Martin Grunin - Facebook Ads Fraud - Bank Fraud - mgrunin

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Facebook has already damaged Martin Grunin's business relationships, have caused him financial hardship, and a loss of a 9 year relationship with his girlfriend due to the negative light in the media.

I believe the law of inverse relationships applies here.

It wasn't the media attention which caused cupid's arrow to seek elsewhere.

I believe it is due to the law of inverse relationships.

First you lose the money, then you lose the power, then the skank runs off with another.


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I kind of feel bad for the kid -- not that he didn't have the judgment coming, but fuck, to have your world flipped upside down like that is pretty shitty.
 
Well, this one prompted an honest answer out of him at least.

Unfortunately, not once did he deny impersonating other companies to open lines of credit with Facebook. He tried deflecting the blame, but was man enough not to name anyone in particular, which is good of him. So he basically just tried to blame Facebook for not doing enough investigative work.

Hmm.... probably no sympathy coming from Alsup.
 
Well people called the girlfriend thing early on. Why? Because people know most women are extremely disloyal if you had power/money then lose it. All you need to do is look at the dynamic flow of the more attractive women from weaker/poorer countries to stronger/richer ones.

History has shown that this is always true, whether it's French chicks willingly fucking nazi invaders the day after they invade or mass influx of Asian woman marrying North Americans or Russian 'brides' going to North America after 1991. It's kind of sick to tell you the truth. Men instinctively want to provide for women and I guess women instinctively want to take from a man. If there's nothing to take, and they still have options because they're attractive, then later. Most women are also repulsed by weakness in a man, whereas men find it endearing in a woman.

If you're thinking of getting married you should put your woman through some financial stresses first to see if she sticks around. Become a pariah for a few months. Not every attractive woman is disloyal in bad times probably just most.
 
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Well people called the girlfriend thing early on. Why? Because people know most women are extremely disloyal if you had power/money then lose it. All you need to do is look at the dynamic flow of the more attractive women from weaker/poorer countries to stronger/richer ones.

History has shown that this is always true, whether it's French chicks willingly fucking nazi invaders the day after they invade or mass influx of Asian woman marrying North Americans or Russian 'brides' going to North America after 1991. It's kind of sick to tell you the truth. Men instinctively want to provide for women and I guess women instinctively want to take from a man. If there's nothing to take, and they still have options because they're attractive, then later. Most women are also repulsed by weakness in a man, whereas men find it endearing in a woman.

If you're thinking of getting married you should put your woman through some financial stresses first to see if she sticks around. Become a pariah for a few months. Not every attractive woman is disloyal in bad times probably just most.


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Facebook has already damaged Martin Grunin's business relationships, have caused him financial hardship, and a loss of a 9 year relationship with his girlfriend due to the negative light in the media.

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[–]mgrunin -4 points 2 months ago

Let me give you some insight from the opposite side.
I'm a man, and I also fucked up in my last relationship. I was together with the girl for 9 years, a wonderful person.
Eight years into the relationship, I made a few mistakes. When she had to travel to see her family in a different state, I decided to "live" it up a bit. Keep in mind that I am almost 23 years old.
Well I ended up going to the clubs nearby, dancing with multiple girls and having a good bit of fun. I never told her about any of it. To add to it, couple days later I had a trip planned to Atlantic City, I was supposed to take my college friends with me, but they dropped out last moment. I ended up taking a female friend with me that had feelings towards me, and someone that my girlfriend despised due to this. Again, I lied to my GF and told her I went with my friends.
Well the day she comes back from her trip, we do our thing and I fall asleep. When I wake up from my nap, I notice she is staring daggers at me and is holding my phone in her hands. Now, here is where I went horribly wrong. I had a skype group with a bunch of my college friends, were we spoke about the club, and about Atlantic City. Now keep in mind, in such conversations, guys will say the stupidest shit possible, and I'm not immune to that as well. So this was the absolute worse way for her to find out. Anyhow, I got up, washed my face and spent a few minutes in the bathroom trying to explain myself. I came out, admitted to everything that I did, made it clear to her that I did not make out with anyone and didn't have sex with anyone at all. (This was the god honest truth).
Well after a few days things seemed to have calmed down. I did give her access to everything of mine just like your husband suggested. She had GPS on my phone, can see my texts/pics at any time, she had access to my bank accounts, credit card statements, skype and email. Everything. I was fine with this, I fucked up and I knew I had to earn her trust.
Three months later she heads out to a trip again. What do I do? Well I am out with a friend getting some food when he mentions a strip club joint that opened up. What do I fucking do? I agree to go. To make matters worse, I got somewhere between 25-30 dances from the same girl. But nothing more, just the dance. Well a week after my GF comes back from vacation, she goes through my CC statements, and sees a $1.2k charge (lap dances + drinks) to some entertainment company. Googles the address, and it resolves to a strip club. Bam, I fucked up again.
Again we argue, and again I realize how fucking stupid and inconsiderate I am. I make all then promises that I could make that I will never do this again.
We continue to work through the issues and I am as clean as a whistle for the next seven months. Every few weeks we would revisit those past mistakes I did, and I would have to comfort her again so things could be fine. Well, at the end of the 8th month, she pulls the trigger and breaks up with me. We are now done.
I know I could be downvoted for being inconsiderate and an asshole to my girlfriend, and I know I was extremely selfish. The only silverlining I can take away is that I never did kiss anyone else, inappropriately touched or had sex with anyone else. I did stay loyal to her in that respect, but I know I violated her trust badly.
She tried to work through it, she had full access to all my communications and location but that never gave her the right peace of mind. I honestly did change for the better, and swore to myself that I will never hurt her in such a way anymore. But that didn't matter at that point, trust was everything to her.
Keep this in mind when you make your decision. Your husband violated your trust even moreso than I did with my GF, your husband very likely had sex with escorts on several occasions. If you feel you are able to forgive him, just know that it can keep eating at you for much longer, the same way it ate at my girlfriend.
Lastly, I fucking love my ex-girlfriend. The clubs, AC, the strippers was not worth the love I received from my girlfriend. I regret it all, and I hope that your husband realizes that right this moment and changes his ways for you.
 
Well people called the girlfriend thing early on. Why? Because people know most women are extremely disloyal if you had power/money then lose it. All you need to do is look at the dynamic flow of the more attractive women from weaker/poorer countries to stronger/richer ones.

History has shown that this is always true, whether it's French chicks willingly fucking nazi invaders the day after they invade or mass influx of Asian woman marrying North Americans or Russian 'brides' going to North America after 1991. It's kind of sick to tell you the truth. Men instinctively want to provide for women and I guess women instinctively want to take from a man. If there's nothing to take, and they still have options because they're attractive, then later. Most women are also repulsed by weakness in a man, whereas men find it endearing in a woman.

If you're thinking of getting married you should put your woman through some financial stresses first to see if she sticks around. Become a pariah for a few months. Not every attractive woman is disloyal in bad times probably just most.

I just want to play devil's advocate here. We don't really know this girl or anything about her. How are we to just take her as an example and draw her up as a gold digger?

Who knows, maybe this is the first time she was hearing about Grunin's illegal activity? Maybe he was stressed out from the case and being straight up horrible?

It's one thing to make fun of Grunin, but to involve people close to him is not something a lot of people would side with.
 
I just want to play devil's advocate here. We don't really know this girl or anything about her. How are we to just take her as an example and draw her up as a gold digger?

Who knows, maybe this is the first time she was hearing about Grunin's illegal activity? Maybe he was stressed out from the case and being straight up horrible?

It's one thing to make fun of Grunin, but to involve people close to him is not something a lot of people would side with.

True enough. Nobody knows the exact truth. But Grunin is the one who said he lost his gf of 9 yrs because of the Facebook case and financial distress in court documents. So it's his fault if any misunderstandings have occurred.

If on the other hand his reddit post is true, then also consider this.. what gold digger has ever said "I'm leaving you cause you no longer have sufficient money and status anymore."? Of course they dont' say that, it's called coming up with an excuse. I can only guess that a little innocent trip to a strip bar would be tolerated if he had 20 mill in his account and high social status. All the gf's I've ever had don't mind me going to a strip joint.. it's not like i'm getting laid, or even kissed there. It's not much different than looking at porn.
 
True enough. Nobody knows the exact truth. But Grunin is the one who said he lost his gf of 9 yrs because of the Facebook case and financial distress in court documents. So it's his fault if any misunderstandings have occurred.

If on the other hand his reddit post is true, then also consider this.. what gold digger has ever said "I'm leaving you cause you no longer have sufficient money and status anymore."? Of course they dont' say that, it's called coming up with an excuse. I can only guess that a little innocent trip to a strip bar would be tolerated if he had 20 mill in his account and high social status. All the gf's I've ever had don't mind me going to a strip joint.. it's not like i'm getting laid, or even kissed there. It's not much different than looking at porn.

I myself have been lured in by women bashing/hating where I would try and find the scenarios to fit my logic.

I didn't even read that Reddit thing Grunin posted until after I wrote that response too.

And this is not just me defending women too, but overall just not dragging anyone who didn't bother/hurt anyone into this beat-down.

edit: To defend the strip joint idea too, where who would be bothered by that. They were together 9 years and I think he's my age/around my age (23, so they started dating very young). Neither of them most likely had to deal with the other partner having fun with a stripper. Also, the dynamic could have changed a lot - he went from no money at the start of the relationship to having enough money to party/relax + legally drink. Again, not like I know these people.
 
So Grunin's defense is that he isn't responsible for the unpaid balances on the Facebook adverting accounts (which he created by defrauding Facebook) because he sold them off, and the buyers ran up the charges.

Honestly it seems like an interesting defense. I'm sure it was against Facebook's T&C's to sell accounts, but he claims he wasn't asked to agree to any T&C's.

Trying to think of a physical analogy..

If I steal a car and then sell it to someone else, and that someone kills a pedestrian, the buyer is going to be responsible for damages. Not me who stole the car.

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So Grunin's defense is that he isn't responsible for the unpaid balances on the Facebook adverting accounts (which he created by defrauding Facebook) because he sold them off, and the buyers ran up the charges.

Honestly it seems like an interesting defense. I'm sure it was against Facebook's T&C's to sell accounts, but he claims he wasn't asked to agree to any T&C's.

Trying to think of a physical analogy..

If I steal a car and then sell it to someone else, and that someone kills a pedestrian, the buyer is going to be responsible for damages. Not me who stole the car.

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Its more like if you stole a car, sold it to someone else and they crashed it, you who stole the damn car are still going to be responsible for the damages.
 
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