how are all of the oldschooler WF'ers doing these days?
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No one cares about higher interest if you don't have ARMs or chose poorly.
weak hands are leaving the market, lots of opportunities available for those who are willing to scale.
learned enough here to quit my job and do this full time for 10 (2008-2018)years until my downfall. This part time now plus disability. See below.
Got Married.
then Divorced in 6 years.
Alholism.
Stage 4 brain cancer.
House Fire.
Totaled car.
Cancer for 2nd time.
Brain hemmorhage stroke. Lost function of my left hand relearned to walk.
Totaled another car.
Cancer for a 3rd time. Doing chemo now.
Still grateful to be here checking in on all of you assholes though!
:rasta:
Got Married.
then Divorced in 6 years.
Alholism.
Stage 4 brain cancer.
House Fire.
Totaled car.
Cancer for 2nd time.
Brain hemmorhage stroke. Lost function of my left hand relearned to walk.
Totaled another car.
Cancer for a 3rd time. Doing chemo now.
Still grateful to be here checking in on all of you assholes though!
:rasta:
YouTube channel that's about my real estate stuff, Finance, dealing with crackheads, $145k subs.
What are you doing these days? Do you still share your layered thoughts?
Good to see you all...
What are you doing these days? Do you still share your layered thoughts?
Good to see you all...
I'm mostly a boring suit at this point, recently shifted into a strategy and corp dev role at the startup I've been at for about 8 years. We're on the right track, will see what liquidity looks like one day.
Funny enough, I have a list of like 50+ essay ideas but just can't find the time to actually write a damn thing lately. Maybe I'll just toss them all through ChatGPT and see how much credit I can take for it.
I still have a few small sites online that make a bit of cash per month, but with a kid and a corporate job, hard to find time for much else.
I miss the interaction of this place even if it was a fucked up wild ass place that took up too much of our time and helped us all earn some internet points. I still wish forums were popular things, it's my favorite interaction style. Should we start another one?
I still wish forums were popular things, it's my favorite interaction style. Should we start another one?
Go for it!
came by just to say hello - made a half hearted attempt to follow some of these methods - never really got anywhere and still working similar jobs (Professional IT) - I do fine money/career wise but always want/need more
doing a music/tech startup because the kids are gone and I can put some risk back on.
interesting to watch the industry and yes, should have listened on those bitcoin threads! fun to see some familiar names on here!
What's Jon doing these days - last I heard it was hedge funds...
doing a music/tech startup because the kids are gone and I can put some risk back on.
interesting to watch the industry and yes, should have listened on those bitcoin threads! fun to see some familiar names on here!
What's Jon doing these days - last I heard it was hedge funds...
What a time it was back in the mid 2000s-2012ish. There was nothing else like it.
Opportunity was everywhere. Multiple people were banking hard with acai rebills and other shit like that. But honestly, it wasn't easy. Very few people shared with they did because it was dangerous: the barrier to entry was so low, so anyone could easily rip your landers/offer and there goes your paycheck.
I honestly don't know how most of you did it. Most aff offers provided zero value (rebills, credit reports, etc.). And deep in my heart of hearts, i had zero desire or drive to promote most of these shitty offers. Yet everyone in the industry was drinking the koolaid, and it seemed like the music would never stop. It was almost cult-like. & surprise surprise, most of these offers are now nearly non existent (yet the Clickbank VSL offers are still killing it lol).
And add to the fact that if you're an affiliate, you own NOTHING. You don't own the backend, the data, the full sale or ROI generated from the lead (unless you collect the leads yourself), you have no brand, etc. However, aff marketing is great if you want to build your marketing skills for use in the long run - otherwise it's a big waste of time. It's basically a pyramid, where the brand benefits the most, followed by the aff network, and then the affiliate. It's a terrible business unless you're young, just getting started, need some startup cash, or intend to use aff marketing to learn skills because you want to stay in marketing in the long run.
I got very lucky with a method back in 2010 as a teenager and banked hard. Got delusional and thought i could continue it, so i dropped out of college. However, money made me incredibly lazy and inflated my ego. And after that 1 success, i couldn't find another way after trying multiple times.
Went back to college, graduated, and am now hacking it as a suit in corp marketing.
However, I've taken all the skills i learned and it's served me very well. I'm intimately familiar with SEO, copywriting, have some decent photoshop/premiere skills, some knowledge of HTML, etc - whereas most people have no knowledge of those things, so it puts me ahead in my career.
I'm also working on a side biz where i'm creating the brand from scratch, the website, the funnel, the products, backend, social media templates, email marketing systems, etc. so not only do I get full ownership, but it grows over time and I own all the data/leads. But I could never have done it without learning all the shit from my aff marketing years.
Another nice thing about aff marketing is that it reveals what the real world is truly like. As a normie, you're just mediocre and hack a 9-5 like every other norime. But in affiliate marketing, it's a combo of smarts, discipline, and often a bending of ethics to achieve astronomical sums of money.
I wish there were another group like WF because it was a great place to network and share ideas with likeminded, intelligent folks who are driven to succeed, think outside of the box, and self improve. I haven't found anything like it, but I'm pretty sure it's all about masterminds and small, private groups nowadays for people to meet business colleagues to bounce ideas off of, etc.
Now in my late 20s, i realize how dumb I was. I didn't value my relationships or health as much as I should have, and just wanted to make money for materialism and ego. Now, i still want to make enough to earn financial independence, but I'm also realizing how important it is to focus on your health, family, and friends. All the money in the world won't make you happy if you lack health/relationships, and if I could go back in time, I'd invest more in my close relationships. I'm also doing all that self discipline shit like meditation, cold showers, routines, journaling, fitness, stretching/yoga, and they're all a game changer for mood. You gotta take care of your mental health.
Banking hard when I was younger was also a killer because it attracted the wrong attention/people into my life, so I inadvertently cut a lot of people off - some were necessary, but unfortunately, a few were good friends, and those dynamics will never be the same.
/end rant
Opportunity was everywhere. Multiple people were banking hard with acai rebills and other shit like that. But honestly, it wasn't easy. Very few people shared with they did because it was dangerous: the barrier to entry was so low, so anyone could easily rip your landers/offer and there goes your paycheck.
I honestly don't know how most of you did it. Most aff offers provided zero value (rebills, credit reports, etc.). And deep in my heart of hearts, i had zero desire or drive to promote most of these shitty offers. Yet everyone in the industry was drinking the koolaid, and it seemed like the music would never stop. It was almost cult-like. & surprise surprise, most of these offers are now nearly non existent (yet the Clickbank VSL offers are still killing it lol).
And add to the fact that if you're an affiliate, you own NOTHING. You don't own the backend, the data, the full sale or ROI generated from the lead (unless you collect the leads yourself), you have no brand, etc. However, aff marketing is great if you want to build your marketing skills for use in the long run - otherwise it's a big waste of time. It's basically a pyramid, where the brand benefits the most, followed by the aff network, and then the affiliate. It's a terrible business unless you're young, just getting started, need some startup cash, or intend to use aff marketing to learn skills because you want to stay in marketing in the long run.
I got very lucky with a method back in 2010 as a teenager and banked hard. Got delusional and thought i could continue it, so i dropped out of college. However, money made me incredibly lazy and inflated my ego. And after that 1 success, i couldn't find another way after trying multiple times.
Went back to college, graduated, and am now hacking it as a suit in corp marketing.
However, I've taken all the skills i learned and it's served me very well. I'm intimately familiar with SEO, copywriting, have some decent photoshop/premiere skills, some knowledge of HTML, etc - whereas most people have no knowledge of those things, so it puts me ahead in my career.
I'm also working on a side biz where i'm creating the brand from scratch, the website, the funnel, the products, backend, social media templates, email marketing systems, etc. so not only do I get full ownership, but it grows over time and I own all the data/leads. But I could never have done it without learning all the shit from my aff marketing years.
Another nice thing about aff marketing is that it reveals what the real world is truly like. As a normie, you're just mediocre and hack a 9-5 like every other norime. But in affiliate marketing, it's a combo of smarts, discipline, and often a bending of ethics to achieve astronomical sums of money.
I wish there were another group like WF because it was a great place to network and share ideas with likeminded, intelligent folks who are driven to succeed, think outside of the box, and self improve. I haven't found anything like it, but I'm pretty sure it's all about masterminds and small, private groups nowadays for people to meet business colleagues to bounce ideas off of, etc.
Now in my late 20s, i realize how dumb I was. I didn't value my relationships or health as much as I should have, and just wanted to make money for materialism and ego. Now, i still want to make enough to earn financial independence, but I'm also realizing how important it is to focus on your health, family, and friends. All the money in the world won't make you happy if you lack health/relationships, and if I could go back in time, I'd invest more in my close relationships. I'm also doing all that self discipline shit like meditation, cold showers, routines, journaling, fitness, stretching/yoga, and they're all a game changer for mood. You gotta take care of your mental health.
Banking hard when I was younger was also a killer because it attracted the wrong attention/people into my life, so I inadvertently cut a lot of people off - some were necessary, but unfortunately, a few were good friends, and those dynamics will never be the same.
/end rant
Wow. Some familiar names here from here and elsewhere.
Did AM pretty well for a good long time. As AM got less interesting, ended up doing Copywriting for a lot of big info products and networked in that realm for a while, doing sales letters and autoresponders.
Jumped into eCommerce and did great with that as well. Sold almost all of those.
Got into BTC and ETH early, made good on that without even knowing what I was doing.
Chased the even bigger money, and decided from my Crypto earnings that maybe I should actually learn how trading works - got into Day Trading - and have been hacking the Matrix a little more each day since.
Trading in general is pretty fun and I've always been a data/analytics guy so staring at charts is right up my alley!
Did AM pretty well for a good long time. As AM got less interesting, ended up doing Copywriting for a lot of big info products and networked in that realm for a while, doing sales letters and autoresponders.
Jumped into eCommerce and did great with that as well. Sold almost all of those.
Got into BTC and ETH early, made good on that without even knowing what I was doing.
Chased the even bigger money, and decided from my Crypto earnings that maybe I should actually learn how trading works - got into Day Trading - and have been hacking the Matrix a little more each day since.
Trading in general is pretty fun and I've always been a data/analytics guy so staring at charts is right up my alley!
Something definitely changed around 2013-2014, like all of the profitable offers dried up. While I did run some re-bills the main money-makers for me were dating and ASOTV products.
Talking about dubious value: most of the CPA offers today are junk and far worse than the stuff that was popular about 12 years ago. At least when you got your free bottle of fat-fuck pills you actually got something. Now it's just leadgens and shitty sweepstakes.
I think it is possible to bring back a new era of profitable opportunity. Maybe not the same as it was, but perhaps better...of course, for that to happen it would need the involvement of a few men that haven't been overtaken by estrogen, living in fear of bullshit edicts from "the government". I mean, did networks really shut down because they were afraid of what the FTC might do? LOL
Anyway, I came back here to see what's going on and it's quite disappointing. Most people have grown comfortable being wageslaves. Choosing comfort over liberty...deserving of neither.
Talking about dubious value: most of the CPA offers today are junk and far worse than the stuff that was popular about 12 years ago. At least when you got your free bottle of fat-fuck pills you actually got something. Now it's just leadgens and shitty sweepstakes.
I think it is possible to bring back a new era of profitable opportunity. Maybe not the same as it was, but perhaps better...of course, for that to happen it would need the involvement of a few men that haven't been overtaken by estrogen, living in fear of bullshit edicts from "the government". I mean, did networks really shut down because they were afraid of what the FTC might do? LOL
Anyway, I came back here to see what's going on and it's quite disappointing. Most people have grown comfortable being wageslaves. Choosing comfort over liberty...deserving of neither.
I was with you until the second half. Why wouldn't you be afraid of "the government" aka the most powerful entity in the entire world? Creating a legal and semi-ethical offer is 100x more lucrative in the long-run than playing cat-and-mouse with the FTC.
Why wait for a 'new' era of profitability? That will never happen. Aff marketing, as it was in the good old days, is basically dead. However, there are many other profitable avenues to make money, especially via advertising. You just need to create your own product or service, which is 1000x better than relying on unstable affiliate networks or other product owners who may scrub, not pay, etc. I know plenty of people making 6 figures monthly, they all own their own shit. Why even wait? Just take action yourself or start your own affiliate network or start your own thing.
And why so much of the focus on other people? 'Needs a few men not overtaken by estrogen?' Sounds like the beginning of a gay pr0n fantasy.
