got animations turned off, I Got my dock in 2D mode instead of 10.5/10.6 usual 3d mode, and a number of other things I'd consider a waste of time. Its more under the hood for me.
But you know what... it boils down to one very simple thing: Personal Preference. It would be exactly like me telling someone they're stupid for buying a Pentax camera instead of a Canon, apparently everyone is so damn defensive about their purchase because they honestly believe there's only really one right choice and hate being told they wasted their money on the wrong choice when that is simply not the case.
Winnar.
As for me...i prefer mac...it's quite surprising that such a high percentage of users on here are mac users when mac only makes up 5% of the computer market.
I would say in this type of market and this group in particular you're going to have a high diversity to not just OSX and Windows, but flavors of *nix too, where as if you look at DP, they would more closely represent your usual mainstream public in terms of diversity. I guess creative minds tend to explore more options for their work platform.
I've never found the extra eye-candy on windows to slow down my system. On vista, the so called eye-candy is automatically disabled whenever you maximize a window, so the apparent performance issues never really become one.
Just to add to my comment about recently moving to a Mac from a windows-rage: I was running a fully customised, scratch built, OC'd, Windows Vista 64bit rig. Spec-wise it was pretty impressive and I'm not a noob when it comes to these things, I can always figure how to fix my computer eventually.
What finally got to me though was the hassle of running it and fixing it when something went wrong. The weekend I switched, something fucked up and I couldn't even boot the thing from the Vista DVD. In terms of time, stress and lost opportunity (as I was a critical juncture in a project) it was going to cost me more to fix than buying a new computer, be it Mac, PC or Linux box.
I don't even care that I've just bought an iMac when they're about to release the latest model, as it's already paid for itself.
What finally got to me though was the hassle of running it and fixing it when something went wrong. The weekend I switched, something fucked up and I couldn't even boot the thing from the Vista DVD. In terms of time, stress and lost opportunity (as I was a critical juncture in a project) it was going to cost me more to fix than buying a new computer, be it Mac, PC or Linux box.
I don't even care that I've just bought an iMac when they're about to release the latest model, as it's already paid for itself.
I use a mac for one simple reason: reliable.
If I am working I want to work, not having to update drivers, install software fixes, remove viruses, BSOD, etc, etc....
on the PC, half the time is spent fixing shit..on the MAC you spend the time actually getting shit done.
My office:
If I am working I want to work, not having to update drivers, install software fixes, remove viruses, BSOD, etc, etc....
on the PC, half the time is spent fixing shit..on the MAC you spend the time actually getting shit done.
My office:
