How Hydra Affiliate Network Screwed Me Out Of $25,000

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Here comes Shady w/ the IP lookup. You better hope it doesn't resolve to Los Angeles...or Hydra will lose even more credibility than they already have in this thread.
 


I shill for no one. I just heard about this thread on the forum i usually am on and looked in. Thanks for the nice welcome.
 
When I was at marketleverage as an AM this only happened when we had actual proof of fraud. In which case we had no problem showing the proof we had to the affiliate if they continued with their story. We always paid when in doubt, whether or not the advertiser paid us. Just good business not to piss off your revenue generators, especially when it's the sole responsibility of the advertiser to monitor traffic quality and cut streams as they see fit. If they let you run it for a month, the MAX Hydra should have cut from you might have been 1 day in the event you didn't shut off the stream when asked to...if they even cut your pay at all. Screw Hydra, they'll get what they deserve in the long run in they keep this up.
 
haha.. I just got an email from my new Hydra rep that 2 "leads" had been invalidated due to incorrect information. Thats the first time I have ever had a network invalidate a credit card sale offer (was for credit reports.)

Its only a trickle of traffic going through, they could invalidate them all and I could care less. It was unusual enough that I figured it was worth posting. That said, I'll need a good reason to send them any volume traffic in the future.

Ages back when I was sending traffic to actual "lead" offers, I would get kicked off an offer every so often. The reason was something along the lines of "it isn't working out for the advertiser" and I would be paid in full every time. I can recall one case were the traffic definitely was garbage (but real.) I still was paid, and that incident alone put hydra on the top of my list of respected affiliate networks early on.

My old rep that recently left was extremely attentive. I would send an email late on a weekend evening and receive a prompt reply. Thats not something I see often.

My guess is that someone decided it is cost cutting time. I suggest Hydra hire a few more cost cutters because they are going to need them.

I don't have a problem with affiliate networks enforcing their own rules. Its just a good practice to let affiliates know that they will be enforcing these rules when they have an established history of not doing so.
 
They had to eat the cost of a major advertiser not paying up and now they're trying to screw affiliates over to make up the difference. Plus, they've had ample time to defend themselves here and have done a piss poor job of it.

I say fuck 'em. Flip your campaigns over to the guys that contribute regularly and deal w/ this stuff swiftly and ethically on this forum. Mike (Copeac), Ruck (C2M) and Jason (A4D) immediately come to mind.
 
Seems like this could easily be resolved by more affiliates having their attorney's draft a letter when this shit happens. It costs nothing to get the legal ball rolling. While lawsuits are expensive and often not worth the effort, threatening suit is almost always worth it.
 
fatmoocow said:
Seems like this could easily be resolved by more affiliates having their attorney's draft a letter when this shit happens. It costs nothing to get the legal ball rolling. While lawsuits are expensive and often not worth the effort, threatening suit is almost always worth it.
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A lot of affs who don't make a ton of dough cant afford a lawyer, which Hydra Knows.
 
Thats the problem with lead base offers you get a shitty sales rep on the other side who cant close a door let alone a sale and they want to blame you so they can keep their jobs. But really hydra is the loser in this because they just lost a million a year in revenue. So fuck em go somewhere else. But the real problem is the tool you had as an affiliate manager when he saw you were generating that much in revenue he should have been on the phone with the advertiser within a few days to make sure everything was looking good rather than taking the chance of losing a good producing affiliate that was just plain laziness on the AM's part.
 
Im shocked Hydra hasn't done more, I know several people will not run with them anymore because of this.. bad business IMO.. that $25k they wanted to keep will cost them much more in the long run.
 
A friend of a friend claims he spoke to his Hydra AM about this very thread, and the AM's response was "We know about the thread, we're not going to post because the Wicked Fire people will turn into a mob and make the situation worse"

There's no mob here. <Gentlemen, hide your torches>
 
Roundabout said:
A friend of a friend claims he spoke to his Hydra AM about this very thread, and the AM's response was "We know about the thread, we're not going to post because the Wicked Fire people will turn into a mob and make the situation worse"

There's no mob here. <Gentlemen, hide your torches>
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Before my AM left she told me the same thing, so i can verify.
 
I wonder if it would have made sense to have just the moderators (or owner of this site, God bless whoever you are), discuss the issue with Hydra, alone, through phone, email, etc. just so perhaps Hydra could have felt they could explain their side, and then let the moderators speak for them to the crowd.

Was a solution like this ever proposed to them? I bet they'd love to tell their side of this story without getting assaulted by 1000 Angry WF'ers.
 
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