LPLockdown - If You Like Giving Your Pages Away

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esomark said:
Can I trust any mods?
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wow seriously? how can you trust ANYONE in this industry?...

as mbta said, IP grabbing on WF has been practiced by any big (and smart) affiliate for a LONG time. Nicky just went over the board with it by trying to make money off that list the wrong way.
 


barman said:
uber is like the kid that just finally snaps after all these years of taking abuse
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[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XWdCRdnmopg&feature=PlayList&p=EEA08C8EC2A8B698&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=37"]YouTube- Broadcast Yourself.[/ame]
 
johnny- said:
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LMAO!!! Nice one.

This seems like Bangkok Airport though.
 
To those uncomfortable about IPs being collected: use a proxy while visiting forums.

About LPLockdown

A significant percentage of the IPs collected from here are dynamic IPs. There is no "sophisticated algorithm" which can determine dynamic IPs with 100% accuracy. Reason: mainly, you only have the following data: browser details, IP/ISP details, time details. Those are NOT ENOUGH to make a determination which is 90-100% accurate.

Other problems: Nicky is popular here, so managed to collect a lot of IPs from WickedFire. However, the IPs are mostly from WickedFire only. DigitalPoint and WarriorForum have a lot of marketers ranging from stupid to somewhat smart. Nobody has managed to collect any significant amount of IPs from there so far (yes, I am going out on a limb and assuming this, but I believe I am right).

Now, the truly smart people use proxies, so their IPs are never gathered. You cannot stop them from stealing your landing pages. If the argument is that it is to prevent the stupid people from stealing, there are a lot of stupid people coming from WaFo and DP, and there is no way to prevent them.

So, the problem is, you have a lot of "stupid IPs" which have never been collected, and the smart ones whose IPs have been collected will know how to access the right landing pages by using different IPs.

Regarding the launch: I see similarities with the Tracking202 launch. When they launched, Wes was banned from WickedFire for keeping users' data. Nobody trusted it. Then they came with the self-hosted version, Prosper202. This is what made the product "acceptable" to many. (Just to be fair: Wes or whoever it was from the Tracking202 team was banned because he pitched the product here. Nicky never did that ever, it has been others talking about his product). LPLockdown has the same problem because the core product and the data is being stored on someone else's servers. Until it is self-hosted....

Last words: at least, he had the idea to create something like this, and he managed to finish the product, and release it. The posts piling up on to this thread will just be more free publicity for him. And of course, Jon will be happy - 14000+ views the last time I checked. And the guys who want to rant, get their chance to rant as well. Good for everyone.
 
Koschei said:
Surely, collecting IPs from Wickedfire members is totally legit.
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depends... certain eu countries treat ip addresses as personal properties now, along the line of passports and personal id's. even so, i don't believe anyone sued another person over publishing their ip address, so far...

the ip's being used for financial gain could suddenly provide a fully solid case though.

nl example; http://www.dutchdpa.nl/Pages/en_pb_20071211_privacy_legislation_internet.aspx
 
johnysc430 said:
Cakes,

I think a lot of guys are biting their tongue because they feel they'll get banned or you'll have some vendetta out for them when this blows over.

The truth is, if it was anyone else caught collecting IPs in this manner, we would have been immediately banned.
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There were a lot of other people collecting IPs in this manner. But really what it comes down to: If you had an image in your sig, the apache log file would have all the IPs a specialized system like this would have. We can't ban someone for hosting an image on a platform that supports logging.

I think I'd be correct in stating if you caught someone else doing what you did, you would have banned them and started a shit storm.

The fact is a lot of people think this was extremely shady, and really view you in a different light.
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Nicky's blog proudly proclaims him to be a "mostly reformed blackhat"...
At this point you didn't even apologize for being sneaky, you just say you wouldn't abuse your mod privileges, but you've abused a privilege on this forum.

If you're not held culpable by the upper management here, I'm going to view this forum a lot differently.
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So what would you propose we do?

-Ban people for posting images to places that have web server logs turned on(which we can't tell)?

-Ban people for examining those logs (which we can't tell)

-Ban people only when the system is setup explicitly to log(which we generally can't tell)

-Ban people who sell the data (of dynamic IP's?)

There's no real, consistent way to implement any rule similar to what you talk about.

My advice? You have a hosts file. Use it.
 
sgtryan said:
why are there 7 pages for this shit? no one cares.. there are easy ways to go around this (as majorbta pointed out) and the software isn't anything revolutionary and cakes/dupre/thuper bloggers have every right to use the data from browsing users.. get back to fucking work
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It is 9 now.... Thought this was the Super bowl weekend
 
seems like this is the new 'shooting the shit' now.

this deserves some more views:

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=et_MmlTxMXA"]YouTube- Broadcast Yourself.[/ame]
 
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