JP Grunin: From $10,000 to $100,000 in 6 months.

I do not agree with the current rating of this thread

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productionhead said:
Let's get a little philosophical here.

"You only live once, that's the way I see it. I'm not going to sit here living a mediocre lifestyle if I'm only going to be around once."


This isn't aimed at MGrunin directly, but to the whole #YOLO movement. If we only live once, then what — the corollary to that is we're dead forever. If death is eternal, why chase for scraps in life; because ultimately even the apex of accomplishment and success is nil compared to the infinity of never being again. Why strive?
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That is one depressing thought...

Gen 6:3
And the Lord said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.

I might not live forever here but I'll be cashing in on the promise for 120. In addition to my incredible life-span my accomplishments and success will serve millions and then some.

#YOLO
 
icestationzebra said:
What you're saying is upon reading publicly released information, you now know better than the market.

Apple sells record numbers of devices, oh great lets invest $20k. Stock price drops by nearly half...
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No I didn't say that.

I said the guy read company reports, but not all company reports are released to the public.

Some company reports are written up by private organizations such as Bloomberg, Thomson-Reuters, and niche securities firms.

The big boys, hedge fund managers and wall street brokerage firms do a pretty good job of covering companies with $2 billion in market cap and more.

But really, from the $200 million to $2 billion market cap, there is a ton of research and analysis that is produced that never gets read, or more accurately, doesn't get IMMEDIATELY so there is a period of latency where a diligent trader can move and make a proft.

But it's PAID research, not the shite you find for free on the internet.

Now if you guys think I'm full of shite about this, go check the prices on Bloomberg terminals and tell when anybody would pay that kind of money if markets were "perfect."
 
Come on now, give the kid a break. He's dealing with a lot right now. You know, like the $300k+ that facebook is suing him for and demanding a trial by jury. I'm sure everything here was on the up and up. We can't doubt a guy who decided to use blatant fraud to make a buck and not pay his advertising bills. Can we?

I don't know if anything this dude said is true or not, but I do hope he's been successful. I like seeing people 'make it'. But I'll never understand why people who claim to have made it can't pay their damn bills. Sort of calls everything else they say into question.

Google that shit. "Facebook vs Martin Grunin digital commons law". It's a hell of a read. But at least we have a better idea of the urgency behind turning 10k into 100k.

Good luck Martin, sounds like things are getting sticky.
 
^^^

This explains his car upgrades. He needs a really fast car for the getaway! Facebook been had!

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statelizard said:
Google that shit. "Facebook vs Martin Grunin digital commons law".
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This was just filed, like a day ago? It looks like somebody read that one comment in this thread and decided to file this.

It also looks like they got copies of a thread that was in a private forum somewhere? Or maybe it was just old or something.

Anyway, this thread is wayyyy off topic now.
 
Now defrauding Facebook isn't such a worse thing because Facebook is one of the biggest fraudsters but what makes grunin full of shit is how he markets himself on here.
 
r3p1v said:
This was just filed, like a day ago? It looks like somebody read that one comment in this thread and decided to file this.

It also looks like they got copies of a thread that was in a private forum somewhere? Or maybe it was just old or something.

Anyway, this thread is wayyyy off topic now.
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Probably was already in action. I doubt someone at FB would be reading this thread and use that to start a case. Although, I'm betting that Martin wishes that post wasn't in this thread now.

The fraud section of the file is pretty damning.
 
mituozo said:
Probably was already in action. I doubt someone at FB would be reading this thread and use that to start a case. Although, I'm betting that Martin wishes that post wasn't in this thread now.
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I'm sure they had some sort of file on him or something. But the amount they claim he owes them seems awfully close to the amount in that one comment. Maybe it's just a coincidence though, idk.

edit: looks like they are claiming it's all from unpaid advertising
 
r3p1v said:
I'm sure they had some sort of file on him or something. But the amount they claim he owes them seems awfully close to the amount in that one comment. Maybe it's just a coincidence though, idk.

edit: actually it looks like they have an example of where he owes them 40k and then the 300k just seems to come from nowhere? I haven't read the whole thing though, just skimming it.
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He impersonated real companies, and produced fraudulent bank statements to setup credit lines with Facebook. He then ran up $340k in adspend, and didn't pay Facebook.

On or about February 21, 2013, an individual using the alias “Colan Neilson”
contacted a Facebook sales representative by email and claimed that “Neilson’s” employer,
Imprezzio Marketing, was expanding into the Canadian market and needed ten new advertising
accounts and a line of credit.


-8- COMPLAINT AND DEMAND FOR JURY TRIAL

40. Upon information and belief, Grunin sent the email that was purportedly from
“Colan Neilson.”
41. On or about March 7, 2013, Facebook began receiving emails from “Felix Ward,”
the purported President of Imprezzio Marketing. Facebook’s sales representative requested that
“Ward” have one of his U.S. colleagues contact Facebook.
42. Upon information and belief, Grunin sent the emails that were purportedly from
“Felix Ward.”
43. Soon thereafter, the same Facebook representative received an email purportedly
originating from “Joy Hawkins,” the Search Engine Optimization Director of Imprezzio
Marketing, using a joy@imprezziomarketing.com email address. The email stated: “Felix
requested that I send this email to you. He will contact you in the next 15 minutes.”
44. Upon information and belief, the real Joy Hawkins did not send this email to
Facebook. Instead, Grunin either hijacked Hawkins’s email account to send the email or
“spoofed” the “from” line of his email to make it appear that it was from Hawkins.
45. When Facebook requested supporting documentation to establish the credit,
Grunin sent falsified bank statements that purported to show Imprezzio Marketing’s finances.
46. Relying on “Ward’s” and “Neilson’s” representations, the email from “Joy
Hawkins,” and the bank statements, Facebook provided accounts and a credit line billed to
Imprezzio Marketing. Grunin then used the account to run at least $300,000 worth of ads that
violated Facebook’s Terms.
47. When Facebook contacted Imprezzio Marketing about the ads and charges,
Imprezzio Marketing’s representatives denied that the new accounts belonged to them and stated
that no one named “Felix Ward” worked at Imprezzio Marketing and that the bank statements
were falsified.
48. To date, Facebook has not been paid for the ads it served for the unauthorized
“Imprezzio Marketing” accounts.
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It's a pretty serious suit, entirely ignoring all of the civil stuff in there about Grunin violating Facebook's terms.

The buying and selling of Facebook ad accounts is a comparatively minor part of it.
 
They're not only asking for the $340,000, they want him to give up all the profits he made too..

An order requiring Grunin to account for and disgorge all profits derived by​
Grunin and his agents, employees, or persons acting on his behalf or in concert with him from his​
unfair and unlawful conduct, as permitted by law.
 
icestationzebra said:
They're not only asking for the $340,000, they want him to give up all the profits he made too..

An order requiring Grunin to account for and disgorge all profits derived by​
Grunin and his agents, employees, or persons acting on his behalf or in concert with him from his​
unfair and unlawful conduct, as permitted by law.
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Plus damages, costs to Facebook for his fraudulent activity, etc..

I'm sure he hasn't blown any of that money on "trading", though.
 
mituozo said:
He impersonated real companies, and produced fraudulent bank statements to setup credit lines with Facebook. He then ran up $340k in adspend, and didn't pay Facebook.



It's a pretty serious suit, entirely ignoring all of the civil stuff in there about Grunin violating Facebook's terms.

The buying and selling of Facebook ad accounts is a comparatively minor part of it.
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Man thats really really serious shit. Grunin did a lot of hard work to upgrade from BMW to Audi. Its really nice to see him progress thus far.
 
trading seems like natural progression for a fraudster, making gainz
 
Wonder if the companies he misrepresented could also pile on? This could get really nasty.

Eagle and Grunin sittin' in a tree, k-i-s-s-i-n... ah whatever.

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