Martin Grunin - Facebook Ads Fraud - Bank Fraud - mgrunin

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Thank you.

Pretty much everyone here is a cunt. Scamming a million old ladies out of $10 is just as morally reprehensible, if not more so (but their relative fuckedupedness is unimportant), then scamming a single wealthy entity out of the sum. Log into any affiliate network and 90% of the offers are trash built on deception or lies or fraud/rebilling or false promises.
The entire North American economy is built on the false promises created by the marketing departments of ALL products/services.

Want to live an active and fun life? Drink Coke.
Want to guarantee a loving family dinner? Make Hamburger Helper.
Want to show her you really care? Buy a diamond.
Want to save the planet? Buy a Prius.
Want to be the best athlete ever? Buy Nike.

Beyond those simple promises, marketing oversells the quality of shitty movies, the quality of shitty beer, the quality of shitty fast food. It convinces people that "new" Tide really works better than the old Tide. It tricks women into buying overly priced skin and hair products. It cons loser men into thinking a fast car, an amazing watch and a nice suit is all it takes to be a hit with the ladies. It makes people overpay 20x for a $1 piece of chamois (the ShamWow), a $1 piece of flannel (the Snuggie), and just about every other crappy product sold on infomercials. It even makes people think they can get that lease on a new BMW for *just* $300/month.

Deception is the cornerstone of ALL marketing - online AND offline.

With that said, I disagree with your statement that marketing is just as morally reprehensible as fraud/theft.

With marketing, consumers have the ability to exercise "buyer beware". They have the ability to research and/or think about the claims being made in the advertising and use rational thought to determine if the claims are bullshit or not. On top of that, just about everyone realizes that advertising IS pure bullshit: exaggerated promises and claims. Deep down, a McDonalds customer knows that a Big Mac isn't the best fucking burger they'll ever have, even though the commercials sure as hell make it look like it is.

With fraud/theft though, the ability for the consumer/victim to exercise this same level of "buyer beware" caution has been eliminated by the scammer through forged and/or fake documentation. Additionally, since the fraud/theft is typically an established financial transaction, the victim doesn't have the expectation they'll be scammed.

For deception to be morally reprehensible, it has to be based on the assumption that all of those being deceived are completely ignorant of the deception.

Marketing doesn't fall under that category. It's definitely questionable, and I certainly don't consider myself a saint by any means, but marketing is absolutely not on the same level as the claims being made in the lawsuit.

(yeah this is a bit in the tl;dr range, but I take what I do quite seriously and have to speak up when I'm called a scamming cunt :))
 



Some marketing has a purpose. For example bringing awareness of a new product or service. Sure.

Rebill offers rely on some % of the consumer not seeing the terms, never actually consciously consenting to being billed, and therefore morally the charges are unauthorized by every definition but the legal one. They are theft. You are withdrawing money from people without their real consent. Then you give out 15% refunds by phone to keep chargebacks under 2%.

Please don't bullshit me about how rebilling is a viable payment model, etc... Your acai berry supplement isn't a fucking Netflix subscription.
 
I take what I do quite seriously and have to speak up when I'm called a scamming cunt :)

You appear to think there's some moral difference between all the bullshit rebill offers that come up for "MaxBounty" on OfferVault (which you profit handsomely from) and what Martin did to Facebook and the third parties whose identities he stole. So let me put this in terms you can understand...

By allowing me to sign up for a Facebook Ads account you are agreeing to a Trial of me as an advertiser. If you do not read this hidden text within 30 days of me using your service and call my dad's house to cancel my account, you will be billed $340,000...

Steven, I don't know you. I'm sure you're a real nice guy in person. But you do indirectly make a lot of money from scamming people.
 
You appear to think there's some moral difference between all the bullshit rebill offers that come up for "MaxBounty" on OfferVault (which you profit handsomely from) and what Martin did to Facebook and the third parties whose identities he stole. So let me put this in terms you can understand...

By allowing me to sign up for a Facebook Ads account you are agreeing to a Trial of me as an advertiser. If you do not read this hidden text within 30 days of me using your service and call my dad's house to cancel my account, you will be billed $340,000...

Steven, I don't know you. I'm sure you're a real nice guy in person. But you do indirectly make a lot of money from scamming people.

Did you just imply $340,000 is the equivalent of $90?
 
The entire North American economy is built on the false promises created by the marketing departments of ALL products/services.

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Deception is the cornerstone of ALL marketing - online AND offline.

Pff. ALL?

Not all. Maybe most. But not all.

That's bullshit thinking. Useful probably, but not true for a fucking second.
 
It's a 50/50 between him and boatburner right now who fucks the dog first... I don't know which way to jump, honestly.

Put me down for $50 on nickster with 5 points.

I think if Galacon is betting on ME going full retard it's time to stop posting.

But before I go I'd like to leave you with a parting gift that someone just sent me.

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In before "It was a joke", "it's not the same thing", "I wasn't cloaking"......

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I think if Galacon is betting on ME going full retard it's time to stop posting.

But before I go I'd like to leave you with a parting gift that someone just sent me.

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In before "It was a joke", "it's not the same thing", "I wasn't cloaking"......

Hmmm, scammersreunited.com

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I am mad because you basement dwelling sadfuck are playing with a young guys life for nothing more than lols. How is this any of your business? What else is posting that going to achieve other than getting yourself a lovely little "look what I have" hard-on .

Karma is a bitch tamer and he is going to love your asshole you snitch-fuck!

hey man, not sure why you're calling jsphfll a basement sadfuck since he actually lives in a pretty nice new building. Just sayin.

Second, if you're stupid enough to post admissions of guilt, or any kind of comment about the whole issue on a public chatroom, unless its something like "Yep, I heard about it too", then you are setting yourself up for issues.

And yes, as jsphfll said, kick him out of any groups and forums and better hope he doesn't keep any logs, because a LOT of people are shitting bricks right now.
 
Some marketing has a purpose. For example bringing awareness of a new product or service. Sure..

Japanese Govt makes great use of marketing in their awareness campaigns. The one they ran ages ago in regards to increased risk of stroke due to salted fish goods was a pretty big success.

Not trying to start a debate over preventative v. Reactionary medicine but marketing saves lives bros
 
I'm sure you're a real nice guy in person. But you do indirectly make a lot of money from scamming people.

Not to defend rebills (or Grunin), but what exactly is it that you do for a living? I've always had you pegged as one of the legit earners on here and this is an IM forum, so I'm curious to know what flawlessly marketed niche it is that you earn all your money in.
 
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