Is it true there is a plan to build a mosque complex next to ground zero?

LotsOfZeros said:
Is the left really getting this desperate that all you have left in your arsenal are personal attacks based on assumptions and generalities?
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unless you have an extremely sophisticated sense of irony this statement is amazing.

I guess either way its amazing

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apparently a member of the left which itself is apparently represented by medicalhumor
 


I just reread that cnn article and I really don't see the problem here. Listen, as the token atheist I pretty much think all religion is retarded but to say that one religion couldn't legally build their place of worship where ever they choose in America is ...unAmerican by the rights of the people to worship as and where they choose so long as it's not sponsored by or affiliated with the government.

So by that line of thinking the people that have a problem with this are down right unpatrotic. Shame on you guys!
 
jriddick said:
It would be more important for people to perhaps be sensitive to Americans' feelings about 9/11 and radical Islamic extremists and maybe understand that building a symbol of a religion whose twisted adherents murdered 3,000 Americans right on the site of said murder MAYBE isn't the brightest idea.
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Fucking this.
 
turbolapp said:
So by that line of thinking the people that have a problem with this are down right unpatrotic. Shame on you guys!
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I wouldn't attempt to try to block it for this very reason (freedom of religion, freedom to assemble, etc). It's just as Unarmed stated, it's in very bad taste and there is no secret to the ulterior motives involved - Symbols of Islamic Dominance which makes me dislike them even more.
 
I really do not understand how anyone can defend the construction of this mosque.

It is like building a monument to Gestapo on the site of Auschwitz.
 
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jriddick said:
It would be more important for people to perhaps be sensitive to Americans' feelings about 9/11 and radical Islamic extremists and maybe understand that building a symbol of a religion whose twisted adherents murdered 3,000 Americans right on the site of said murder MAYBE isn't the brightest idea.

It's interesting how quick many are to insinuate Americans are bigoted and racist when they object to a mosque being built upon sacred ground. Clearly the owners of the proposed mosque aren't terrorists(I'm assuming), but then again when 3,000 of your fellow citizens were slaughtered by twisted adherents of a particular religion, certain New Yorkers might not be in the mood to appreciate your exquisite nuance.

Just understand most New Yorkers are pretty bitter about what happened and try not to inflame them. It doesn't mean you can't build mosques anywhere, but damn, do these people have any respect for New Yorkers feelings? I would think that whomever is behind the plans to build the mosque would be culturally sensitive enough to know that Ground Zero might not be the best spot.

The fact that people might draw this connection and the mosque planners went ahead anyways KNOWING the controversy it would cause is the suspect part. There's thousands of places to build a mosque, and the fact that they intentionally chose that spot just doesn't sit right with a lot of people.

As for the list somebody posted of supposed Muslim grief over 9/11, I'm not sure where you dug that up from since it was never displayed in any mainstream medium: television, radio, newspaper, whatever. It's awesome that you could actually find that list, but it doesn't mean anything if those people didn't have the balls to go on a national stage and make a stand.
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Exactly as I see it.

Of course they should be free to build those things wherever they want, but have some god damn respect. It's kinda like farting at a funeral, you can, but you just don't fucking do it.
 
DKPMO said:
I really do not understand how anyone can defend the construction of this mosque.

It is like building a monument to Gestapo on the site of Auschwitz.
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It's not directly akin to that since the mosque planners (presumably) aren't affiliated with terrorists. But at the same time, it's understandable that some New Yorkers and many Americans could see it as that.

And considering the fact that 9/11 is still a very tender wound in this nation's memory, you'd think people would tread softly and try and be considerate of Americans' feelings regarding the tragedy that occurred on that day. The fact that the mosque planners deliberately chose Ground Zero, with all its history and with the 9/11 hijackers close connections to the Islamic religion, speaks volumes about their sensitivity to American culture and their (dis)respect of a nation that is still very much grieving.
 
jriddick said:
It's not directly akin to that since the mosque planners (presumably) aren't affiliated with terrorists. But at the same time, it's understandable that some New Yorkers and many Americans could see it as that.

And considering the fact that 9/11 is still a very tender wound in this nation's memory, you'd think people would tread softly and try and be considerate of Americans' feelings regarding the tragedy that occurred on that day. The fact that the mosque planners deliberately chose Ground Zero, with all its history and with the 9/11 hijackers close connections to the Islamic religion, speaks volumes about their sensitivity to American culture and their (dis)respect of a nation that is still very much grieving.
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The terrorists were motivated by radical Islamist ideology, it is not like their religion had nothing to do with their attack.

Building a temple to a religion that motivated terrorists on the site of the most barbarous terrorist act in our history is a slap in the face to 9/11 victims, New Yorkers and all Americans. A more appropriate project would be to build a history museum of Islamo-fascist hatred and atrocities.
 
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DKPMO said:
The terrorists were motivated by radical Islamist ideology, it is not like their religion had nothing to do with their attack.

Building a temple to a religion that motivated terrorists on the site of the most barbarous terrorist act in our history is a slap in the face to 9/11 victims, New Yorkers and all Americans. A more appropriate project would be to build a history museum of Islamo-fascist hatred and atrocities.
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This is the most retarded statement here.

Turbo was right. All religions are equally retarded. It's unAmerican to disallow one from legally building a place of so called worship wherever they like.

What say you: Bat shit crazy christian fundamentalists considered IRAQ to be a holy war. Time to burn down the churches!
 
conv3rsion said:
My thought is so what. I don't hold current day Christians responsible for the crusades. I'm not going to hold all muslims responsible for 9/11.

Regarding lotsofzeros' post, I've heard lots and lots of muslims speak out against the attack on 9/11. I guarantee a 10 second search on google or youtube would turn up enough.

There are over a billion muslims in the world, thinking they all want to fly planes into buildings and kill innocent people is pretty sillly.
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When are you sympathizers gona quit using that lame fuck argument. The crusades happend 900 years ago.

Common sense says that placing a mosque next to the site that muslims killed thousands of US innocents, is wrong. Since you are a sympathizer, talk to some of your terrorist friends and try to reason with them. Explain to them that this move will only push back relations with the infidels.

EDIT: BTW, TRUE Muslims do believe in killing the infidels. The wishy washy Westernized muslims are the ones that are not following the true faith.
 
My point was, there are plenty of christian fundamentalists out there that are just as crazy.

Perhaps in this day and age that craziness comes about in different ways. Though there are plenty of people that consider IRAQ to be a christian holy war, former president included. A lot more innocent people have died there as a result of it.

Their fake god is just as evil as the other fake god.

If you think this is only an islam thing, that's a total misnomer.
 
popeye said:
When are you sympathizers gona quit using that lame fuck argument. The crusades happend 900 years ago.

Common sense says that placing a mosque next to the site that muslims killed thousands of US innocents, is wrong. Since you are a sympathizer, talk to some of your terrorist friends and try to reason with them. Explain to them that this move will only push back relations with the infidels.

EDIT: BTW, TRUE Muslims do believe in killing the infidels. The wishy washy Westernized muslims are the ones that are not following the true faith.
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LOL, I'm not arguing with rednecks
 
Ataraxy said:
My point was, there are plenty of christian fundamentalists out there that are just as crazy.

Perhaps in this day and age that craziness comes about in different ways. Though there are plenty of people that consider IRAQ to be a christian holy war, former president included. A lot more innocent people have died there as a result of it.

Their fake god is just as evil as the other fake god.

If you think this is only an islam thing, that's a total misnomer.
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Your point is flawed. What matters is not religious theory or doctrine, but how it is actually applied in practice. Only Muslims practice mass murder over faith these days.

Iraq is not a "Christian holy war", if anything it created a less secular state than under Saddam. Why? Because we gave them democracy and first thing you know they elect Islamic Dawa Party that believes in Sharia-run state and wants to cozy up to Iranian Ayatollahs. The problem is that these Middle Eastern countries are full of Islamic militant sympathizers who believe in restoring global Caliphate and forcing Sharia law on the whole world.

Appeasing this fascist ideology is inexcusable.
 
DKPMO said:
Your point is flawed. What matters is not religious theory or doctrine, but how it is actually applied in practice.
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oh you're right, apparently all the muslims in my area are practicing murder daily. Thats obviously how the theory gets applied in practice, umm, everywhere.

DKPMO said:
Only Muslims practice mass murder over faith these days.
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bull, fucking, shit.

Even if for a second we pretend that those crazies that flew the planes into represent all, the majority, or even more than just a fringe element of muslims then obviously timothy mcveigh represented all christians.

my point stands, there are a billion muslims in the world, and holding them all reasonable for what some nuts did is ridiculous. If you want to talk about "well thats what their faith preaches.." (like you have any idea outside of what you've heard from other simple minded tards) then you also have obviously never read the bible, which has already been brought up.

Have you ever gone to a mosque? No? Ok then don't tell me you know what their faith preaches from some shit you googled about the quran .
 
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