DP-style Review Plz with extortion twist

bb_wolfe said:
My .02, but if you restricted the BST section to people who only have 20+ posts and positive rep and positive iTrader, you'd get rid of a lot of the bullshit.

I personally think the BST section should be for contributing members, not any old vendor. If we want a vendor section, make it separate from BST and throw a $20/post fee on it. That keeps BST for legitimate, trustworthy vendors and puts a reasonable barrier to entry on the vendor section.
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Restrict thread starters or restrict everyone? What about the people that get neg rep for no reason? And how do you get a positive iTrader if you can't get in the BST section?

But if you're talking about just restricting the thread starters, then nevermind.
 


irideflatland said:
Restrict thread starters or restrict everyone? What about the people that get neg rep for no reason? And how do you get a positive iTrader if you can't get in the BST section?

But if you're talking about just restricting the thread starters, then nevermind.
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That's my idea, neg rep, you're fucking out.

Itrader that's not - means <=0
 
I really like the BST section. Sure it has its issues, but I think there couldn't be a better system right now.

Only 1 out of 10 service providers are worth something, so it would be a shame to loose that small percentage because of restrictions of Itrader/rep.

The mods do a great job, and I've gotten some good business done from noobs in the BTS section.
 
Must agree with a greenleaves and Trademark. The section works well on the whole, and more regulation is Not whats needed however the odd occasional moron, ( ttime) does need to get slapped and hard.

A dedicated mod could work....

 
The BST section is a mudpit full of turds and very few diamonds. There is nothing wrong with a free-for-all vendor section, but BST should be reserved for contributing WF members, not any old DP fuckhead or one post content writer who thinks they can scrap a few dollars off the WF noobs.

BST - Top quality services and products
Vendor - Anything goes
 
The BST section is a mudpit full of turds and very few diamonds. There is nothing wrong with a free-for-all vendor section, but BST should be reserved for contributing WF members, not any old DP fuckhead or one post content writer who thinks they can scrap a few dollars off the WF noobs.

BST - Top quality services and products
Vendor - Anything goes
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Agreed and a great solution for anyone as it builds confidence for buyers and gives sellers that are respected value back

While all others still have enough freedom to "rock and troll" in the vendor section
 
I know I'm LTTP, but I hate the whole trend of constantly demanding review copies. I'm a newb and I have no problem giving out reviews at first to prove myself, but even after they're gone, I'm still getting PMs from nobodies with condescending attitudes (ttime being one of them) demanding free work. That shit is fucking annoying and this whole sense of entitlement is ridiculous.

I don't know how seperating BST and a general Vendor section would play out. I'd think if that other section is "everything goes", it might cheapen the forums, although having a section strictly for the cream of the crop would definitely alleviate concerns for buyers.

I don't think there should be any discrimination against those with low rep/iTrader since some newbs do offer some good quality stuff. Maybe closer moderation might help a LOT.
 
I don't think there should be any discrimination against those with low rep/iTrader since some newbs do offer some good quality stuff. Maybe closer moderation might help a LOT.
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when they prove themselves they can go to the real B/S/T after a mod approving them
untill then they stay in the vendor section

btw I vote for BB_Wolfe becoming moderator of bst/vendor section
 
People should ask for review copies. And if the vendor says no then that should be that. It does, however, bug the crap out of me when vendors don't give review copies and no one buys their shit and then they keep doing the Bueller thread bumping, "Anyone?, Anyone?" and i reserve the right to tell them that their being idiots and they should offer a review copy or gtfo. But, yeah, as guerilla said, if they want to be their own worst douchebag, I guess we should let them.
 
guerilla said:
You ever sell anything in the marketplace Turbo?
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As an independent? (not inculding working the 9-5?) Hell no. There's no way in hell I would want my livelyhood to depend on a direct relationship with the customers.
 
I disagree that people are their own worst douchebags for not giving reviews. Some of the more successful $150+ per service/good dealers on this board, many haven't gone the review route.

It is incorrect to assume that a review copy of a $200 link service is the same as a review copy of a $15 service.

Most of the people asking for reviews on big ticket items, can't afford them. It's strictly asking for a handout.
 
I disagree with your disagree.

First I wasn't saying they were there own worst douchebag for not giving out reviews per se I was referring to the threads where they keep bumping it and no responds. (perhaps this would be a good time for that review copy then???)

Second every service doesn't need a review. Sometimes the sheer awsomeness of the product/service is enough. Or perhaps it's from an established member. But I would say the majority of BST is from members who at least start with little to no posts and no credit. IMO it's just stupid to not start out with a review.

That being said I agree that the attitude of members should change. The throwing-fits-like-my-1-year-old when the vendor opts out of doing a review copy or even worse when the vendor doesn't pick the troll throwing the fit, is about done in my book.
 
Personally I think the best way to get rid of all the shit in the BST section is to make anyone who wants to post something pay $10 and also have to get their product/service reviewed by the mod of the BST section.

I came here with no posts, no itrader, etc but I have still made thousands working a few hours a day with some really cool people here.

I think the people who offer the best services here will gladly pay the fee because they know their different and they know they have something worth offering.

The majority of the people posting in that section that offer shit simply won't pay the $10 fee.

Just my 0.2 cents...

Eric

P.S- Another great idea, if you can do it, is to simply say to have your thread going in the BST section you must pay $20 every month. Simply have it on a membership platform and charge whatever you want.

Recurring monies...
 
I partially agree with the idea here. I think the ideal solution would be to have a formalized review copy system - extra coding work for sure, but a poster in B/S/T could fill out a form while posting the thread that said they'd offer X review copies. Users could then request review copies along with posts by checking a box ("I'd be willing to review this product" or whatever).

Thread owner grants review copies as desired.

The caveat here is that only users >20 posts, or only users with +iTrader or whatever could request review copies and actually be granted them.

I hate the idea of a dedicated BST moderator. If we were going to do that though, it'd have to be someone who isn't selling a product in a competitive market - i.e., it could definitely not be Nick, or Amit; the two people who seem most suited for the job.

Changing the culture would be better. I'm not going to stop offering review copies of my products unless I'm told I have to, but it'd definitely be great to stop all the "LOL CAN I HAZ FREE STUFF" crowd.

Perhaps a formalized review process - where a number of users volunteer to be the review team, users who have the time to actually review a set of products (moderators included), and some sort of UI for that usergroup to select products they'd like to review (and some sort of system to ensure everything does get reviewed).
 
At the risk of sounding redundant...

I vote for leaving things as they are. The BST forum is not perfect, but it works well. Here are the issues (as I see them) and solutions:

Problem #1: Members harassing vendors for free review copies.

Solution: Asking is fine. If requests turn to harassment, existing moderators or members should tell the harassers to "cool it."

It's subjective. Each person will have a different tolerance level. But, we place a lot of trust and faith in each other. That's the way communities should operate. Could you imagine someone relentlessly harassing Amit for a free copy of his established services? Who here would not be willing to confront the harasser?

As for new vendors, the decision to give free review copies should be left entirely to them. When I first began selling my services in the BST forum, I did not offer review copies. Members tolerated my thread and I did well. Few, if any, harassed me.

Problem #2: Members running to moderators because vendors refuse to give free review copies.

Solution: Existing moderators should ignore members' requests to get involved.


Rules sound good on paper. But, they always carry unintended consequences. I suspect that's how DP evolved into such a draconian community. The rules they established must have seemed reasonable in the beginning.

Again, I vote for leaving things as they are in the BST forum. The harassment of vendors should be discouraged. The requests for moderator intervention should be ignored. Other than that, the "Wild West" nature of the forum is what makes it so unique and fluid.
 
Problem I have is the low quality of many vendors. Used to be that WFers sold the shit they themselves build and that they used themselves, more of a way to get some money back out in BST. Some of the vendors now are just fucking terrible service providers. It's scammy, it's cheap, and it reeks of noobishness.

Why can't we implement some sort of quality score with all vendors?

No idea how it would work, but wfers can rate the post, rate if it's scammy, a good deal, something already done to extremes (writers... )
 
As a vendor, I have to say, that giving review copies help a lot, even though "the reviewer" posts 2-3 stupid sentences.

I don't support giving free designs as a designer. I think it doesnt worth what I get compare to what I give.

But things works so in the forum.
 
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