Here I am, I want to make things right - RE: Shitlist BST sales disputes

[SethH]

Normally I wouldn't bother with this, but perhaps you're just really misguided and this an earnest attempt to make things right. Here's what I'd suggest you do to make the best of a bad situation:

1. Go through all those paypal disputes and refunds that have caused your negative balance and make a list of all the customers.

2. Contact each of them sincerely apologizing for the inconvenience and problems you've caused them and their businesses. (don't mention your own problems, nobody cares about that, their concern is rightfully themselves). Offer to give them the contact to your team manager for free, as you have lost the right to ask for any form of upfront payment based on the situation.

3. For those who accept, ask them, once your contractor's team has completed their work, if they are satisfied, if they'd be willing to cancel their disputes or pay for part/all of the original amount of their order. Don't demand a set amount, don't demand anything. Simply ask them to pay what they're comfortable, and if they're angry and want to hold a grudge then they can pay nothing.

If you do this you'll have done your supposedly excellent manager right by providing him work; you'll have provided some form of consolation for those you caused problems for by giving the runaround and failing to deliver services; your reputation will be slightly less tattered; and you'll likely have managed to reduce the hole in your PayPal account.

That's what I'd do in your place. It isn't perfect, but it's a hell of a lot better than what you're offering currently.

 

[Pheasant]

It's time content marketing had some transparency.

Companies are spending large amounts of money upfront for content in the hope that it turns into the media attention and traction they are looking for.

Right now content marketing has a big barrier to entry and practically zero accountability for providing an ROI.

It's time for a change. You as a customer want to know what you're getting into before you pay. You're willing to pay for results, not promises.

 

[greenleaves]

The negative balance is the customers. The customers would be the first thing paid.

The amount is immediately taken out of your account when a dispute is put in. So any money that goes in would go to that negative hole, I have no choice in that.

ITT, When lying to cover your ass, make sure not to contradict yourself in a matter of 5 min. It is likely that someone will notice.

I understand what you're saying, but that's not the point we're at, there are lots of disputes in the queue. There are lots of orders outstanding that are not disputed. Those are the ones I want to pay back or fulfill.

People who win the disputes won't lose anything. If anything, you should ask those who haven't disputed to do so. Then they get their money back. Then you can deal with paypal.

You are putting the onus of this situation on us, when it should fall on you.

 

[p0ck3taces]

Yeah, that is why I said, the first money goes to paying paypal. This is obvious. NOT CUSTOMERS. You argued this, saying that by covering negative you'd be paying customers. You won't. It is to cover yourself. You keep lying!

Then the next money goes to Jon. You said so yourself.

So customers are 3rd in line. Maybe 4th after paying your rent. Or 5th, depending on if you give priority to paying your debt to your providers (they are not 'your team' they are A TEAM you USE)

You can work, you're typing right now.

If you can't afford the BST thread, why not just set something up on odesk, textbroker, freelancer, etc? Hell even Fiverr will pay you, and for HONEST work. Not the shenanigans you are proposing here.

Why should WF care about what you did and how you did it?

The worst part is you keep trying to bullshit yourself and us by saying you are doing this to help your customers or your providers. STOP BULLSHITTING, stop lying, that is not making right. Get it?

I'm not in collections. I want to pay back currently active disputes and outstanding orders.

I don't have debts or rent, like I said, I'm at home. It's all to the customers. I'm not bullshitting.

You're right. I can type and I can do all those things to make money. Just like I can do this as well. These are all possible routes and I will try them all until the balance is paid.

I don't expect WF to give two shits about me. I think A) maybe some members here are interested in the offer, which would let me pay the customers back. and B) I know members here are interested in their members being scammed. And this thread was going to get opened by someone eventually. I wanted to be here to come forward myself. Not hide and let someone else open the scam thread.

 

[Future State]

I'm sure we have time for a few more dunces before the year is up.

 

[CCarter]

I don't want to argue with you, but that is just simply not true. I held that client by the hand with my personal number for just her single design even though she would not respond for weeks at a time.

LOL, yeah sure mate. Cause I get a kick out of spilling my business online. What you don't realize is I've sent you 5 other clients that have all come back with the same experience. If she tells me you are unresponsive, then you are unresponsive - Period. I don't need to hear anything further.

If she is magically the one anomaly of this whole situation where you held her hand - but every other single person I sent said otherwise, PLUS all the other complaints for months on end from the several Skype groups stating the same thing...

Just look at our past Skype conversations and notice all the times I tried to get in contact with you. Notice your unresponsiveness. If everyone is saying the same thing, yet you are viewing the situation differently - you might have a perception problem. It might be time to think long and hard about how you view the world versus how it actually works.

And just now magically I'm getting skype responses...
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[p0ck3taces]

Normally I wouldn't bother with this, but perhaps you're just really misguided and this an earnest attempt to make things right. Here's what I'd suggest you do to make the best of a bad situation:

1. Go through all those paypal disputes and refunds that have caused your negative balance and make a list of all the customers.

2. Contact each of them sincerely apologizing for the inconvenience and problems you've caused them and their businesses. (don't mention your own problems, nobody cares about that, their concern is rightfully themselves). Offer to give them the contact to your team manager for free, as you have lost the right to ask for any form of upfront payment based on the situation.

3. For those who accept, ask them, once your contractor's team has completed their work, if they are satisfied, if they'd be willing to cancel their disputes or pay for part/all of the original amount of their order. Don't demand a set amount, don't demand anything. Simply ask them to pay what they're comfortable, and if they're angry and want to hold a grudge then they can pay nothing.

If you do this you'll have done your supposedly excellent manager right by providing him work; you'll have provided some form of consolation for those you caused problems for by giving the runaround and failing to deliver services; your reputation will be slightly less tattered; and you'll likely have managed to reduce the hole in your PayPal account.

That's what I'd do in your place. It isn't perfect, but it's a hell of a lot better than what you're offering currently.

Thank you. But it seems like that would give away the sole bargaining tool I have left for earning money to pay people back..? I have to find a way to pay people back. I don't want to just email people saying sorry your money is gone and then force this contact on them as a way to amend it?

ITT, When lying to cover your ass, make sure not to contradict yourself in a matter of 5 min. It is likely that someone will notice.

It's not a contradiction. It's what happens. A dispute automatically puts the account negative. An active dispute. Not a won dispute. Just the moment it's activated. Paypal hasn't paid back customers. These are active disputes and outstanding orders I'm talking about.

So from the sounds of it, paypal will just pay all these customers back out of their pocket and then leave a negative amount to come after me for?

I have tried to click refund or award the disputes but Paypal says I can't do so because I don't have the money. At the end of the dispute time will paypal just automatically decide in their favor, pay out of their own pocket and then leave a negative amount for me to pay. Would this work the same with a negative account? I could keep telling customers to raise the disputes to a claim and Paypal would continue awarding them the money out of their pocket even on a far negative account?

If that's the case then yea, threads over. There will have to be a ton more refunds than there needed to be with all current outstanding orders having to be refunded this way. But yea, that's on me. I thought people wouldn't get their money back until I paid Paypal.

 

[p0ck3taces]

Just look at our past Skype conversations and notice all the times I tried to get in contact with you. Notice your unresponsiveness. If everyone is saying the same thing, yet you are viewing the situation differently - you might have a perception problem. It might be time to think long and hard about how you view the world versus how it actually works.

And just now magically I'm getting skype responses...
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I have never had a need to respond to you. You have never been a customer of mine.

 

[greenleaves]

I want to pay back currently active disputes

Those disputes are going to win. They are going to get paid. You don't have to do anything. Your balance will simply go further into negative.

You're right. I can type and I can do all those things to make money. Just like I can do this as well.

Except this is a scammy, lowlife move where you are trying to shake people down for shit that you should not be shaking people down for, let alone at the price you want and with a free promotional thread. Basically, you want money but don't want to work for it or provide value. You just want to sell the contact info of people who need work and whom you owe money to. You should be GIVING away their info to your clients... for free!

The ideas I posted involve providing value in exchange for currency, which is generally hard work. So you chose this, the low life route. Congrats, you have made many people's 'persona non grata' list.

 

[MadMaxNine]

-- PAGING SuddenlyAss , PAGING SuddenlyAss --

 

[p0ck3taces]

Except this is a scammy, lowlife move where you are trying to shake people down for shit that you should not be shaking people down for, let alone at the price you want and with a free promotional thread. Basically, you want money but don't want to work for it or provide value. You just want to sell the contact info of people who need work and whom you owe money to. You should be GIVING away their info to your clients... for free!

The ideas I posted involve providing value in exchange for currency, which is generally hard work. So you chose this, the low life route. Congrats, you have made many people's 'persona non grata' list.

A contact to a team who can write articles at $1.00 100 words at the quality of $10 100 words and can scale as needed. This would be of no value to anyone to have this resource? (this isn't my resource obviously, just making an analogy). This is a value I have and it is a way I can earn the money back. It's the same as people who sell trained VA's or anything else.

 

[Future State]

From the Scammer's Thread in the BST, about Ben Eddy aka P0ck3taces

p0ck3taces - I believe you know this guy as he's a reputable member here. However I feel I were scam by him. I've made an order to one of his services. The turnaround was 6 days. Today 20 days left. He doesn't answering my PMS. What should I do? Start a dispute on PayPal or there is anything else I can do?

Same here
Bought an infographic creation service from p0ck3taces - delivered ok.
Then bought distribution package for $100 - and the guy simply disappears.
Doesn't reply on basecamp, nor to my PM here on WF

I had to create a paypal dispute for the payment. I guess Paypal will refund the money, but now we're stuck with an infographic but without the distribution.

This really sucks.

edit: he's been unresponsive for 1 month now.

Have you heard back from him yet? I placed an order on the 20th and no word yet.

Edit: He just refunded me as he no longer offers the services. All is good!

Well I got a refund from gaypal
Never heard from p0ck3taces though. The guy vanished.

(ps anyone can recommend an alternative BST for infographics distribution?)

Have multiple orders pending delivery with p0ck3taces and he has become unresponsive on Skype, PM, and Basecamp. He has always delivered or issued a refund in the past, but in light of the remarks from other buyers here on WF, I am now somewhat concerned with this recent lapse in communication.

Ben, if you read this, drop me a line and let me know what's up with my orders.

Edit 6-23-14: No response from seller via any of the aforementioned communication channels. It has been weeks since the last communication. Will be disputing roughly 15 undelivered or partially-delivered orders. In the seller's defense, his company has, in the past, either delivered or issued a refund and while the communication was often intermittent and slow, the quality of the products were typically on par with expectations.

Update on my concern with p0ck3taces:

I have received no reply from p0ck3taces regarding unfulfilled orders. Subsequently, I have filed dispute claims with my bank and PayPal. Some of the orders that have yet to be delivered were outside of the 60 day window of protection that my bank offers, leaving over $500 USD in losses that I'll probably never see again... unless p0ck3taces magically reappears to issue a refund.

At least you were sending SOME refunds.

But as I said, and CCarter corroborated, you disappeared from October until February too.

What's your excuse for that 5 month lapse then? Did everyone get their money back or do you only take action once things hit a critical level?

And look, idiot. Nobody wants to buy your business for $500. This isn't a liquidation event. This is you owing a lot of people a lot of money, and not just the ones who spoke up about it. We can safely assume there's at least 5x the amount of people you owe.

Nobody cares about your next con. They don't want your fucking blood money. They want clean money from the clear and they want it now. Get your little chubby fingers typing on Textbroker and pay these people back.

AND I'll go ahead and say that I know in February when you finally recovered from your last disappearing act that you delivered the most idiotic, childish, plain, and amateur infographics I've ever seen to some of them.

So let's not pretend that quality didn't suffer and you didn't reach out to Fiverr then. So you can take your funky ass to Fiverr now and start scrounging up everyone's money. Nobody gives a fuck about your retorts and excuses in this thread. Get to it.

EDIT:

But it seems like that would give away the sole bargaining tool I have left for earning money to pay people back..?

So you admit you have no intentions of doing the right thing. You want to skeez your way into $500 x ??? to pay off Paypal before shit gets real. You're a real piece of work. Maybe you'll get a chance to be on some other reality TV soap opera and be able to pay Paypal off. Keep dreaming, dickweed.

 

[CCarter]

I have never had a need to respond to you. You have never been a customer of mine.

Are you serious right now? Now I gotta open up my business to the world, thanks mate.

I have never had a need to respond to you. You have never been a customer of mine.

I have never had a need to respond to you. You have never been a customer of mine.

[11/18/13, 7:28:06 PM] CCarter: (Y) Cool, just got off the phone with her. I'd appreciate it if you don't discuss my involvement with anyone. I don't want people knowing the projects I'm behind. If you need anything let me know, I'm always here, but she's handles that side of the house.

[11/18/13, 7:29:29 PM] p0ck3taces / WF: Of course.

[11/18/13, 7:34:02 PM] CCarter: (Y)

[12/14/13, 1:36:03 PM] CCarter: http://www.wickedfire.com/links-seo...-scammers-get-posted-here-34.html#post2142938

[1/3/14, 9:59:06 AM] CCarter: You around dude?

[1/3/14, 1:11:40 PM] p0ck3taces / WF: yes, what's up?

[6/25/14, 2:50:24 PM] CCarter: http://www.wickedfire.com/links-seo...-scammers-get-posted-here-35.html#post2194616

I have never had a need to respond to you. You have never been a customer of mine.

The one time you decide to respond to me shit was already resolved. I don't have time to play around with back and forth with delayed skype messages until you figure out how to solve the problem. I don't bother responding when people show no respect.

I have never had a need to respond to you. You have never been a customer of mine.

You see, this is the perception thing I am referring to. It's clear you aren't aware of reality.
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[p0ck3taces]

From the Scammer's Thread in the BST, about Ben Eddy aka P0ck3taces

At least you were sending SOME refunds.

Yep, all correct. Like I said, I've been being unresponsive.

But as I said, and CCarter corroborated, you disappeared from October until February too.

What's your excuse for that 5 month lapse then? Did everyone get their money back or do you only take action once things hit a critical level?

It's easy in this situation to exaggerate against me. I did not dissappear. My turnaround times and responses did SLOW. But I never dissappeared. I refunded all customers who asked during that time and came through on all other orders.

And look, idiot. Nobody wants to buy your business for $500. This isn't a liquidation event. This is you owing a lot of people a lot of money, and not just the ones who spoke up about it. We can safely assume there's at least 5x the amount of people you owe.

Nobody cares about your next con. They don't want your fucking blood money. They want clean money from the clear and they want it now. Get your little chubby fingers typing on Textbroker and pay these people back.

It's for a contact. It's a resource. But now that I know paypal just awards the dispute and pays the customer out of their own pocket, it's done. It's not for sale, thread over and customers will be getting their money back through paypal disputes.

So let's not pretend that quality didn't suffer and you didn't reach out to Fiverr then. So you can take your funky ass to Fiverr now and start scrounging up everyone's money. Nobody gives a fuck about your retorts and excuses in this thread. Get to it.

Ok sure, good luck finding someone on fiverr who can do infographics.

So you admit you have no intentions of doing the right thing. You want to skeez your way into $500 x ??? to pay off Paypal before shit gets real. You're a real piece of work. Maybe you'll get a chance to be on some other reality TV soap opera and be able to pay Paypal off. Keep dreaming, dickweed.

I admit I thought I needed money in my paypal account in order to pay people back. I did not know these disputes would eventually go through and paypal would just take it out of their pocket to pay customers. Now that I know this, yea it's on me, nothing is for sale, I'll eat the negative. Customers will get their money back through paypal. I didn't know. I thought I needed a way to earn the money so I could pay them back.

 

[potentialeight]

A few years ago, I was in a situation where I let a lot of people down who were clients of mine by effectively disappearing for about three weeks and getting really behind on my work. Instead of it being because I was busy with an opportunity with my hobby, it was because my ex tried to kill me and then kill herself after years of trying to work through her recovery from some serious mental illness issues.

I didn't handle the aftermath very well, and I alienated every one of my main clients because I kept taking work that I knew I wouldn't be able to catch up to. In the depression and general clusterfuck that came after what happened with my personal situation, I could have at least let them know that I had a backlog I needed to take care of and that I would be available for more stuff in the near future. It took me a while to get back to having the level of clients that I did at that point.

Earlier this year, I started having some medical problems of my own that were seriously cutting into my ability to get shit done. Thankfully, I was able to learn from my previous mistakes because I handled my clients in a much better way. Those problems have been cleared up, and I didn't have to lose a majority of my work and seriously damage my reputation in the process.

If you do the same shit over and over when it comes to not being reliable for people, they will shit on you and replace you in a heartbeat because you're fucking with their time and their money. Then they will make sure that everyone they know knows that you're unreliable, and when you have that kind of reputation, you might as well create a whole new online identity and start over from scratch because you're fucked.

Also the Rickson by armbar and Peruvian necktie tags are absolutely brilliant, and I would give +rep to whoever posted them.

 

[p0ck3taces]

Did you order from me CCarter?

 

[Pheasant]

Alright, alright, alright...
I've heard enough.

I'll buy the business.

 

[jstover77]

Not only does this irk me because you owe me $500 (this may cost me my biggest account if not rectified shortly), but I hate when people are completely irresponsible with their business like this. You had to see this coming months ago. You had to know shit was eventually going to hit the fan. The only thing that doesn't make you a total scum bag is, at least you are facing the music and trying to come up with a solution.

That being said, I will offer you a solution. I have never sold a BST here, but I have sold many different services over at BHW. Here is what I will offer you. You give me your contacts and help me get the service up and going. I will start a BST here and over at BHW. I will take 50% of all profits and pay back all customers you owe money too. After that you can ride off into the sunset with a clear conscious.

Stipulations:
- amount owed can't be something ridiculous

You have my contact info.

 

[p0ck3taces]

A few years ago, I was in a situation where I let a lot of people down who were clients of mine by effectively disappearing for about three weeks and getting really behind on my work. Instead of it being because I was busy with an opportunity with my hobby, it was because my ex tried to kill me and then kill herself after years of trying to work through her recovery from some serious mental illness issues.

I didn't handle the aftermath very well, and I alienated every one of my main clients because I kept taking work that I knew I wouldn't be able to catch up to. In the depression and general clusterfuck that came after what happened with my personal situation, I could have at least let them know that I had a backlog I needed to take care of and that I would be available for more stuff in the near future. It took me a while to get back to having the level of clients that I did at that point.

Earlier this year, I started having some medical problems of my own that were seriously cutting into my ability to get shit done. Thankfully, I was able to learn from my previous mistakes because I handled my clients in a much better way. Those problems have been cleared up, and I didn't have to lose a majority of my work and seriously damage my reputation in the process.

If you do the same shit over and over when it comes to not being reliable for people, they will shit on you and replace you in a heartbeat because you're fucking with their time and their money. Then they will make sure that everyone they know knows that you're unreliable, and when you have that kind of reputation, you might as well create a whole new online identity and start over from scratch because you're fucked.

All true. Thanks for sharing the story. It's my fault. I'm not making excuses and I understand the response.

Also the Rickson by armbar and Peruvian necktie tags are absolutely brilliant, and I would give +rep to whoever posted them.

That they are.

 

[CCarter]

Did you order from me CCarter?

Perception mate... I literally just showed you proof. You want to see my name on the business accounts and business paperwork too? You see, it's all about perception, it's clear you are NOT seeing reality. If I give you my business partner to work on OUR BUSINESS - That LITERALLY MEANS YOU ARE DOING BUSINESS WITH ME... You can't be this dense...

It's literally impossible for you to be this dense...
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