CNN, Dr. Sanjay Gupta admits to being wrong about weed.

This happened within days after her decision to quit smoking weed altogether. The result was psychiatric disorder, owing allegiance to hallucination of a kind, which the doctor believed was caused by the absence of weed in her system, all of a sudden.

To put it in milder terms, her nerves were so used to having weed that the sudden absence of it caused them to send out conflicting signals, which lead to hallucination, that resulted in psychiatric disorder, bordering on insanity.

have trouble believing this
 


Setting the stage to roll this out for the next president to campaign on. The .gov is having a severe image problem. One way to get people to forget about all the tyranny they are under is to drug them. Say what you want about weed. People will gladly trade weed for privacy.

The problem is even if they legalize; weed won't be decriminalized. There is no chance it will be rolled out restriction free. They will still put black people in a cage for having it.
 
This happened within days after her decision to quit smoking weed altogether. The result was psychiatric disorder, owing allegiance to hallucination of a kind, which the doctor believed was caused by the absence of weed in her system, all of a sudden.

To put it in milder terms, her nerves were so used to having weed that the sudden absence of it caused them to send out conflicting signals, which lead to hallucination, that resulted in psychiatric disorder, bordering on insanity.

Something tells me she was doing more than just smoking weed. How do you know that she wasn't doing anything else? How do you know she wasn't smoking speed or crack? there's no way a dr. can make that determination that what happened to her was from weed unless she told the dr. that's all she did. She might have told you guys that all she did since it wouldn't sound as serious to just say she was smoking weed instead of smoking speed for example. Did you guys drug test her? Even then, most other drugs are easily out of the system or masked weed stays in your system the longest.

You say she was smoking weed 14 hrs. a day does she have a job? how is she smoking that much? is she growing her own? if she's smoking the good shit she shouldn't need to smoke that much. if it was good shit, and she wasn't growing her own, then that's an expensive habit, how was she affording it? next you're going to tell me, she was sucking dick for weed? it sounds like she has more serious problems, she sounds like she has an addictive personality, where she wasn't smoking just for fun or socially. did something bad happen in her life when she started and she's using weed as an excuse to rebel or try and use as a crutch because her life is messed up? normal people who smoke weed don't end up like that.

i mean mcdonald's kills a lot of people, fast food is very bad for people, there's people who have problems eating unhealthy food in excess all their life, they can die from high cholestrol, clogged arteries, diabetic complications, the list goes on and on but, you don't see people trying to make mcdonalds illegal because everybody knows nobody's putting a gun to their head, these dumbasses make bad decisions and that's on them.
 
Let's kick some life into this discussion. First, 3 quick axioms so we can start from the same place:

1. You are fine with folks smoking if their doing so doesn't violate another person's property.

2. You are also a critic of criminalizing the use of marijuana.

3. You abhor the fact that a person can lose his freedom, property, and life for smoking a plant.

So far, so good?*

Great! Now, let's suppose cops attempt to arrest a man who is smoking. The man resists and is killed during the struggle. Who should be held responsible for the man's death?

The man for breaking the law (a law you consider to be wrongheaded in the first place)?

The cops who were merely doing their jobs?

The cops' captain who was likely taking orders from the chief?

The police chief who is driven to please those above him?

The mayor?

The governor?

The state representatives?

The president?

Big pharma?

Prison lobbyists?

If you had to assign responsibility for the victim's death, to whom would you assign it? How would you explain your position?


* If you disagree with any of the 3 axioms I've listed, please feel free to ignore this post.
 
Something tells me she was doing more than just smoking weed. How do you know that she wasn't doing anything else? How do you know she wasn't smoking speed or crack? there's no way a dr. can make that determination that what happened to her was from weed unless she told the dr. that's all she did. She might have told you guys that all she did since it wouldn't sound as serious to just say she was smoking weed instead of smoking speed for example. Did you guys drug test her? Even then, most other drugs are easily out of the system or masked weed stays in your system the longest.

You say she was smoking weed 14 hrs. a day does she have a job? how is she smoking that much? is she growing her own? if she's smoking the good shit she shouldn't need to smoke that much. if it was good shit, and she wasn't growing her own, then that's an expensive habit, how was she affording it? next you're going to tell me, she was sucking dick for weed? it sounds like she has more serious problems, she sounds like she has an addictive personality, where she wasn't smoking just for fun or socially. did something bad happen in her life when she started and she's using weed as an excuse to rebel or try and use as a crutch because her life is messed up? normal people who smoke weed don't end up like that.

i mean mcdonald's kills a lot of people, fast food is very bad for people, there's people who have problems eating unhealthy food in excess all their life, they can die from high cholestrol, clogged arteries, diabetic complications, the list goes on and on but, you don't see people trying to make mcdonalds illegal because everybody knows nobody's putting a gun to their head, these dumbasses make bad decisions and that's on them.

Right. It's dumbness in her case.

Not having a set goal in life, elusive parental care and affection, and access to infinite amount of money is the perfect recipe for disaster.

Although it was a combination of all three in her case, I think any pair from all of the possible scenarios above would lead someone to become an 'addict' in no time, which may or may not result in them becoming complete imbeciles, needing help, rehab, and so on.
 
Right. It's dumbness in her case.

Not having a set goal in life, elusive parental care and affection, and access to infinite amount of money is the perfect recipe for disaster.

Although it was a combination of all three in her case, I think any pair from all of the possible scenarios above would lead someone to become an 'addict' in no time, which may or may not result in them becoming complete imbeciles, needing help, rehab, and so on.

Lol. This is like fat people giving fitness tips - stop talking.

Noone is that mentally weak that after smoking excessive pot for 12 months - would start hallucinating and shit. She was on other drugs or had some serious issues in the beginning. Especially if she "had infinite access to money". Those kids are the kids everyone talks about when they speak of "weed being a gateway drug".

Close friends smoke for 3-4 years now. An ounce or more a week per person of dispensary pot [which means it was several times more potent than whatever street stuff your friend was "smoking exclusively with no other drugs"], which is enough to be high throughout the day even for someone who has smoked for years. When they quit individually for short periods of time to give lungs a rest - they have no motivation and a shitty mood for a several weeks. They don't hallucinate. Nobody fucking hallucinates from pot withdrawal, what the fuck is that shit.

Go start another "court" thread. You don't know what you're talking about and your friend was using much more than pot.
 
Let's kick some life into this discussion. First, 3 quick axioms so we can start from the same place:

1. You are fine with folks smoking if their doing so doesn't violate another person's property.

2. You are also a critic of criminalizing the use of marijuana.

3. You abhor the fact that a person can lose his freedom, property, and life for smoking a plant.

So far, so good?*

Great! Now, let's suppose cops attempt to arrest a man who is smoking. The man resists and is killed during the struggle. Who should be held responsible for the man's death?

The man for breaking the law (a law you consider to be wrongheaded in the first place)?

The cops who were merely doing their jobs?

If you had to assign responsibility for the victim's death, to whom would you assign it? How would you explain your position?

The cop's at fault, he was the one that was there directly in that situation whose actions resulted in the death of a peaceful individual. "merely doing their job" or "just following orders" is no replacement for morality. Being consistent with Godwin's law, I'll point to the Nazi soldiers who were just "merely doing their job"
 
Lol. This is like fat people giving fitness tips - stop talking.

Noone is that mentally weak that after smoking excessive pot for 12 months - would start hallucinating and shit. She was on other drugs or had some serious issues in the beginning. Especially if she "had infinite access to money". Those kids are the kids everyone talks about when they speak of "weed being a gateway drug".

Close friends smoke for 3-4 years now. An ounce or more a week per person of dispensary pot [which means it was several times more potent than whatever street stuff your friend was "smoking exclusively with no other drugs"], which is enough to be high throughout the day even for someone who has smoked for years. When they quit individually for short periods of time to give lungs a rest - they have no motivation and a shitty mood for a several weeks. They don't hallucinate. Nobody fucking hallucinates from pot withdrawal, what the fuck is that shit.

Go start another "court" thread. You don't know what you're talking about and your friend was using much more than pot.

A friend of mine smokes weed continuously (meaning anytime the high wears off, he takes another hit). He is very much into the culture and healing side of marijuana. Rick simpson oil etc. After much goading, I convinced him to prove he could go a month without smoking.

He had severe nightmares most nights, even waking up uncontrollably crying sometimes. He was also a completely different person during the day. It wasn't simply feeling lethargic.

This experience woke him up a bit to his dependence, but he is still a regular smoker today.

Different people have different reactions. Try not to generalize about things you only have a couple anecdotal reference points to work off of.
 
"A person I know" (not me, but just would rather not say their relation) smokes weed continuously (meaning anytime the high wears off, he takes another hit). He is very much into the culture and healing side of marijuana. Rick simpson oil etc. After much goading, I convinced him to prove he could go a month without smoking.

He had severe nightmares most nights, even waking up uncontrollably crying sometimes. He was also a completely different person during the day. It wasn't simply feeling lethargic.

This experience woke him up a bit to his dependence, but he is still a regular smoker today.

Different people have different reactions. Try not to generalize about things you only have a couple anecdotal reference points to work off of.

Nightmares I can believe. Something like that is possible.

But nobody hallucinates as a withdrawal effect from pot. That's like saying fat people who start eating veggies hallucinate cake.

That's pretty much my only point. Which is kind of a major one when the guy makes a statement that'll lead people to believe that they'll "hallucinate" and hit close to insanity if they start and stop, or are already doing it and will stop one day.
 
Weed does NOT cause those types of withdrawal symptoms by itself. Read the fucking literature and the studies. Anyone who has severe withdrawal symptoms like hallucinations and severe nightmares has other serious mental issues.
 
A friend of mine smokes weed continuously (meaning anytime the high wears off, he takes another hit). He is very much into the culture and healing side of marijuana. Rick simpson oil etc. After much goading, I convinced him to prove he could go a month without smoking.

He had severe nightmares most nights, even waking up uncontrollably crying sometimes. He was also a completely different person during the day. It wasn't simply feeling lethargic.

This experience woke him up a bit to his dependence, but he is still a regular smoker today.

Different people have different reactions. Try not to generalize about things you only have a couple anecdotal reference points to work off of.

Nightmares I can believe. Something like that is possible.

But nobody hallucinates as a withdrawal effect from pot. That's like saying fat people who start eating veggies hallucinate cake.

That's pretty much my only point. Which is kind of a major one when the guy makes a statement that'll lead people to believe that they'll "hallucinate" and hit close to insanity if they start and stop, or are already doing it and will stop one day.

Weed does NOT cause those types of withdrawal symptoms by itself. Read the fucking literature and the studies. Anyone who has severe withdrawal symptoms like hallucinations and severe nightmares has other serious mental issues.


You guys fail to realize that most any substance that a human ingests or inhales over long periods of time, and then stops will cause all sorts of SHORT TERM symptoms as the body readjusts.

It's not the weed itself. It's the body readjusting, and everyone experiences that differently.

Look at what people go through when they quit:
- Sugar
- Caffeine
- Tobacco

They also make people have nightmares, vomit, night time sweats, super-pissy and aggravated, not motivated, and other symptoms that are associated with quitting weed after a long period of usage. Everyone is different and what some of you think of "smoking every day" is probably sometimes actually <50% what others smoke every day.

If you smoke daily but start at 4pm then that's night and day different from someone who wakes up and smokes until they sleep. When you both quit after the same # of years symptoms will be different.

I don't believe the hallucinating one bit. Maybe she had other nutrient deficiencies... I've felt like that from sodium deficiency, and also from too low of carb diet after prolonged time too. She sounds like she was depressed, and couldn't deal with her own life and weed had nothing to do with it except helped her cope.
 
Don't be a tard... you should know well enough that demographics don't cause everything. The trends I'm talking about just drive our economy and impact our political system in some ways.

The 2008 crash was caused by the baby boomer generation passing peak spending age. There will be another crash in real estate and stocks around 2022-2024. That's when the echo-boom after the baby boomer generation hits the same age as the baby boomers did in 2008.

"It is no crime to be ignorant of economics, which is, after all, a specialized discipline and one that most people consider to be a 'dismal science.' But it is totally irresponsible to have a loud and vociferous opinion on economic subjects while remaining in this state of ignorance."
 
Use of it as a drug for medical purposes is just fine. Overuse of it in itself is an abuse to your right to a normal life.

People in Greece generally prefer to booze and have a easy life, devoid of work. This common apathy for work is believed to have led the country to bankruptcy.

You have the IQ of a stone. I would say read the above Rothbard quote, but it's a waste of time.

Here, we have a saying which goes "No busces donde no hay" , what basically means "Don't search where there is nothing". I don't know how some of you guys even found the internet.
 
The "War on Drugs"
The "War on Terror"

One day people will just fucking grow up.
I don't see it happening in my lifetime though :(
 
Guys this doctor is wrong. I just watched a documentary made back in the 20's called Refer madness. Weed is really bad and makes people go crazy!

Just look at this guy from the movie:

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There are soldiers who use weed to help with PTSD, and kids who use it to control their epilepsy/seizures and as soon as they stop their seizures come back. I know one soldier who suffers from PTSD and after he stops for more than a few days his flashbacks and nightmares come back. So hallucinating due to stopping weed is entirely possible but maybe not because it's a "withdrawal" but instead a lack of "medication" to control the underlying issue causing the hallucinations in the first place?