Luke's 7k Post: A baller's bitcoin biz plan

This is just a bad idea.

I go to a little Mexican place once a week or so, sit at the bar, have chips, salsa, and a couple drinks, stay for an hour or two, and chat with the staff - it's mostly family and friends that work there, a number of which are clearly illegals.

Anyway, the girl that works the bar most of the time and her husband send $500 a week to her mom back in Parral, Mexico.

They do it via Visa prepaid debit card(s?). They fill it up, costs them $4.95 at Walmart (I'm guessing that's where they do it), and her mother can withdraw it at any ATM. It sounds like they send her a new card every now and then, maybe a couple times a year? and then she just uses it over and over.

From the way she talks about it, this is pretty common.

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To me it seems there are currently two ways to bank from the existence of bitcoin;

1) Take a fat wad and do some arbitrage. This could easily go bad, but if that's what you want to do - do it before it gets regulated and stabilizes. The huge swings and multiple exchanges could make for some very large, very fast gains (or losses...)

2) Rob an exchange or wallet.

There are definitely other ways, but not this.
 
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Pot meet kettle.

Schiff's a smart guy and all, but c'mon!

"People who believe in intrinsic value are the creationists of economics." -Cameron Ruggles
Schiff uses "intrinsic" sloppily, but his point is valid. A bitcoin has value only as a Bitcoin. Hard money has other uses than money.
 
Why are you trying to shame me bro?
As a fellow shaved monkey, you're a nice enough guy.

That said, you don't help the "movement" by parroting what other people say without performing any critical analysis of your own.

Molyneux is a thought leader, but he's almost always wrong on economic matters. If you understood the topic, you'd have picked up on that. That you've been a libertarian this long and you don't understand the topic ...
 
As a fellow shaved monkey, you're a nice enough guy.

That said, you don't help the "movement" by parroting what other people say without performing any critical analysis of your own.

Molyneux is a thought leader, but he's almost always wrong on economic matters. If you understood the topic, you'd have picked up on that. That you've been a libertarian this long and you don't understand the topic ...

Be nice please.
 
As a fellow shaved monkey, you're a nice enough guy.

That said, you don't help the "movement" by parroting what other people say without performing any critical analysis of your own.

Molyneux is a thought leader, but he's almost always wrong on economic matters. If you understood the topic, you'd have picked up on that. That you've been a libertarian this long and you don't understand the topic ...

You're inferring a bit too much from my post. I posted the video along with, "thought some would be interested in seeing what molyneux thinks, uploaded today."

How does that mean I explicitly endorse his position on the matter? I don't, and honestly haven't delve deep enough into it all to yet have a concrete opinion.
 
They do it via Visa prepaid debit card(s?). They fill it up, costs them $4.95 at Walmart (I'm guessing that's where they do it), and her mother can withdraw it at any ATM. It sounds like they send her a new card every now and then, maybe a couple times a year? and then she just uses it over and over.

From the way she talks about it, this is pretty common.
THANK YOU.

I know a problem with my plan when I see one, and this, after alllll these posts on the thread, is finally an actual problem.

+Rep to Skyfire for being the first on this thread with something, -anything- constructive to add.

I do not feel this destroys the entire plan of course, simply because WU still exists. -But this most definitely needs to be researched, as it could seriously cut into profit margin.



To me it seems there are currently two ways to bank from the existence of bitcoin...
Buying a few and watching your clock do a few circles has been working quite well for me, with much less hassle. ;)



Pot meet kettle.
Puh-lease!

If you were a mod I'd ask you to go in and count the number of people on WF who have PMd me to ask if I'd sell them a bitcoin. It is literally many dozens of people all waving cash at me... I could be my own bitcoin exchange, no problem.

I don't do it because I don't want those good peoples' shitty fiat.

Schiff is just a gold salesman, plain and simple. He's got a lot of Austrian insight, but at the end of the day all he wants is to take people's fiat from them. (Even when he's screaming about how worthless fiat is.)

Call me an idealist, all you want; but at least I'm in it to help.


Schiff uses "intrinsic" sloppily, but his point is valid. A bitcoin has value only as a Bitcoin. Hard money has other uses than money.
Incorrect.

A bitcoin has value in many different ways. As I've tried explaining before, there are more uses for bitcoin than there are for gold, and bitcoin (or at least a cryptocurrency) is the ONLY thing that can be used in some of those roles.

Plus, as that video above partially explains, gold is not as good as bitcoin at doing ANY of the things that made gold money.

Gold makes a pretty shitty money now that we have bitcoin. I can't wait until kids are pointing at gold coins in museums, wondering why people ever used it that way.
 
Be nice please.
Ain't nobody got time for that.

If you were a mod I'd ask you to go in and count the number of people on WF who have PMd me to ask if I'd sell them a bitcoin. It is literally many dozens of people all waving cash at me... I could be my own bitcoin exchange, no problem.

I don't do it because I don't want those good peoples' shitty fiat.
Doesn't matter, you've (assuming you're not full of shit) explicitly tied your future wealth to the value of Bitcoin, and you're constantly promoting Bitcoin, which means YOU have a conflict of interest, which means YOU are a fucking hypocrite calling Schiff the same, when he does exactly what you do.
 
Incorrect.

A bitcoin has value in many different ways. As I've tried explaining before, there are more uses for bitcoin than there are for gold, and bitcoin (or at least a cryptocurrency) is the ONLY thing that can be used in some of those roles.

Plus, as that video above partially explains, gold is not as good as bitcoin at doing ANY of the things that made gold money.

Gold makes a pretty shitty money now that we have bitcoin. I can't wait until kids are pointing at gold coins in museums, wondering why people ever used it that way.

Gold in a museum? lol

Gold is like 5 billion years old buddy. Has been used by humans as a way to store wealth for tens of thousands of years. Gold's purchasing power has constantly increased throughout history. What historical data do we have on bitcoins? We have nothing. It's a brand new thing. Sure it's promising, but you just can't compare it to gold.

Oh, and can you list some of the uses of bitcoin other than that of being a digital currency? I'm very curious about this one...
 
You're inferring a bit too much from my post. I posted the video along with, "thought some would be interested in seeing what molyneux thinks, uploaded today."
Why would anyone be interested in what Molyneux has to say? He's a dilettante like LukeP.

How does that mean I explicitly endorse his position on the matter? I don't, and honestly haven't delve deep enough into it all to yet have a concrete opinion.
You don't need to develop a concrete opinion on whether 2 + 2 = 4. It's empirical, testable, repeatable and logical.

Just like economics.

If you don't understand basic stuff about human interaction, markets, prices, exchange etc then what foundation do you have, beyond a clinging to morals for making any "libertarian" claims about anything?

Molyneux makes some very good arguments, but when it comes to matters of empiricism, he tends to assume domain knowledge he doesn't have, and retreats to strawmen and emotional statements because like LukeP, he's INCAPABLE of speaking in specifics.

Be better than that. I know you can be if you want to be.
 
Huge transaction: Probably some old miner, maybe even satoshi himself, seeing that his stash was getting a bit heavy and wanted to move it.

Bitcointalk is speculating about it here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=343228.0

I can't help but marvel at how effortless this transaction was... There wasn't even a fee on it! $0 in fees to move $154 Million bux... Anyone else know of a money that can do that?


Doesn't matter, you've (assuming you're not full of shit) explicitly tied your future wealth to the value of Bitcoin, and you're constantly promoting Bitcoin, which means YOU have a conflict of interest, which means YOU are a fucking hypocrite calling Schiff the same, when he does exactly what you do.
We may both be biased... But what's more important here is that his bias is a LIE that he likely knows he is misleading people with, while my bias is designed to help you numbnuts.

Whereas Schiff says "Buy FROM me," I say "Buy LIKE me." That's a world of difference in my book.

I lead by example, he leads into deception.



Gold in a museum? lol
I said gold coins. I probably should have said "all coins, including gold."

Gold's purchasing power has constantly increased throughout history.
Except... Since bitcoin. Via ZeroHedge:

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What historical data do we have on bitcoins? We have nothing. It's a brand new thing. Sure it's promising, but you just can't compare it to gold.
Since you don't have enough history to compare it with, you look at other factors.

What makes gold worth anything? Whatever your answer is; Bitcoin does it better. -And millions of people are starting to see that now.


Oh, and can you list some of the uses of bitcoin other than that of being a digital currency? I'm very curious about this one...
It's a very deep field, one that no one has explored very well yet publically.

Satoshi did not create money specifically; he created an impervious network of immortal data. No government can attack this network. It is a perfect record lying around for all of history to see, and that data cannot be altered by anyone.

Then of course it's available to everyone with electricity 27/7/365, free (or perhaps 1 satoshi in price) and effortless for anyone to add to. The moment you publish anything on it, this document is (within 1 minute) available to the entire world to see.

This makes the bitcoin protocol better than what we use now for a wide range of things that use any form of records, including all of law & business contracts.

The first things that will be replaced from this network (after money) will probably be private law contracts. -Private Mortgage Insurance can fully be moved on to the blockchain; there no need for those insurance companies & their fees at all anymore now. Why pay a notary public anymore when the blockchain will be an even better place to record & show the whole world your agreement?

Bitcoin and its' miners already make up a network far larger than all other computer networks on this planet put together. The computational power for this network is almost Six times now the size of all known supercomputers put together in their own network.

I mention that last part because it is pretty obvious which network and which protocol future businessmen will choose to 'host' their business contracts on. There is no alternative really, besides doing it the expensive, cave-man route offline.

Bitcoin as a network was named wrong. It should have been named something more like "Recordkeeping 2.0" or something similar... Of course the unit of currency could still be called a bitcoin, but the network was always intended for far larger things than that.


Lol; I was just giving credit to a facebook friend who'd spoken those words the night before... Didn't mean to make his quote compete with Schiff's bias. ;)
 
What makes gold worth anything? Whatever your answer is; Bitcoin does it better.

"with 1 billion phones manufactured each year, demand for gold from that industry alone adds up to 91 metric tons of gold -- $360 million worth. More will be accounted for by the 400 million desktops and laptops, and the more than 250 million TVs that will be manufactured in 2011 alone."

Six Reasons Businesses Can't Live Without Gold - DailyFinance

he created an impervious network of immortal data.

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The "network" exists virtually on top of physical devices that contain gold.