I lasted a month. ;(

[GerardWon]

With a true full time awd system like Subaru's Symmetrical or Audi's Quattro [most of the performance revisions anyway] if you step out of the gas too quickly mid-turn you will see the same effect as trail breaking and you will oversteer. The R8 V8 isn't all that powerful so imo he would get himself into less trouble powering out than pulling out of the gas after he loses traction. Of course, all the basic driver dynamics still apply like looking where you want to go and steering into the slide, and he probably lost the car from a series of mistakes, but if you start to slide in a car with these awd systems and pull your foot out of the gas, you WILL spin. Of course, this is based on my experience with RS4 and S4, the R8 may make use of the Lambo awd system in which case I will probably kill McGrunin with this advice because Lambo awd sucks donkey balls.

So discussing handling characteristics like trail braking, oversteer and why jumping off the throttle after turn in is as potentially dangerous as driving drunk... well lets just say its a pity more drivers don't understand this. A lot more.

I don't own an AWD vehicle though I have thown a few around a little pitch and catch auto cross course a few years ago. Also I have no real clue of the effects that any stability programs have on street cars near the limit of adhesion because I always shut that Shit off.

 

[-joe-]

Wait wut? Cassius I'm guessing that like me you have spun more times than you can count out on the racetrack. I have to say that telling an untrained driver to floor it and steer is BAD advice; possibly Lethal. We (racers): Always Look Where We Want The Car To Go - And Not Where It Is Pointed. This fact is one of the MAIN reasons why we can drive sideways while whistling a merry tune.

He lost that car the instant he looked where it was pointing; Instead of keeping his gaze focused on Where he wanted it to go.

Furthermore, its conceivable he actually lost it Even before that by not Anticipating that it would "step out" on him. Of course now we're talking about the "other side" of car control - making corrections Before The Fact

Obviously nothing compares to real experience, but I'd highly recommend anyone who enjoys driving fast picks up a Logitech G27 and a good rally game (I like DiRT, personally). Being able to do hundreds of powerslides without the risk of crashing into a tree is something that comes in very handy when you get behind the wheel of a real car. I'd definitely get the G27 and not a cheaper wheel, you need the force feedback etc to get the realism. I think those 2 items have definitely got me out of a few meetings with trees, and have definitely paid for themselves.

 

[ricdes]

With AWD in a performance car, when in doubt put your foot to the floor and steer. When you let off the gas too quickly in a minor slide, you will lock up and oversteer into a spin.



That is actually not true. In many cars you can alter the governor with a flash. I have a valet tune that I put on my car when I take it to a body shop or anywhere someone I don't trust might drive it. Drops the rev limit down from 8,000 to 5,000 and hits boost cut at the load of about 70mph. It could go faster, but with no boost it will take a loooong ass time. You can cut off fuel on a naturally aspirated engine and pretty much pick your own speed limiter. I don't think he actually did that though, I think he is covering his bases because he is posting about an accident on the internet and doesn't want to admit wrongdoing.

Of course he didn't. I mean, unless he was SO LUCKY AND RANDOMLY begged the car shop to flash his car to the exact speed that he legally could have been driving in that area. Also, going under speed limit doesn't help you much when you were driving 55mph in heavy rain, just because it says 55mph on the road speed sign. The speed limit posted up, and many idiotic US drivers probably never were tested on this question, is only in case of PERFECT CONDITIONS. Clearly, this is not the case.

Also, who the fuck would flash his car to a speed limit slower than what is allowed on the fastest highways in the US (afaik they are 85mph in NY if I remember correctly?). But definitely not 55mph, that'll get you overtaken by a granny in her 20yo mazda ... no reason to drive a fucking R8 then.

Shit happens, but it blows my mind how people have no friends to talk to these issues about, then go while on an internet forum begging for shoulder padding and attention, even when they're clearly the ones in guilt for the accident. Also, instead of being a man and openly admitting to wrongdoing (which, nobody in their right mind will do, so he.. shouldn't really post this up here either), the guy goes on and lies to his fellow sheep about an alleged redline at 55mph (made me lol when I read it) and potholes. Guess what dude, it wasn't a redline, god or whatever, what you had is called aquaplaning. Cassius, what he had was clearly tires that hadn't been changed in a while, he was going too fast. He started aquaplaning, maybe hit some pothole while doing it and panicked.

Again, no rally videogame will help you in such a situation. And the R8 doesn't have a permanent AWD system, it's actually RWD by default and in certain situations switches to 30/70 front/rear. So yes, he should have applied the same behavior as with a RWD car and just let off the gas, put the car in neutral. Braking or moving the steering wheel is the WORST in aquaplaning situations. Just let the car get back in contact with the road surface, then apply the brakes and steering wheel.

Best part is, instead of saying how lucky he is for not getting any tickets, he says the cops are clearly just too lazy. Man, you have a big fucking ego.

 

[mont7071]

Glad you're ok, but pretty sure you are wrong on your speed estimate.

I have an R8, the last pic shows the spoiler was deployed when you crashed. That spoiler is electronically controlled, it doesn't deploy till your speed is over 100KmH (62 mph).

 

[ricdes]

Glad you're ok, but pretty sure you are wrong on your speed estimate.

I have an R8, the last pic shows the spoiler was deployed when you crashed. That spoiler is electronically controlled, it doesn't deploy till your speed is over 100KmH (62 mph).

Unless he pressed the button to deploy it. Stays deployed even when you turn off the car. still, he's 100% wrong abou the speed.

 

[JulianTrueFlynn]

Glad you're ok, but pretty sure you are wrong on your speed estimate.

I have an R8, the last pic shows the spoiler was deployed when you crashed. That spoiler is electronically controlled, it doesn't deploy till your speed is over 100KmH (62 mph).

I thought he just didn't want to say he was going above the speed limit on a public forum for whatever reason

 

[cassius]

Of course he didn't. I mean, unless he was SO LUCKY AND RANDOMLY begged the car shop to flash his car to the exact speed that he legally could have been driving in that area. Also, going under speed limit doesn't help you much when you were driving 55mph in heavy rain, just because it says 55mph on the road speed sign. The speed limit posted up, and many idiotic US drivers probably never were tested on this question, is only in case of PERFECT CONDITIONS. Clearly, this is not the case.

Also, who the fuck would flash his car to a speed limit slower than what is allowed on the fastest highways in the US (afaik they are 85mph in NY if I remember correctly?). But definitely not 55mph, that'll get you overtaken by a granny in her 20yo mazda ... no reason to drive a fucking R8 then.

Shit happens, but it blows my mind how people have no friends to talk to these issues about, then go while on an internet forum begging for shoulder padding and attention, even when they're clearly the ones in guilt for the accident. Also, instead of being a man and openly admitting to wrongdoing (which, nobody in their right mind will do, so he.. shouldn't really post this up here either), the guy goes on and lies to his fellow sheep about an alleged redline at 55mph (made me lol when I read it) and potholes. Guess what dude, it wasn't a redline, god or whatever, what you had is called aquaplaning. Cassius, what he had was clearly tires that hadn't been changed in a while, he was going too fast. He started aquaplaning, maybe hit some pothole while doing it and panicked.

Again, no rally videogame will help you in such a situation. And the R8 doesn't have a permanent AWD system, it's actually RWD by default and in certain situations switches to 30/70 front/rear. So yes, he should have applied the same behavior as with a RWD car and just let off the gas, put the car in neutral. Braking or moving the steering wheel is the WORST in aquaplaning situations. Just let the car get back in contact with the road surface, then apply the brakes and steering wheel.

Best part is, instead of saying how lucky he is for not getting any tickets, he says the cops are clearly just too lazy. Man, you have a big fucking ego.

Sounds like the Lambo viscous coupling setup, which is still technically full-time AWD it just diverts between 15 and 30% of torque to the front. Not surprising since the R8 is basically an Audi Gallardo. I hate that system. It is really nice for handling in controlled driving, but unpredictable in recovery situations.

As for the 55mph limiter thing, again I think that comment was tongue-in-cheek. I was not arguing that anyone would actually do that, but it is definitely possible. I tune my own cars and as long as you have a flash interface and the proper tables, you can limit speed by triggering fuel or boost cut by load in each gear in most OBDII vehicles. Some ECUs are comprehensive enough where you can even setup soft and hard rev limiters for each gear independently.

 

[BlokBlok]

*Insert comment letting everyone know how much I know about cars and performance driving*

 

[GerardWon]

Obviously nothing compares to real experience, but I'd highly recommend anyone who enjoys driving fast picks up a Logitech G27 and a good rally game (I like DiRT, personally). Being able to do hundreds of powerslides without the risk of crashing into a tree is something that comes in very handy when you get behind the wheel of a real car. I'd definitely get the G27 and not a cheaper wheel, you need the force feedback etc to get the realism. I think those 2 items have definitely got me out of a few meetings with trees, and have definitely paid for themselves.

No real experience on modern vid driving games. But I always SUCKED at the old school ones. IDK why really - my ADD? The fact that I couldn't get killed and knew it? The lack of a Realistic View? I think its a combination of those factors Plus I just plain wasn't "plugged in."

I do know the modern Formula One simulators are pretty fucking real and I heard of racers using vid games to actually learn tracks they haven't seen.

But for me - my cars in the fuckin' driveway.

 

[GerardWon]

Its what makes my life worth living. And when I was younger, I would actually pass on having sure sex with my girlfriend to go out and street race.

How's that bro?

 

[CaviB]

It sounded like you were going Schfifty Five MPH

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-XccUMOQ978

 

[DewChugr]

Wait wut? Cassius I'm guessing that like me you have spun more times than you can count out on the racetrack. I have to say that telling an untrained driver to floor it and steer is BAD advice; possibly Lethal. We (racers): Always Look Where We Want The Car To Go - And Not Where It Is Pointed. This fact is one of the MAIN reasons why we can drive sideways while whistling a merry tune.

He lost that car the instant he looked where it was pointing; Instead of keeping his gaze focused on Where he wanted it to go.

Furthermore, its conceivable he actually lost it Even before that by not Anticipating that it would "step out" on him. Of course now we're talking about the "other side" of car control - making corrections Before The Fact

The human brain isn't fully developed until age 25.

 

[fixie]

I agree, sounds like that post has a lot of sarcasm as well. What I believe happened was as such. Coming down the highway, it has been raining all day long and the roads were quite slippery. Traveling with a decent bit of decline due to a slopping overpass. At first in the second lane, likely around 75 mph. He decided to downshift and made the grave mistake of switching lanes at the same time. Speed likely came in closer to 95/100 while switching lanes and then bam, left part of the car hits a gigantic patch of water and snaps the steering wheel to the right. He was probably driving with just one hand, so when the wheel snapped, he couldn't hold it in place with a single hand, and all was history from there.

That is likely more probable. But what do I know, I am just ROISHARE.

Yeah, I figured it would be more like this. Something similar happened to me as well, although my car didn't ride the rail in the end, I just managed to keep the wheel from turning, braking veeery slowly and let it drift off. Fortunately, the road was wide enough, I ended up in the wrong lane, about 30 cm from the rail.

Fortunately I have escaped without injury. I am feeling a bit sore in my left elbow, it could simply be because of the airbag spraining it somehow. I'll live.

Stop driving your car like this, it is bad for you

 

[mGrunin]

Can't believe so many people have taken my 55 mph "redline" comment so seriously. I simply do not want to admit to breaking the law on a public forum that is very easily linked to my actual identity. I even made a comment from one of my alias on this thread to further elaborate the course of events that took place that night.

 

[Kiopa_Matt]

Whew, judging from this thread, you better hope you make your goal of $100k. Seems to be quite a few insecure folk willing to jump your bones and trash you if you don't.

Not overly certain what their problem is, but whatever, up to them. Good luck with the challenge!

 

[mGrunin]

Whew, judging from this thread, you better hope you make your goal of $100k. Seems to be quite a few insecure folk willing to jump your bones and trash you if you don't.

Not overly certain what their problem is, but whatever, up to them. Good luck with the challenge!

I knew what I was getting into the moment I made this thread. I have to take the good with the bad. I just hope those same people will be willing to admit that I proved them wrong to a degree if I do succeed. I know that I will admit to my lack of performance and ability if I fail here.

edit: I believe you and I both replied to the wrong thread.

 

[Kiopa_Matt]

^^ No, just I replied to the wrong thread. You seemed to have stayed on topic.

Whoops, sorry!

 

[Fatbat]

Can't believe so many people have taken my 55 mph "redline" comment so seriously. I simply do not want to admit to breaking the law on a public forum that is very easily linked to my actual identity. I even made a comment from one of my alias on this thread to further elaborate the course of events that took place that night.

You're a lucky SOB then. The lamp post might have been it if you hit it right, never mind the 200+ m of plowing the fields and knocking down fences and whatnot. Glad you're still among the walking dude. Let us know how you get on with the car.

 

[mGrunin]

You're a lucky SOB then. The lamp post might have been it if you hit it right, never mind the 200+ m of plowing the fields and knocking down fences and whatnot. Glad you're still among the walking dude. Let us know how you get on with the car.

I have to count my blessings. I am pretty surprised that the car completely leveled a light pole on the highway and continued traveling at a high enough speed to pop a low profile car over a three foot guard rail.

Some are not as fortunate. RIP.

Driver of Ferrari killed in crash with Hyundai - latimes.com

21 year old killed in his Ferrari on Saturday.

http://www.insidesocal.com/sgvcrime/files/2014/05/0504_NWS_PSN-Z-FATAL2.jpg

 

[mGrunin]

I would also like to clarify the turn of events that day since I had the chance to visit the scene. When I lost control, It was not just because I hydroplanned, but moreso because the rear of my car struck the divider. Since I was changing lanes from the 2nd lane to the 3rd lane, I am guessing that during that switch, since I had a streak of water, my car began to fishtail. Since I was too close to the dividers at that point and the motion of my car was towards to the divider, the rear of my car hit the divider. Once that impact was made, the car rapidly spun to the right. I had no chance to react, and couldn't do a single thing. All I felt was a slip, and then bam, I am still looking up and all the lights are blurry. I am guessing at this time my car is spinning 180 degrees. Simply no way for me to act rationally when I can't even tell what I am looking at anymore. The next thing I hear was a gigantic impact on my driver side door (light pole). I hear the window break and the glass hiting my face. My head bounces off the side airbag. From this point on my unfortunate human instincts kick in and my eyes remained closed for the rest of the journey. There was maybe half a second between the light pole impact and coming at a stop above the guardrail.

The only chance I had to probably avoid further damage to my car was if I steered my car after it hit the light pole. Since the car was traveling backwards after that impact, if I had moved my wheel towards the right, I could have avoided flying off the highway and just hopefully riding backwards along the shoulder area. But again, that is all wishful thinking. I doubt I would have been able to orient myself quick enough after the airbags deploying and glass in my face to check my mirrors to see my direction, and then properly adjust to the circumstance.